TRADING DOWN (BUT NOT OUT)

Lowetide
June 18 2014 05:45PM

2012 draft

The Edmonton Oilers are locked and loaded to pick No. 3 overall at the 2014 NHL Entry Draft, but as we get closer the thought of dealing the pick for immediate help moves front and center. Would the Oilers move out of the first round? Unlikely. Move down? Depends on the return.

As Robin Brownlee indicated in his article today the No. 3 pick may be in play, depending on what's available. He mentioned Evander Kane, your mileage may vary. The point being, if Edmonton trades out they should get good value, and trading down might give them a nice player and of course a later first round pick. Let's break down the top 15 overall, assuming Edmonton's needs are center, size and defense.

FIRST CLUSTER

  • C Sam Bennett—Some questions about strength/durability.
  • D Aaron Ekblad—He'll go No. 1 or 2. Possible franchise defenseman.
  • C Leon Draisaitl—Big center with possession skills.
  • C Sam Reinhart—Highly skilled player, some say he'll find a home on the wing. 

Edmonton will have two outstanding prospects still on the board at No. 3 overall. In order to trade out, they'd need very good value (more than a second round pick, as an example) UNLESS they valued someone in the second tier equally.

SECOND CLUSTER

  • L Michael Dal Colle—Something tells me he’ll be a Canuck draft day. NY Islanders are crazy.
  • L Nick Ritchie—He’s a monster. High risk because we don’t know about offense.
  • R Jake Virtanen—Power winger who can score goals. Outstanding release, very physical.
  • L Nikita Scherbak—Skilled, rugged winger impressed with range in his WHL debut.

Now, I want to point a couple of things out. There are many prospects in play inside the top 15 not listed here, but one doubts Edmonton has targeted William Nylander. Again, you may feel a player should be on the list, and that's cool, I'm looking for player who fit our original idea (size, bigger, etc) along with being a center or defenseman.

As you can see, there are no centers and no defenders, meaning (in my opinion) Edmonton would need to acquire an established defenseman or center as part of the deal to trade down. 

WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE?

As an example, let's use our good friends the Toronto Maple Leafs. Let's say both Ekblad and Draisaitl are gone, and let's also say Toronto has a powerful urge to draft Sam Bennett or Sam Reinhart. The Leafs could offer a sweetener to trade up from No. 8 to No. 3, but it would have to be center or defense.

As the Leafs don't have impact C or D who are young enough to grow with the cluster (Gardiner and Kadri are good, but not that good) chances are Edmonton will stand and deliver at No. 3 overall with Bennett or Reinhart.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

dog afraid

The No. 3 pick may well be in play, but the priorities that have to be addressed remain the same:

  • Center
  • Defense
  • Skilled men with size who can play with the brilliant kids.

The Edmonton Oilers have been dancing around this issue (under previous GMs) for years now, and one of the results is inertia and poor results. Adding another high pick who may play this season is interesting, but not terribly compelling. Adding a 25 minute a night defenseman or a center with size who can play in the top 6?

Bold. There's one problem: you have to find a partner.



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    #51 Lofty
    June 19 2014, 05:34AM
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    Draft the best player. I don't care if its a left winger, draft him.

    You cant let your roster dictate who you pick, that's where mistakes are made.

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    #52 book¡e
    June 19 2014, 06:15AM
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    Jasmine wrote:

    Draisaitl is over-hyped and overrated. He only cares about Germany and not the NHL. Only reason he came to NA is so players in Germany would start playing hockey and the development isn't great in Germany. Draisaitl will be a bust.

    THats the problem with You Edmonton fans. Always driving players out of town. The guys not even here yet and you are driving him out of town. We will never have a good team because fans like you are driving players out of Town!!!!

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    #53 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
    June 19 2014, 06:34AM
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    Bookie, didn't you just finish saying not to draft Leon because he's German and there are no German superstars?

    Also, Hall's a smurf now? The same smurf that annihilated Clutterbuck?

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    #54 book¡e
    June 19 2014, 06:55AM
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    Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

    Bookie, didn't you just finish saying not to draft Leon because he's German and there are no German superstars?

    Also, Hall's a smurf now? The same smurf that annihilated Clutterbuck?

    I wish Jasmine were my alter ego. You can't fake that kind of crazy though.

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    #55 Fresh Mess
    June 19 2014, 06:59AM
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    Reg Dunlop wrote:

    Are you referring to the B. Yakimov who will never see the inside of a NHL rink unless he buys a ticket? Trading down is the sort of noncommitted, half-assed response that I would expect of Tambo. A bold move would be to commit to build through the draft and keep the pick OR to trade out of the 1st round for an actual NHL player.

    I was wondering the same thing. Apparently now on fantasy island Yakimov is a budding superstar.

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    #56 Fresh Mess
    June 19 2014, 07:01AM
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    YakCity1024 wrote:

    David Poile is willing to trade the 11th pick for a top-6 forward.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=30034

    Gagner for it?

    Hahahahaha. Good one.

    And then Yakupov for Seguin next? LOL.

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    #57 Spurzey
    June 19 2014, 07:30AM
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    book¡e wrote:

    I live in Edmonton and know where there is free parking near the rink. I go when I get free tickets. The sport is simply not worth the cost even when good teams are playing AND the TV coverage is great. I am astonished that people spend so much to go to games.

    You and me....tier 3!

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    #58 K_Mart
    June 19 2014, 07:44AM
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    Dean Belanger wrote:

    There is one small problem regarding Kane. Why would the Jets trade him for Yak or Ebs? Doesn't address their needs in any way.

    What they should be doing is trading Buff...

    Why is trading Eberle even an option? How many RWers in the league have produced as much offense as him over the last 3 seasons? 5-6 maybe?

    We have one of the absolute best right wingers in the game, and he also happens to be one of the best in SO's. If your team needs involve getting better, adding Eberle will do that. Hes worth more than Kane, to any team.

    If we absolutely had to move eberle, it would have to be for one of the top 30 d men in the NHL. So basically, it ain't happening.

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    #59 madjam
    June 19 2014, 08:18AM
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    Oiler fans do not run players out of town anymore than other bottom clubs - nature of the beast . The player(s) do that themselves by underperforming .

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    #60 Bullets Hockey
    June 19 2014, 09:10AM
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    Woogie63 wrote:

    If Ekblad is taken by FLP

    Trade #3 to Bufdalo, they pick pick two centre to jump start re build

    For

    Tyler Myers ( we get big right handed defenseman that might be a number 2 some day)

    Buffalo doesn't need 2 young centers....they are already sitting on Girgensons and Grigorenko.

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    #61 madjam
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    Madjam's crystal ball . With current roster optimism at an all time low , if we go into next season with filling spots with the default positions , fans will not be pleased . Fans are fickle and want to be entertained whatever the results . Therefore I propose that we use at least two young rookies to help fill that void . One will be Nurse and the other our new center for at least 9 games . Who could get possibly excited about a Pinzotto or Parkinen to be honest , or several of our other AHL'ers ? I have assumed Klefbom and Marincin both on parent club .

    If we start bad at least we would have a good dose of excitement with the rookies in lineup . Now at least I have something that might excite me by having two top rookies make the team . Entertain me , don't bore the crap out of me with your default players .

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    #62 book¡e
    June 19 2014, 09:22AM
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    book¡e wrote:

    THats the problem with You Edmonton fans. Always driving players out of town. The guys not even here yet and you are driving him out of town. We will never have a good team because fans like you are driving players out of Town!!!!

    I think some people missed the reference.

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    #63 HardBoiledOil
    June 19 2014, 09:22AM
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    i think this draft is going to be a dud for Oiler fans without a 2nd or 3rd rounder. but i get the idea of needing to get better now and not worry as much as in the past about draft picks.

    i do like the idea of getting Evander Kane or making a trade with the Leafs to get #8 and Kadri and Gardiner in a package for #3, Gagner and another d-man in our system that's overloaded (in a good way) with d-men that likely won't have a chance at a spot here.

    a deal like above with the Leafs would be what i would consider "BOLD".

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    #64 nugeformayor
    June 19 2014, 09:30AM
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    Bennet for the win!

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    #65 Benny Botts
    June 19 2014, 09:34AM
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    Jasmine wrote:

    Draisaitl is over-hyped and overrated. He only cares about Germany and not the NHL. Only reason he came to NA is so players in Germany would start playing hockey and the development isn't great in Germany. Draisaitl will be a bust.

    You're attempt at trolling is pathetic to say the least. Beat it you clown.

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    #66 Gofucoffee
    June 19 2014, 09:42AM
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    Gags, Petry and the #3 to philly for Couturier, Coburn and the 17th pick

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    #67 BabyNuge's_Baby
    June 19 2014, 09:50AM
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    Yakupov for Griffin Reinhardt

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    #68 BabyNuge's_Baby
    June 19 2014, 09:52AM
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    HardBoiledOil wrote:

    i think this draft is going to be a dud for Oiler fans without a 2nd or 3rd rounder. but i get the idea of needing to get better now and not worry as much as in the past about draft picks.

    i do like the idea of getting Evander Kane or making a trade with the Leafs to get #8 and Kadri and Gardiner in a package for #3, Gagner and another d-man in our system that's overloaded (in a good way) with d-men that likely won't have a chance at a spot here.

    a deal like above with the Leafs would be what i would consider "BOLD".

    If you look at what we got for the picks we are coming out ahead, it was a good move for 2 good players rather than 2 hopefuls, especially considering the oil track record for drafting outside of the first round.

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    #69 Benny Botts
    June 19 2014, 09:54AM
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    Gofucoffee wrote:

    Gags, Petry and the #3 to philly for Couturier, Coburn and the 17th pick

    As much as I would love to see this. Hextall would laugh at you and then take a tomahawk chop at you with his old goalie stick..

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    #70 Todd
    June 19 2014, 09:56AM
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    Gofucoffee wrote:

    Gags, Petry and the #3 to philly for Couturier, Coburn and the 17th pick

    Good line of thinking... But I'd like it better if we could keep Petry somehow. Regardless of what you think of Petry, if we move him out for D help it's just shuffling the cards. Yes, Coburn is an upgrade, but we don't need upgrades, we need addition without subtraction on the d end. Hope MacT can pull it off...

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    #71 Todd
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    BabyNuge's_Baby wrote:

    Yakupov for Griffin Reinhardt

    Ha... Glad you aren't GM.

    Remember when the Islanders traded Chara and a 1st (Spezza) for Yashin. It set them back 10 years.

    Your trade has that sort of potential. I'm not a Yak fan, but giving up on him now is what Infinibuild Islander teams would do.

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    #72 Spoils
    June 19 2014, 10:09AM
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    Spoils wrote:

    If Ekblad is gone, I'd lean toward trading #3.

    Who's the second best D in the draft?

    This got trashed but I'm going to explain myself because I think I am right.

    Nuge and his 15 pts in 6 games MVP performance at the WJC will be our #1C once he matures. We definitely need a strong #2C but I think we can get that through trades. A #1D is A LOT harder to acquire through trades.

    Still, Vancouver became a contender with 5 strong D. This is where Edmonton could be with Klefbom, Schultz, Nurse, Marincin, Petry, AND Ekblad. The second best D in the draft is Hayden Fleury 6'2 200lbs, @IssHockey - "One of the elite shutdown defenders; logs big mins & vital leader in RD." - Nov. 24th, 2013 That trade down (to about 10-12th) works for me if we can't get Ekblad... And maybe we can pick up another piece in the process.

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    #73 oilerbuff
    June 19 2014, 10:18AM
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    If trading the third overall pick can.land.Tyler.Myers plus another pick, I would love to see that go down. Pull the trigger on that any day. there's a very gifted offensive d-man, Deangelo ranked 14th overall among North American.skaters. he's not very big but he's got game, not afraid to throw his weight around or drop the gloves. 71 points for Sarnia this year. I think he'd be a nice consolation prize to Ekblad.

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    #74 Zarny
    June 19 2014, 10:21AM
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    No one in this draft is considered exceptional. It's like 2007 but with no Patrick Kane. You could trade down to 6th or 8th and still end up with the best player in the draft so the Oilers should certainly explore their options.

    I think there are a few scenarios where the Oilers trade down.

    The first would be flipping picks with Cgy, NYI or Van. It would be contingent on the Oilers preferring Draisaitl, Cgy, NYI or Van really wanting Bennett or Reinhart and the Oilers believing Draisaitl would fall to 5th or 6th. If you believe all that perhaps NYI offers up a 2015 2nd round pick or Josh Bailey to get one of the Sam's and Edm still gets the player they want.

    The second would be trading further down which is likely part of a bigger trade for Phaneuf, Coburn or Yandle that also involves swapping the 3rd for 8th, 13th or 17th. The Oilers wouldn't get Draisaitl but could land 6'2" 207 lbs D Hayden Fleury or Ritchie or Virtanen plus whatever they get in the trade.

    The third option would be to flip picks more than once. If they flipped with NYI and Cgy drafts Draisaitl the Oilers could look at moving down again if they thought there was no difference in who they could draft 5th versus 9th or 11th (for example).

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    #75 Zarny
    June 19 2014, 10:29AM
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    Gofucoffee wrote:

    Gags, Petry and the #3 to philly for Couturier, Coburn and the 17th pick

    This is a good line of thinking.

    However, Phi is tight to the cap and Gags + Petry are more expensive than Couturier + Coburn. Gags also isn't really the type of player Phi covets.

    Don't be surprised if Phi says they want Marincin or Klefbom over Petry and someone other than Gags...like Yakupov.

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    #76 Zarny
    June 19 2014, 10:36AM
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    RyanCoke wrote:

    Why is there 5 articles today and when there is real hockey there is only 2-3 articles a day?

    Because the Oilers' Stanley Cup, referred to by the other 29 teams as "the draft", is only 8 days away ;-)

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    #77 Zarny
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    Jasmine wrote:

    Draisaitl is over-hyped and overrated. He only cares about Germany and not the NHL. Only reason he came to NA is so players in Germany would start playing hockey and the development isn't great in Germany. Draisaitl will be a bust.

    The only reason Draisaitl came to NA is because he wants to play in the NHL.

    Newsflash...they've been playing hockey in Germany for a long time. The competition isn't as good as Canada that is true; hence the reason Draisaitl came to NA to pursue his goal.

    There is nothing over-hyped about a kid who puts up 105 pts as an 18 y/o in the WHL. Like, literally nothing.

    You should try reality sometime...you'll like it.

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    #78 A-Mc
    June 19 2014, 11:03AM
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    @Zarny

    Maybe you can explain something to me Zarny:

    You regularly repeat that this draft year isn't that great, yet LDraisaitl was able to achieve a significant number of points in the WHL. Comparing his numbers to past draft choices, he ranks pretty well.

    This draft doesnt have a Crosby, but statistically speaking it does have a Taylor Hall. Was Taylor Halls draft year considered weak?

    If so, i think "weak" draft class labels are a little misleading.

    Here are some numbers from Hockey DB for Regular season (Draft year) gms/pts for the other oilers additions in recent years:
    THall 57gp/106pts
    Nuge 69gp/106pts
    YakAttack 42gp/69pts
    LDraisaitl 64gp/105pts

    Using LD as a sample pick (most likely edm pick), statistically this doesn't appear to be a weak draft at all. Once the term 'weak' got thrown out there, fans are talking about this draft as if its a red headed step child and that even the top choices aren't really that great compared to other years. What i dont understand is where does that show in the numbers? Where can i see the gap between LD and any of the other choices in the draft from prior years?

    As far as i can tell, our #3 this year is as good as any other #3 in other years.

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    #79 HardBoiledOil
    June 19 2014, 11:33AM
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    ^it's because A-Mc fans are so easily persuaded into changing their opinions over what the media says about a player. as soon as they say about any player things like "slow" or "needs to improve defensively" or anything, the red flags immediately go up and fans start to peck away at these kids. soon you hear things like "bust" and other nonsense about that player and how your team needs to be picking someone else. (forgetting that most players have warts!). sure am glad fans don't make the draft choices!!

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    #80 SSB1963
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    K_Mart wrote:

    Why is trading Eberle even an option? How many RWers in the league have produced as much offense as him over the last 3 seasons? 5-6 maybe?

    We have one of the absolute best right wingers in the game, and he also happens to be one of the best in SO's. If your team needs involve getting better, adding Eberle will do that. Hes worth more than Kane, to any team.

    If we absolutely had to move eberle, it would have to be for one of the top 30 d men in the NHL. So basically, it ain't happening.

    I don't believe we have ever mentioned Eberle in trade talks. It is the other teams asking for him.

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    #81 Quicksilver ballet
    June 19 2014, 12:29PM
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    book¡e wrote:

    I wish Jasmine were my alter ego. You can't fake that kind of crazy though.

    I have no doubt this is the real book¡e.

    Seen some book¡e knockoff posts over the last week, and they don't contain nearly the proper amount of cloaked sarcasm. You must have a clone/admirer book¡e

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    #82 war
    June 19 2014, 01:16PM
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    trade our 3rd,ganger and klfbom to toronto for there 8th pick,kadri and phenuaf.

    trade the 8th pick,next years 2nd and yak for tyler myers

    or just go one stop shopping and trade pick with philly,throw in klefbom and ganger and our 2nd next year for coburn and coutourier

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    #83 Tikkanese
    June 19 2014, 02:28PM
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    Bullets Hockey wrote:

    Buffalo doesn't need 2 young centers....they are already sitting on Girgensons and Grigorenko.

    You forgot Ennis, Hodgson and AHL all star Luke Adam. All young and full of potential.

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    #84 Zarny
    June 19 2014, 03:06PM
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    A-Mc wrote:

    Maybe you can explain something to me Zarny:

    You regularly repeat that this draft year isn't that great, yet LDraisaitl was able to achieve a significant number of points in the WHL. Comparing his numbers to past draft choices, he ranks pretty well.

    This draft doesnt have a Crosby, but statistically speaking it does have a Taylor Hall. Was Taylor Halls draft year considered weak?

    If so, i think "weak" draft class labels are a little misleading.

    Here are some numbers from Hockey DB for Regular season (Draft year) gms/pts for the other oilers additions in recent years:
    THall 57gp/106pts
    Nuge 69gp/106pts
    YakAttack 42gp/69pts
    LDraisaitl 64gp/105pts

    Using LD as a sample pick (most likely edm pick), statistically this doesn't appear to be a weak draft at all. Once the term 'weak' got thrown out there, fans are talking about this draft as if its a red headed step child and that even the top choices aren't really that great compared to other years. What i dont understand is where does that show in the numbers? Where can i see the gap between LD and any of the other choices in the draft from prior years?

    As far as i can tell, our #3 this year is as good as any other #3 in other years.

    It is the consensus of the scouting staffs with Central Scouting, ISS etc that this year is "mediocre at best". Their words; not mine. I certainly don't claim to have extensively scouted all of the prospects.

    It is considered weak for 2 reasons. First, there is no one that is considered truly exceptional (Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Doughty, Hall etc). Second, it is not considered to be very deep. Next year, scouts think you might get a top 6 F all the way to #50. This year the talent drops off much earlier.

    Regarding your claim that this draft statistically has a Taylor Hall I would argue you need to look deeper.

    Truly exceptional players don't just have good draft years. Here is how Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Doughty and Hall performed the year before their draft year as 17 y/o:

    Crosby - 59 games 135 pts

    Tavares - 59 games 118 pts

    Stamkos - 63 games 92 pts

    Hall - 63 games 90 pts

    Doughty - 67 games 74 pts

    Tavares was truly an exceptional Jr player. He had 77 pts in 64 games as a 15 y/o his entire first season. He had 134 pts in 67 games as a 16 y/o!!

    Taylor Hall played 3 years of Jr and put up 84 pts in 63 games as a 15/16 y/o 2 years before being drafted. He's a 2-time Memorial Cup MVP and the first time he won it was as a 17 y/o the year before being drafted.

    Now take a look at what the kids this year did as 17 y/o:

    Reinhart - 72 games 85 pts

    Bennett - 60 games 40 pts

    Draisaitl - 64 games 60 pts

    Ekblad - 54 games 34 pts

    Special players almost universally dominate not just as 18 y/o but when they are 16 and 17 too. Next year scouts are drooling over McDavid. Here is why:

    McDavid (17y/o) - 56 games 99 pts

    Reinhart is a bit of a tweener. His numbers are very good as a 17 y/o which is why 2 years ago he was projected to go 1st overall this year. Still, if Taylor Hall or Steven Stamkos had played 72 games as a 17 y/o they were on pace for 103-105 pts vs 85.

    Bennett, Draisaitl and Ekblad were not dominant as 17 y/o. You can't mention them in the same breathe as kids who ripped apart Jr leagues as 16 & 17 y/o.

    Neither was Ryan Getlaf though so it's certainly possible someone this year will eventually get to that elite level in the NHL but there is no guarantee who; and timing is a factor. Stamkos hit 95 pts in his 2nd year in the NHL. Hall was on pace for 91 pts in his 3rd year and Tavares hit 81 pts in his 3rd year. Getzlaf played 2 extra years of Jr and didn't have a breakout year until his 5th year after being drafed.

    If you are curious, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had 65 pts in 67 games as a 17 y/o and 106 pts in 69 games his draft year.

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    #85 book¡e
    June 19 2014, 03:24PM
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    Quicksilver ballet wrote:

    I have no doubt this is the real book¡e.

    Seen some book¡e knockoff posts over the last week, and they don't contain nearly the proper amount of cloaked sarcasm. You must have a clone/admirer book¡e

    I haven't been posting much as of late. I will have to go back and look. I have been pretty sleep deprived so I could be responsible for some lame material but have no recollection of it.

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    #86 A-Mc
    June 19 2014, 04:10PM
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    Zarny wrote:

    It is the consensus of the scouting staffs with Central Scouting, ISS etc that this year is "mediocre at best". Their words; not mine. I certainly don't claim to have extensively scouted all of the prospects.

    It is considered weak for 2 reasons. First, there is no one that is considered truly exceptional (Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Doughty, Hall etc). Second, it is not considered to be very deep. Next year, scouts think you might get a top 6 F all the way to #50. This year the talent drops off much earlier.

    Regarding your claim that this draft statistically has a Taylor Hall I would argue you need to look deeper.

    Truly exceptional players don't just have good draft years. Here is how Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Doughty and Hall performed the year before their draft year as 17 y/o:

    Crosby - 59 games 135 pts

    Tavares - 59 games 118 pts

    Stamkos - 63 games 92 pts

    Hall - 63 games 90 pts

    Doughty - 67 games 74 pts

    Tavares was truly an exceptional Jr player. He had 77 pts in 64 games as a 15 y/o his entire first season. He had 134 pts in 67 games as a 16 y/o!!

    Taylor Hall played 3 years of Jr and put up 84 pts in 63 games as a 15/16 y/o 2 years before being drafted. He's a 2-time Memorial Cup MVP and the first time he won it was as a 17 y/o the year before being drafted.

    Now take a look at what the kids this year did as 17 y/o:

    Reinhart - 72 games 85 pts

    Bennett - 60 games 40 pts

    Draisaitl - 64 games 60 pts

    Ekblad - 54 games 34 pts

    Special players almost universally dominate not just as 18 y/o but when they are 16 and 17 too. Next year scouts are drooling over McDavid. Here is why:

    McDavid (17y/o) - 56 games 99 pts

    Reinhart is a bit of a tweener. His numbers are very good as a 17 y/o which is why 2 years ago he was projected to go 1st overall this year. Still, if Taylor Hall or Steven Stamkos had played 72 games as a 17 y/o they were on pace for 103-105 pts vs 85.

    Bennett, Draisaitl and Ekblad were not dominant as 17 y/o. You can't mention them in the same breathe as kids who ripped apart Jr leagues as 16 & 17 y/o.

    Neither was Ryan Getlaf though so it's certainly possible someone this year will eventually get to that elite level in the NHL but there is no guarantee who; and timing is a factor. Stamkos hit 95 pts in his 2nd year in the NHL. Hall was on pace for 91 pts in his 3rd year and Tavares hit 81 pts in his 3rd year. Getzlaf played 2 extra years of Jr and didn't have a breakout year until his 5th year after being drafed.

    If you are curious, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had 65 pts in 67 games as a 17 y/o and 106 pts in 69 games his draft year.

    Alright so we're literally looking at LD being close to Nuge in terms of production ALTHOUGH****

    **** LD's 17 y/o year was his first in North America playing the NA game, after coming over from Germany. He is only going to get better the longer he is in the system.

    +1 for LD

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    #87 Quicksilver ballet
    June 19 2014, 04:20PM
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    Pssst, hey buddy.

    I'll trade you these 3 brand new 20 dollar bills, for your one pocket worn 100 dollar bill.

    This is what trading down is in the Oilers case. The Oilers just aren't smart enough to pull this off.

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    #88 Oilcruzer
    June 19 2014, 08:30PM
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    max wrote:

    I am a die hard Oiler's gal, no question about it. Every season I spend about $12,000 on my Oilers' addiction - 5 games, 4 tickets each game, air fares from Vancouver Island, hotels, car rentals, meals, $9.25 beer and food at the arena. And guess what, during those 5 games last season, the buzzer rang ONCE, that's right ONE GOAL and we lost every game we attended. I cannot justify this again this year, so I will watch my beloved team on TV and maybe, perhaps, buy tickets for my birthday game early next year. Hubby and I are retired, on a government pension so $12,000 eats away at our savings enormously. To spend that much money only to be let down again and again is disheartening. Cannot and will not do it again this year. SO trade, draft, sign UFA's, do what you will, until I see some positive results and PROOF that things are turning around, I will watch from the comfort of my living room. At least I will be able to buy a 6 pack for the same price as a Rexall beer. I guess that makes me a 2nd tier fan.

    Try living in the lower mainland and being a season ticket holder for the Oil. That's my hell.

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    #89 Terry
    June 19 2014, 11:36PM
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    Todd wrote:

    Good line of thinking... But I'd like it better if we could keep Petry somehow. Regardless of what you think of Petry, if we move him out for D help it's just shuffling the cards. Yes, Coburn is an upgrade, but we don't need upgrades, we need addition without subtraction on the d end. Hope MacT can pull it off...

    We don't need upgrades??? Wow , let's keep drafting kids and have zero success!! We need upgrades!! Big time

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    #90 Todd
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    Terry wrote:

    We don't need upgrades??? Wow , let's keep drafting kids and have zero success!! We need upgrades!! Big time

    You completely missed the point.

    Of course upgrades are good. But what we really need is addition without losing the few real nhl players we have.

    Upgrading Petry is better than nothing. But this team is going nowhere less we can keep the real players we have and add new ones. So yes we need to either sign UFAs or trade picks and prospects away.

    Anything else is IMHO incremental improvement at best, likely pointless.

    Otherwise it's just like pulling your finger from one hole in the boat to plug a different hole. You still sink, just differently.

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