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Lowetide
June 13 2014 08:52PM

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There's a big trade Oilers fans can see coming from a mile away. It may not happen, but the genesis of the deal came at the NHL draft one year ago. Will we see this deal go down one year later?

I'm not going to spend too much time discussing last season's rumors (Edmonton and Philadelphia were clearly talking up to and through the draft), but there's plenty to talk about this summer. First, the draft itself is in Philadelphia, and teams traditionally make a splash to excite the hometown fanbase.

Second, these teams match up so bloody well it's crazy.

  • Example: The Flyers, who have almost no cap space, signed Kimmo Timonen today. Why? Because they had to, there was very little choice. Despite being 900 years old, Timonen can play the game. 

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Timonen is still facing tough competition deep into his 30's and his blue bubble in the Vollman Sledgehammer tells us good things are happening. Also notice Braydon Coburn: lighter (less effective) blue bubble, tougher zone starts and the toughest opposition available. That's a nice season, and a strong recovery from one year ago (Coburn struggled last season). Flyers had to make today's move.

  • Example: In that article, Tim Panaccio says "the Flyers are light years behind a number of NHL Stanley Cup contenders in terms of young, agile defensemen, and they desperately need to get faster on the back end."

Hmm. Braydon Coburn makes $4.5M this coming season and 2015-16 before entering free agency. The Oilers have loads of young agile defensemen, and can take on cap dollars.

Is there a deal there? I think there is. Which defenseman heads out of town? You tell me.

THAT'S NOT ALL...

Let's say the Oilers trade a young defenseman for Braydon Coburn. That's not the only match. Among the things Edmonton would find attractive on the Flyers roster:

  • Braydon Coburn
  • young center like Sean Couturier or Brayden Schenn
  • Luke Schenn (for the shutdown role)
  • Wayne Simmonds
  • Scott Hartnell

That's a lot. And if you look the other way, there's another impressive list of Oilers the Flyers might see as options:

  • Martin Marincin
  • Oscar Klefbom
  • 3rd overall selection
  • Jordan Eberle
  • David Perron

IS THERE A DEAL?

No one wants to trade Marincin, and no one wants to trade No. 3 overall, but the Oilers and Flyers match up. Agile defensemen, cap dollars and a draft day splash could mean Edmonton does some one-stop shopping in Philadelphia later this month.

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#101 Bucknuck
June 14 2014, 04:31PM
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They better not be trading Marincin. The kid is gold. best rookie defense I have seen in an Oilers uniform in forever.

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#102 Quicksilver ballet
June 14 2014, 04:54PM
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Zarny wrote:

A) Holmgren wouldn't be making that deal this year; Hextall would. He's the GM now.

B) Let's see...pay a proven top pairing D like Coburn $4.5M or pay Jeff Petry ~ $4-4.5M.

If you think a top pairing D making $4.5M is a salary dump you haven't been paying attention.

Don't fool yourself into thinking Hextall is in charge, he's no better than rookie GM Tambellini was here during his time. POHO still holds that sledgehammer thingy you refer to. Ron has rubbed the Oilers face in it during this never ending rebuild thing they got going on. This will be a deal with Holmgren if the Oilers are desperate enough, not Hextall.

Let's see, Flyers supposed best D'man, and they're anxious to get rid of him. Why is that, a competent person should ask himself. He can't be that good if the Flyers were first round road kill with him in the line up. If he's no longer good enough for Philly, he's not good enough for Edmonton, unless they're going to do that whole beggars can't be choosers song and dance. The Flyers are trying to rebuild their whole back end on the fly. Even Edmonton should be able to see that and reject their refuse, unless there's a sweetener (Couturier) thrown in. Coburn will be gone in a year and a half. Couturier, not so much. Why waste time on Coburn......Petry for Couturier straight up. Let someone else find Coburns shortcomings as an supposed "Poor mans top pairing" blueliner.

Is Coburn all that different than Ladislav Smid, really? He was railroaded out of town despite making only 3.5 per. Braydon is fools gold I tell ya....fools gold for any sucker who doesn't know how to recognize it. He certainly has you fooled it appears. He isn't good enough for Philly, why is he suddenly good enough to become the Oiler fans next whipping boy.

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#103 Sorensenator
June 14 2014, 05:19PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

What is Braydon Schenn worth than? Just Gagner- yeah I'm sure Hextall would be doing back flips after that offer.

Would the 3rd overall land B Schenn? I highly doubt it...

Klefbom may develop in Luke Schenn- but right now Luke is a much better defenseman.

I just through some names together and put together an offer- not much thought put into it.

Gagner and our third overall pick are not enough standing on their own for Brayden Schenn but too much when you combine them.

Realistically our 3rd and a prospect should easily land Brayden Schenn but that doesn't mean we should.

One of Reinhart, Bennett, and Draisaitl could all exceed B Schenn as a player.

Luke Schenn is terrible, he will be the team's goat wherever he plays for the rest of his career. Oscar Klefbom has the potential to be much better then him.

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#104 nuge2nail
June 14 2014, 05:45PM
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Sorensenator wrote:

Gagner and our third overall pick are not enough standing on their own for Brayden Schenn but too much when you combine them.

Realistically our 3rd and a prospect should easily land Brayden Schenn but that doesn't mean we should.

One of Reinhart, Bennett, and Draisaitl could all exceed B Schenn as a player.

Luke Schenn is terrible, he will be the team's goat wherever he plays for the rest of his career. Oscar Klefbom has the potential to be much better then him.

Oiler Domination To Follow

K let me try this again:

3rd Overall, Gagner and Petry

For

Couturier, Coburn and 2014 2nd rounder

Judging by the comments - the nation would prefer this.

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#105 Bucknuck
June 14 2014, 06:23PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

K let me try this again:

3rd Overall, Gagner and Petry

For

Couturier, Coburn and 2014 2nd rounder

Judging by the comments - the nation would prefer this.

Not this member of the Nation.

I don't think this improves the team.

I like Cobourn, but not if we are giving up our best defender. No way. It's a lateral move at best.

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#106 camdog
June 14 2014, 06:30PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I'd take Coburn over Petry all day.

In 2 years I'd take Petry over Coburn. I actually don't think there's much difference between them. Give Petry another 2 years of experience and pair him with defensively reliable forwards, and well they are the same player.

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#107 HardBoiledOil
June 14 2014, 07:27PM
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@nuge2nail

^still have it wrong....the Flys would have to give up at least #17, not just a 2nd rounder.

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#108 michael
June 14 2014, 10:20PM
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Philly will sell their collective left nut at the draft to retool their defense.

Whatever we think or may believe Philly is not a contender for the Sc with that defence.Its built to imo compete against teams like SJ and LA rather than Montreal or Pittsburgh.

They are slow and plodding. Coburn pretty much turned into a pylon when push came to shove.Speed killed him.He could not defend against the rush at all.

I like Coburn as a defensive option for the Oilers.I like him because he would not be asked to do anything other than defend from the blueline in. You pair him with JS or JP and that makes JS chaos a little more manageable.

Luke Shenn I would take without reservation and say thank you very much.Pair him with Ference and you have a solid 5-6.Petry and Marincin would do nicely in a 3-4 role.

Brayden Shenn imo is so undervalued its a wonder that Philly has let him get to RFA status.They have painted themselves into a corner with BShenn. Can't pay him because they dollars to shore up their defence. They have Scott Laughton chomping at the bit waiting in the wings.

On the Oilers I see him as a solid second line center.I would take him with no reservations.

What will it cost? Not a hell of a lot. Philly does not want salary back unless it comes with JP attached or JS attached to it.

Will it cost us the number 3? Not a chance. If we really wanted B Shenn all we would have to do is offer sheet him. Philly has no cap room to match the offer.But why bother.Philly has to decide sooner or later that their not going to compete at the next level with the defence that they put on the ice last year.

If I am Philly and here it is Lowetide the 3-1 deal is their best option.

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#109 Rickithebear
June 14 2014, 11:38PM
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Of the top 20 tough comp EB+VGA/60 Dmen 15 faced 1sts with 1st and 2nd teamates. 5 faced 1st with 3rd/4th tea mates.

lovejoy Bellimore oduya Fowler Marincin

What the h...... would you trade the Dmna driving our 1st comp D pair success.

marincin was the 3rd best tough comp Dman keeping Shots to perimeter behind Chara and Lovejoy.

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#110 bazmagoo
June 15 2014, 01:44AM
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Marincin, Klefbom, Nurse, Ference & Schultz are all safe from being traded in my opinion. Every other defenceman in the organization is likely available in the right scenario. Would love to see Coburn in Oilers silks but I'm thinking Klefbom or Marincin would have to part of that deal for the Flyers to pull the trigger.

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#111 Wax Man Riley
June 15 2014, 12:27PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

K let me try this again:

3rd Overall, Gagner and Petry

For

Couturier, Coburn and 2014 2nd rounder

Judging by the comments - the nation would prefer this.

I don't think it is your trade proposals that get you trashes. Although, lots of times it is.

It's the "Oiler Domination To Follow" shtick. It is hard to take anything seriously or think something intelligent will come after this.

Unless it is followed by "at finishing at the bottom of the league," or "at picking first."

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#112 Guy Lafleur
June 15 2014, 04:31PM
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Why trade a young defenceman , why do we always offer up our young D and Perron .Why not trade someone like Nuge , what is he gonna be , hes so small will he ever really be an effective centreman in the NHL ??? Why not trade Nuge for Simmonds and Coburn , draft one of the 3 excellent centres available this year and sign another centre this summer and go from there . I think its time to start considering the NUGE as a bust .

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#113 Wax Man Riley
June 15 2014, 09:57PM
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Guy Lafleur wrote:

Why trade a young defenceman , why do we always offer up our young D and Perron .Why not trade someone like Nuge , what is he gonna be , hes so small will he ever really be an effective centreman in the NHL ??? Why not trade Nuge for Simmonds and Coburn , draft one of the 3 excellent centres available this year and sign another centre this summer and go from there . I think its time to start considering the NUGE as a bust .

I know you're joking.

at 0.75pts/gm after 3 seasons and you call him a bust?

*whistles at the sky and walks away*

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#114 Guy Lafleur
June 15 2014, 10:57PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I know you're joking.

at 0.75pts/gm after 3 seasons and you call him a bust?

*whistles at the sky and walks away*

Pretty much i would , do you think Colorado would trade him for landeskog even up right now ???He will never be able to compete with the big centres in the west , heck that kid in Calgary dominates him , he is just too small and weak , hes not a 1st line centre in todays NHL .

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#115 Josh
June 15 2014, 11:37PM
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Coburn was a turn over machine in the playoffs this year.. I'd take Simmonds couturier and b schenn in a heart beat though

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#116 Zarny
June 16 2014, 09:32AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Don't fool yourself into thinking Hextall is in charge, he's no better than rookie GM Tambellini was here during his time. POHO still holds that sledgehammer thingy you refer to. Ron has rubbed the Oilers face in it during this never ending rebuild thing they got going on. This will be a deal with Holmgren if the Oilers are desperate enough, not Hextall.

Let's see, Flyers supposed best D'man, and they're anxious to get rid of him. Why is that, a competent person should ask himself. He can't be that good if the Flyers were first round road kill with him in the line up. If he's no longer good enough for Philly, he's not good enough for Edmonton, unless they're going to do that whole beggars can't be choosers song and dance. The Flyers are trying to rebuild their whole back end on the fly. Even Edmonton should be able to see that and reject their refuse, unless there's a sweetener (Couturier) thrown in. Coburn will be gone in a year and a half. Couturier, not so much. Why waste time on Coburn......Petry for Couturier straight up. Let someone else find Coburns shortcomings as an supposed "Poor mans top pairing" blueliner.

Is Coburn all that different than Ladislav Smid, really? He was railroaded out of town despite making only 3.5 per. Braydon is fools gold I tell ya....fools gold for any sucker who doesn't know how to recognize it. He certainly has you fooled it appears. He isn't good enough for Philly, why is he suddenly good enough to become the Oiler fans next whipping boy.

Ah I see the problem now. You're not smart enough to figure out the Vollman sledgehammer. It's understandable that you fear what you don't understand.

If you think Hextall is just Holmgren's lacky you haven't been paying attention...to hockey or to Ron Hextall lol.

Your first mistake is thinking Phi is anxious to get rid of Coburn. They aren't. His name pops up in trade rumors because other teams want him similar to Eberle.

Is Coburn all that different than Ladislav Smid? Umm yes...a lot different. Simply asking that question does not reflect well on you.

Go to Hockey Abstract and select "Player Usage Charts". On the team drop down menu select Phi, Bos and NYR. Bos is selected by default so 1/3 of the work is already done.

Now under position select only the D and to make it easier turn player names on.

Now what you will notice is that the little blue circle for Braydon Coburn overlaps with both Zdeno Chara and Ryan McDonagh way off in the upper left corner.

This means a few things. The first is that Coburn plays against the same top level competition as Chara and McDonagh. The second is that he does this for 22:36 min every game. The third is that his circle is blue while being on the ice for 22:36 min a game against the top players in the game.

If you think Coburn is a "poor man's top pairing" blueliner you simply don't know hockey. It's that simple.

If you think Jeff Petry is going to get you Sean Couturier please pass what you're smoking. Petry will likely get the same salary as Coburn this summer and it's a guarantee Phi has tape of Petry getting manhandled by Blake Wheeler to lose the game in OT last year. They aren't giving up Couturier for him lol.

You are like many fans in that the only solutions you see are all-stars.

Is Coburn as good as Shea Weber? Nope. That's why Coburn only makes $4.5M/yr not $7M+. He lacks the offense needed to be a perennial Norris candidate.

Here is the thing though...Shea Weber isn't available. Neither is Keith, Subban, Doughty, or Chara. Braydon Coburn on the other hand might be without selling the farm.

But hey, you cling to your silly catchphrases like "fool's gold" and weird delusions like Coburn is no longer good enough for Philly and continue to pin your hopes on a 3rd overall draft pick from a class described as mediocre at best. Because that's working so well isn't it lol.

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#117 jeremy
June 16 2014, 09:47AM
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Guy Lafleur wrote:

Pretty much i would , do you think Colorado would trade him for landeskog even up right now ???He will never be able to compete with the big centres in the west , heck that kid in Calgary dominates him , he is just too small and weak , hes not a 1st line centre in todays NHL .

When I think I have heard it all a gem like this comes up. If you think Nugent Hopkins is a bust then you are an idiot, especially when you run your mouth saying "that kid in Calgary dominates him".

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#118 Guy Lafleur
June 16 2014, 09:58AM
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jeremy wrote:

When I think I have heard it all a gem like this comes up. If you think Nugent Hopkins is a bust then you are an idiot, especially when you run your mouth saying "that kid in Calgary dominates him".

Do you think Calgary would trade NUGE for Monahan one for one , would you ?? Name calling the first resort of people who cant back up their argument lol

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#119 Guy Lafleur
June 16 2014, 10:03AM
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jeremy wrote:

When I think I have heard it all a gem like this comes up. If you think Nugent Hopkins is a bust then you are an idiot, especially when you run your mouth saying "that kid in Calgary dominates him".

Let me guess next your gonna wait for me after school when you leave your Moms basement and beat me up cuz youz a gangsta !!! LOL

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#120 Jeff
June 16 2014, 04:56PM
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I agree that we should not call each other names. In fact, Guy - I think you are a beautiful flower that is special in many ways.

However, your hockey knowledge is not one of them. I can pretty much see why Jeremy got upset. Your opinions are so wrong it is offensive to some and causes others to post for the first time ever!I say this without malice: you are either A) a very effective troll or B) not watching the games

If you think that Monahan>Nuge and are confident or even remotely comfortable with calling Nuge a bust then, then, then...

Then there is no need to begin the discussion.

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