DRAFT DAY SCENARIO: COULD THIS HAPPEN?

Lowetide
June 24 2014 10:53AM

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It's draft week, and that means up is down, left is right and right is wrong, and you better decide which side you're on. Rumors about William Nylander or Nick Ritchie drawing into the top five, about Vancouver and Winnipeg and Toronto trading up—it's madness!

Into this Poe spring I'd like to throw out some verse about the Edmonton Oilers. Let's roll.

WHAT IF...

My scenario begins with the Sam's going 1-2. It doesn't matter the order for our purposes, but let's assume it's Reinhart and then Bennett. Edmonton, drafting third would have their pick of giants:

  • Aaron Ekblad, the man caught in a body the approximate age of One Direction.
  • Leon Draisaitl, whose nickname appears to be Dangler, but he's making it work.

In that scenario, which player do you take? I'm leaning toward the dangler, but Ekblad could be a 15-year defenseman playing 20+ minutes a night and keeping the opponents honest and popping 10 a year on the power play. Sheldon Souray, but more mobile. That has value.

For the sake of this morning, let's say Edmonton takes Ekblad, and then Calgary—still a little zonked from the flight in to Philly—decide they're smarter than everyone and takes Nick Ritchie.

You KNOW Garth Snow wants to make a deal. You KNOW he wants a winger for his team because that pick he gave to Buffalo can't be No. 1-5.

Question: do you trade what it takes to get No. 5 and take the German?

WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE?

I imagine you'd have to give a combination of assets, central being an NHL winger of note. Whether that's Perron or Yakupov (oh stop, we're just talking here) or even Samwise Gagner is open to question. The Oilers have some other things:

  • Young defensemen
  • Next year's first-round selection

YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY

Totally get that line of thinking. Why in hell would you do this?

Because the Oilers are weak sauce up the middle and could solve it (or really help) in one day. It has a certain appeal. Also, the new GM would be putting his stamp on the team in a major way. Don't discount that, it's kind of an important detail. 

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WHAT WOULD IT ALL MEAN?

This is the week you can skip from rumor to rumor, but this isn't one. We're just blue-skying on a bright sunny day.

What does making this deal mean? You know what it means? It means bankruptcy and scandal and prison! Sorry wrong speech. It means two things:

  • the cluster's age is moved back once again
  • the Oilers are finally future strong up the middle. 

Pick your poison.



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#51 oilerjed
June 24 2014, 12:26PM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

You're taking Draisitl over Ekblad if it comes to that? What time is it where you live because 10:53 is too early to be hitting the bottle that hard.

All the talk has been about how the Oilers need D-Men, high end D-Men, that you can't trade for, and you take a forward. I would take Ekblad, let him develop and wait for a top 4 of Ekblad, Nurse, Marincin and Klefbom, toss in Petry and J Schultz and you have a pretty good back end.

You win from building from the goalie out, find a centre in FA this year and go from there, no matter how much you like his nickname.

At the very least you don't let Calgary get there hands on a possible Norris trophy winning D-man down the road.

The problem with this scenario is that what if Nurse/Ekblad/Klefbom/Maricin dont ever end up being better the what we have now. Nothing is gauranteed when it comes to developing prospects. So what do we do in 3-4 years when we realize that these are the Dmen of our future like we thought. Start over?? And basing any decisions on what Calgary will get is completely out to lunch. They are getting a good player too no matter what. Why do we care who it is?

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#52 RexHolez
June 24 2014, 12:29PM
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@oilerjed

Isn't it funny that our third overall pick could probably get us an established 1st pairing dman like phaneuf, and Ekblad might never even turn out to be as good as him.

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#53 RomZ
June 24 2014, 12:30PM
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Will wrote:

Oh for sure, I wasn't including you in that, just Oiler fans in general, myself included. Just explaining why all this seemingly outcry to try and get Ekblad at the draft, even though at number 3 this might be the first can't miss draft for the Oilers.

In past years there has always been controversy on who to take, and endless debates on if they took the right guy, or unimaginable scenarios where if we could have only done x or y to trade for pick a or b, yadda yadda.

But God forbid the Oilers go 2 years in a row of drafting the exact type of player they need, only problem is they will take a year or two to develop, you know, like how the draft works for the rest of the NHL.

I truly hope they draft the big German, let him develop for two years. I know the rest of the league knocks Edmonton for stockpiling high end draft picks. But with just a slight amount of patience and development, in two years time the team will have one of the biggest, most talented, deepest D core in the league, matched by a group of three forwards who by then might become one of the best top lines, flanked by an endless number of potential top flight prospects like Chase, Yakimov, Draisaitl. Not to mention the established talent like Perron, Gagner, and Yak.

But rushing these kids is only going to sink their careers before they even begin.

Agreed,

Unfortunately patience is in short order in a city like this. We have too many glaring holes to fix in one season. I think Mac T would be best off trying to collect key pieces over several off seaons just like Lombardi did with the Kings. The playoffs are a pipedream for the current roster.

I think the team can realistically make a 10-15 point improvement, just based off a solid tandem of Scrivens, and Fasth.

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#54 wintoon
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I absolutely support the concept of acquiring the #5 pick in addition to the #3 pick we already have. Furthermore, the scenario of getting both Draisaitl and Ekblad would be great.

However if we have the #3 and #5 pick and have given up Perron for the #5, then even if Calgary drafts Ekblad or Draisaitl in the #4 slot, we still have the opportunity to end up with either Draisaitl or Ekblad plus either Dal Colle or Virtanen. Either option is appealing as we would either plug two gaping holes with Draisaitl #2C and Ekblad #1 or #2 D or alternatively reconfiguring our top 6 forwards by adding size and more scoring punch (Dal Colle or Virtanen).

Either scenario sees the Oilers as being a much tougher group to play against while having further increased the talent level. The key is that Perron is probably at the highest level he ever will be in terms of value to the NYIs. He is a left winger with some grit who could fit very nicely with Tavares and Okoposo.

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#55 Spydyr
June 24 2014, 12:34PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Isn't it funny that our third overall pick could probably get us an established 1st pairing dman like phaneuf, and Ekblad might never even turn out to be as good as him.

Phaneuf is 29 on a bloated contract and if he is so awesome why would Toronto want to trade him? It is not like Toronto's defence is that good.Calgary also got rid of him for whatever reason.

I would take Ekblad over Phaneuf all day long.

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#56 Will
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Numenius wrote:

The problem with trading Yak for Draisaitl is that they are a perfect fit for each other, and so you should want both.

Drafting Draisaitl rejuvenates Yak and complements Draisaitl, effectively giving you 2 high end forwards.

I agree, that is the makings of one hell of a line.

I know we all squee over the Hall Nuge and Ebs line. But Yak went first overall for a reason. The kid tied for lead in rookie scoring his first season in fewer games. Imagine Leon in 2 years, even bigger and more skilled, dishing the puck to Yak after 3 seasons in the NHL.

I still say Mac T should see how little he could pay Heatly to play on a third line with these two kids. That would be a big, skilled line.

Just my opinion, I already know not a single person for some reason wants to put a 6"4 220 lbs 33 year old NHL vet with 791 points in 863 games, who would likely sign for 2 mill because no one wants him, and might just be mature enough now to not have an attitude.

So, because there is no interest in Heatly, why not Penner. He's not physical but he can protect a puck and put up points. His style of play might be really good paired with the big german centre who can do the same. And again, cheap.

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#57 HallFever
June 24 2014, 12:35PM
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Ekblad please and thank you.

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#58 Harry
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wintoon wrote:

I absolutely support the concept of acquiring the #5 pick in addition to the #3 pick we already have. Furthermore, the scenario of getting both Draisaitl and Ekblad would be great.

However if we have the #3 and #5 pick and have given up Perron for the #5, then even if Calgary drafts Ekblad or Draisaitl in the #4 slot, we still have the opportunity to end up with either Draisaitl or Ekblad plus either Dal Colle or Virtanen. Either option is appealing as we would either plug two gaping holes with Draisaitl #2C and Ekblad #1 or #2 D or alternatively reconfiguring our top 6 forwards by adding size and more scoring punch (Dal Colle or Virtanen).

Either scenario sees the Oilers as being a much tougher group to play against while having further increased the talent level. The key is that Perron is probably at the highest level he ever will be in terms of value to the NYIs. He is a left winger with some grit who could fit very nicely with Tavares and Okoposo.

Ill never understand the trade Perron argument. He is completely different than any other top 9 fwd the oilers have. He has a very good contract. And your trading him for Dal Colle!!??

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#59 oilerjed
June 24 2014, 12:38PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Isn't it funny that our third overall pick could probably get us an established 1st pairing dman like phaneuf, and Ekblad might never even turn out to be as good as him.

Are you really sure that Dion is the first pairing dman we need? That is not a trade I would make.

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#60 the finn
June 24 2014, 12:41PM
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I think like this:

Trade this years first pick for something that will make an impact right off the blocks.

Go for Brand Richards and Boyle out of NYR as centres, gives you size and grit for 2nd and 3rd line.

Give NYR the 1st round pick and Lander

From NYR Richards and Boyle + their 2014 2nd round pick.

The 2015 draft is important, this year not so as it's not a very deep draft year.

I like Stralman in NYR as well but it might not be possible to get him, but if one could get him and Nikitin as D-men I would say you have improved the team big time.

If Stralman ends up as free agent offer him a 3-5 year deal in the range of 2,5-3,5 million a year depending contract length, with a bonus clause as well. He is looking for stability for the family and that is what you have to satisfy than to get the best out of him.

Nikitin can also be signed long term as he is not too old yet and should be good for at least a 3 year contract.

Will give you to guys that can pass the puck and Stralman is a good shut down player as well.It will also buy you time to get the young d-men prospects to get the time needed in AHL to develop + a good trade seat down the line when the "young guys" is ready to take the step full time. Want buy you a Stanley Cup in two years but it will get you to the play offs rather quick.

There will still be salary cap left after this and trade value left as well to go for something real big if the opportunity would show.

My 5 cent worth of thoughts that is

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#61 Will
June 24 2014, 12:42PM
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RomZ wrote:

Agreed,

Unfortunately patience is in short order in a city like this. We have too many glaring holes to fix in one season. I think Mac T would be best off trying to collect key pieces over several off seaons just like Lombardi did with the Kings. The playoffs are a pipedream for the current roster.

I think the team can realistically make a 10-15 point improvement, just based off a solid tandem of Scrivens, and Fasth.

Yeah, in the lockout with Kruger, the Oilers finished poor, but at least it wasn't 29th or 30th. It looked like they were at least making strides in the right direction. They could beat any team on any given night that year, even the big ones like the Kings. But then Dubnyk just sunk the world this year. I went to a lot of games in that first month and remember seeing the shot clock was more even, the even strength goals were way better, Ryan Whitney wasn't on the team, our face off wins were better. It just seemed like all the underlying numbers were there. The team would lose by one goal on a score of 6 to 5. Game after game I felt so bad for the forwards as they must have been thinking what more can we possibly do to win, at some point our goalie has to stop a puck.

Some of that falls on Eakins, and lots falls on Dubnyk. So, with a better Tandem, and a better coaching staff, hopefully the team can get its powerplay back on track and enjoy some decent goal tending.

I am not getting my hopes up, as that ship sailed years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if like Colorado, the Oilers were suddenly good. And all the pundits rushed to try and figure out why. And then they say, oh, wait they have the best LW in the entire league on their team, and hey look at all these other guys.

Goal tending and power play. Those two things could put this team right back in it.

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#62 Harry
June 24 2014, 12:45PM
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the finn wrote:

I think like this:

Trade this years first pick for something that will make an impact right off the blocks.

Go for Brand Richards and Boyle out of NYR as centres, gives you size and grit for 2nd and 3rd line.

Give NYR the 1st round pick and Lander

From NYR Richards and Boyle + their 2014 2nd round pick.

The 2015 draft is important, this year not so as it's not a very deep draft year.

I like Stralman in NYR as well but it might not be possible to get him, but if one could get him and Nikitin as D-men I would say you have improved the team big time.

If Stralman ends up as free agent offer him a 3-5 year deal in the range of 2,5-3,5 million a year depending contract length, with a bonus clause as well. He is looking for stability for the family and that is what you have to satisfy than to get the best out of him.

Nikitin can also be signed long term as he is not too old yet and should be good for at least a 3 year contract.

Will give you to guys that can pass the puck and Stralman is a good shut down player as well.It will also buy you time to get the young d-men prospects to get the time needed in AHL to develop + a good trade seat down the line when the "young guys" is ready to take the step full time. Want buy you a Stanley Cup in two years but it will get you to the play offs rather quick.

There will still be salary cap left after this and trade value left as well to go for something real big if the opportunity would show.

My 5 cent worth of thoughts that is

Thats exactly what its worth, 5 cents. Richards and Boyle are both free agents. So your giving them 3rd overall for what? Negotiating rights.

However one way or another I do love the idea of Boyle on the Oilers

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#63 Wintoon
June 24 2014, 12:46PM
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Harry wrote:

Ill never understand the trade Perron argument. He is completely different than any other top 9 fwd the oilers have. He has a very good contract. And your trading him for Dal Colle!!??

Not necessarily Dal Colle. As my previous post said, Dal Colle or Virtanen. Both of these players have scoring ability and are larger than Perron. They would both match up well in our conference and both have speed. Virtanen was one of the highest scoring draft eligible players this past year and plays very physically.

If we also got Draisaitl then we could be looking at a line of Virtanen, Draisaitl and Yakupov as our second scoring line. That would create serious match up problems for most teams in the NHL.

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#64 Oilcan
June 24 2014, 12:47PM
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the finn wrote:

I think like this:

Trade this years first pick for something that will make an impact right off the blocks.

Go for Brand Richards and Boyle out of NYR as centres, gives you size and grit for 2nd and 3rd line.

Give NYR the 1st round pick and Lander

From NYR Richards and Boyle + their 2014 2nd round pick.

The 2015 draft is important, this year not so as it's not a very deep draft year.

I like Stralman in NYR as well but it might not be possible to get him, but if one could get him and Nikitin as D-men I would say you have improved the team big time.

If Stralman ends up as free agent offer him a 3-5 year deal in the range of 2,5-3,5 million a year depending contract length, with a bonus clause as well. He is looking for stability for the family and that is what you have to satisfy than to get the best out of him.

Nikitin can also be signed long term as he is not too old yet and should be good for at least a 3 year contract.

Will give you to guys that can pass the puck and Stralman is a good shut down player as well.It will also buy you time to get the young d-men prospects to get the time needed in AHL to develop + a good trade seat down the line when the "young guys" is ready to take the step full time. Want buy you a Stanley Cup in two years but it will get you to the play offs rather quick.

There will still be salary cap left after this and trade value left as well to go for something real big if the opportunity would show.

My 5 cent worth of thoughts that is

Haha, ya stralman wouldn't worry about losing 10 million over that contract term....but apparently you can trade for bought out players and ufas so what do I know.

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#65 misfit
June 24 2014, 12:48PM
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If Florida and Buffalo remain at #1 and #2, then I could see a situation where Ekblad is available at #3. If Florida moves their pick, I would imagine Ekblad is gone by 3 (yeah, I know Van wants Reinhart).

So if we have the choice between Ekblad and Draisaitl, then I can't see any way we don't take the defenseman. I think Draisaitl fills a bigger need, but Ekblad is just too much to pass on.

IF Draisaitl is sitting at 5 and the Islanders are open to moving the pick, I'd be all over such a move. If Yakupov is the target, I'd need more than the #5 soming back. Perron would be on the table (begrudgingly), as would Gagner, but I doubt either gets it on their own. And while our young D have value in a trade, they'd probably do little to help the Islanders' need for the "here and now".

As much as I like the idea of adding both Ekblad and Draisaitl, I'm not a fan of making our on-ice product worse for next year. I might just sit tight with Ekblad and use some of our non-roster tradable assets you mentioned to add a top 6 forward or two if the cost to acquire the #5 is too dear.

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#66 bluetada
June 24 2014, 12:53PM
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the finn wrote:

I think like this:

Trade this years first pick for something that will make an impact right off the blocks.

Go for Brand Richards and Boyle out of NYR as centres, gives you size and grit for 2nd and 3rd line.

Give NYR the 1st round pick and Lander

From NYR Richards and Boyle + their 2014 2nd round pick.

The 2015 draft is important, this year not so as it's not a very deep draft year.

I like Stralman in NYR as well but it might not be possible to get him, but if one could get him and Nikitin as D-men I would say you have improved the team big time.

If Stralman ends up as free agent offer him a 3-5 year deal in the range of 2,5-3,5 million a year depending contract length, with a bonus clause as well. He is looking for stability for the family and that is what you have to satisfy than to get the best out of him.

Nikitin can also be signed long term as he is not too old yet and should be good for at least a 3 year contract.

Will give you to guys that can pass the puck and Stralman is a good shut down player as well.It will also buy you time to get the young d-men prospects to get the time needed in AHL to develop + a good trade seat down the line when the "young guys" is ready to take the step full time. Want buy you a Stanley Cup in two years but it will get you to the play offs rather quick.

There will still be salary cap left after this and trade value left as well to go for something real big if the opportunity would show.

My 5 cent worth of thoughts that is

You really should spend more time reading the newspaper or watching TV sports news before you post. Why would you trade assets to NYR for Richards when they have already bought him out and he is a UFA ?

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#67 bluetada
June 24 2014, 12:53PM
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the finn wrote:

I think like this:

Trade this years first pick for something that will make an impact right off the blocks.

Go for Brand Richards and Boyle out of NYR as centres, gives you size and grit for 2nd and 3rd line.

Give NYR the 1st round pick and Lander

From NYR Richards and Boyle + their 2014 2nd round pick.

The 2015 draft is important, this year not so as it's not a very deep draft year.

I like Stralman in NYR as well but it might not be possible to get him, but if one could get him and Nikitin as D-men I would say you have improved the team big time.

If Stralman ends up as free agent offer him a 3-5 year deal in the range of 2,5-3,5 million a year depending contract length, with a bonus clause as well. He is looking for stability for the family and that is what you have to satisfy than to get the best out of him.

Nikitin can also be signed long term as he is not too old yet and should be good for at least a 3 year contract.

Will give you to guys that can pass the puck and Stralman is a good shut down player as well.It will also buy you time to get the young d-men prospects to get the time needed in AHL to develop + a good trade seat down the line when the "young guys" is ready to take the step full time. Want buy you a Stanley Cup in two years but it will get you to the play offs rather quick.

There will still be salary cap left after this and trade value left as well to go for something real big if the opportunity would show.

My 5 cent worth of thoughts that is

You really should spend more time reading the newspaper or watching TV sports news before you post. Why would you trade assets to NYR for Richards when they have already bought him out and he is a UFA ?

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#68 RomZ
June 24 2014, 12:54PM
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Will wrote:

Yeah, in the lockout with Kruger, the Oilers finished poor, but at least it wasn't 29th or 30th. It looked like they were at least making strides in the right direction. They could beat any team on any given night that year, even the big ones like the Kings. But then Dubnyk just sunk the world this year. I went to a lot of games in that first month and remember seeing the shot clock was more even, the even strength goals were way better, Ryan Whitney wasn't on the team, our face off wins were better. It just seemed like all the underlying numbers were there. The team would lose by one goal on a score of 6 to 5. Game after game I felt so bad for the forwards as they must have been thinking what more can we possibly do to win, at some point our goalie has to stop a puck.

Some of that falls on Eakins, and lots falls on Dubnyk. So, with a better Tandem, and a better coaching staff, hopefully the team can get its powerplay back on track and enjoy some decent goal tending.

I am not getting my hopes up, as that ship sailed years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if like Colorado, the Oilers were suddenly good. And all the pundits rushed to try and figure out why. And then they say, oh, wait they have the best LW in the entire league on their team, and hey look at all these other guys.

Goal tending and power play. Those two things could put this team right back in it.

We seem to be on the same wavelength. These next 3 weeks will be intriguing to say the least. I am very curious to see what transpires, but like you and countless other oiler fans I don't have high hopes.

Sometimes being an oiler fan feels like a form of self torture lol.

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#69 Lochenzo
June 24 2014, 12:55PM
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You're delaying the rebuild by trading current roster players for draft picks such as that Islanders' pick. I don't think anybody wants to delay a return to the playoffs any further.

At the same time, there are sufficient holes in the core group of young players, that I don't think you can pass on one of these top 4 prospects. Adding a young 2nd line centre or a top pairing Dman to the mix of current young talent is just too compeling and probably necessary if this team intends to compete for the Stanley Cup.

#statusquo

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#70 vetinari
June 24 2014, 12:56PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

MacT would need to break out the orchidometer if he EVER thinks he can pull off two of the top five in this years draft ... most likely he'd have to give up one of the golden children and that IS getting more youth than the youth the oilers already have and then there's Yak trade value for sure ...

if the oilers draft Draisaitl that's mission accomplished ...

Just can't see MacT coming home with two top 5 picks in this year's draft. At best, I could see him trading up to #1 for Ekblad but I think that the cost would be pretty high (our #3, likely a starter (Gagner?) and likely a blue chip prospect (Klefbom? Marincin?).

As it is, the top 10 teams are all making noise about moving up, moving down or heaping praise on every player under the sun in one colossal game of "chicken" to see who blinks first. I would be surprised if more than one team moves or switches a top 10 pick in this year's draft.

My prediction: MacT keeps the pick, maybe does a secondary deal or two for some veteran role players (Hendricks, Ference or Gordon caliber) and comes home happy with one of Ekblad/Draisatal/Bennett in a Oilers' uniform.

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#71 Zarny
June 24 2014, 01:06PM
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@Will

It's revisionist history to say the Oilers could beat any team on any given night during the lockout season under Krueger.

That simply wasn't the case. They finished 19-22-7 and went on a 10 game losing streak that year. Last year, the difference was simply the first 21 games where the Oilers started 4-15-2. Over the remaining 61 games Edmonton was 25-29-7 which is virtually identical to the results under Krueger.

The PP is also a red herring. The Oilers scored 46 PPG over 271 opportunities last year (17%). To match the PP production during the lockout year (20%) they only needed 8 more PPG over 82 games. 8 more goals won't do squat to move a team up the standings.

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#72 kdunbar
June 24 2014, 01:16PM
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misfit wrote:

If Florida and Buffalo remain at #1 and #2, then I could see a situation where Ekblad is available at #3. If Florida moves their pick, I would imagine Ekblad is gone by 3 (yeah, I know Van wants Reinhart).

So if we have the choice between Ekblad and Draisaitl, then I can't see any way we don't take the defenseman. I think Draisaitl fills a bigger need, but Ekblad is just too much to pass on.

IF Draisaitl is sitting at 5 and the Islanders are open to moving the pick, I'd be all over such a move. If Yakupov is the target, I'd need more than the #5 soming back. Perron would be on the table (begrudgingly), as would Gagner, but I doubt either gets it on their own. And while our young D have value in a trade, they'd probably do little to help the Islanders' need for the "here and now".

As much as I like the idea of adding both Ekblad and Draisaitl, I'm not a fan of making our on-ice product worse for next year. I might just sit tight with Ekblad and use some of our non-roster tradable assets you mentioned to add a top 6 forward or two if the cost to acquire the #5 is too dear.

These are my exact thoughts and worth repeating.

I would even consider to offer Gagner, OKC D prospect and the 2015 first for Josh Baily and the #5.

Not sure I want to give up the 2015 first though as I do not see us making the play-offs.

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#73 #ThereGoesTheOilers
June 24 2014, 01:20PM
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I really don't think Ekblad will be there at 3, but even if he is we should probably draft center.

Is there any chance though that the teams ahead of us are completely delusional and leave Ekblad and Reinhart to choose from?

To me, that's a more loaded choice.

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#74 Will
June 24 2014, 01:23PM
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Zarny wrote:

@Will

It's revisionist history to say the Oilers could beat any team on any given night during the lockout season under Krueger.

That simply wasn't the case. They finished 19-22-7 and went on a 10 game losing streak that year. Last year, the difference was simply the first 21 games where the Oilers started 4-15-2. Over the remaining 61 games Edmonton was 25-29-7 which is virtually identical to the results under Krueger.

The PP is also a red herring. The Oilers scored 46 PPG over 271 opportunities last year (17%). To match the PP production during the lockout year (20%) they only needed 8 more PPG over 82 games. 8 more goals won't do squat to move a team up the standings.

Thanks for the numbers to poke holes in my view of how the last few years have gone. I'm surprised that 8 goals is the difference between a power play that is top 3 in the league, to one of the worst in the league. That seems like people are making a huge deal of nothing if thats the actual spread between first and last.

Would it be fair to say, as I originally wanted to, that if both our power play and penalty kill were at the point they were under Kruger, that would lead to more points. And combined with decent goal tending the team could be in for a marked improvement. Maybe not Cup finals, but a marked improvement from last year?

Also, I think the point I was making is that under Kruger, the special teams were great, but they couldn't win a face-off, their even strength scoring was brutal, and they constantly were outshot.

Under Eakins, at least for a while at the beginning of the year, they were not getting outshot, they had a good face off win percentage (which tanked right around the time Gagner came back and took over for Arco, hmmmm), their possession numbers were better, and their even strength scoring was greatly improved. But their powerplay and penalty kill sank, and the goal tending was the worst it has been in years.

As for beating any team on any night, this year there were just nights you'd go into Rexall and know the team was going to get blown out, no hope. Second last game against LA is a good example. But under Kruger, he felt like a coach that knew his team was likely not as good, and did everything he could to try and win. He tried everything he could, but this year there were games that felt like they were over before they began.

Am I just coming at this from personal experience and opinion, or would you agree with any of this?

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#75 Will
June 24 2014, 01:24PM
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@bluetada

Boyle is also a free agent. Maybe Jay Feaster is playing armchair GM on ON? Trying to give a team something for nothing?

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#76 bluetada
June 24 2014, 01:41PM
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@kdunbar

I'm in agreement with misfit. However i disagree with you as i would not complicate the deal by asking for Bailey in addition to #5. If any one of the top 3 centers are still available at #5 i would offer the Isles any one of Gags (for obvious reasons), Yak (but ONLY because i firmly believe that 1 more season of Eakins publicly shaming him in post game press conferences will send him scurrying back to Russia and we will lose a perennial 35+ goal scorer; so either Eakins goes or we better get what we can for Yak now and let him develop elsewhere), or Perron (because having a tag-team 1-2 line center with RNH is much more valuable than a second line winger). I would offer to throw in any Barons prospect of their choosing not named Marincin, Klefbom, Lander or Arcobello and if i had to i would also add Buffalo's 3rd rd pick this year BUT absolutely not our 2015 #1 under any scenario unless we have the option to defer it to 2016.

These moves would also have the benefit of leaving lots of cap space to fill other holes in our lineup.

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#77 A-Mc
June 24 2014, 01:53PM
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Oil Can wrote:

I agree with you that the real target should be Buffalo, if Ekblad does not go first. Buffalo already has two first round selections for 2015 so offer them straight up our first in 2015 for their first ( second over all ) this year and then take the right shooting defenceman and the centre, and don't look back.

This might have serious value. Having 3 1sts next year + a good chance that a couple of them are top 5.. that's tremendous value.

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#78 Quicksilver ballet
June 24 2014, 02:13PM
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Welcome to the dark side Allan, even though you're just visiting. This should've been the chosen route starting 4 yrs ago. In with entry level players, out with underperforming overpaid veterans.

This rebuild is obviously failing while they sit idly by taking the minimum due to them every summer. They would've been further ahead aggressively going after a second lotto pick instead of chasing players who'd never come here to begin with, unless they're forced to. The need A type players to come in. The current state has even the B and C level guys staying away on mass.

The patience wearing thin thing. It's pure rubbish. Screw the fans that grow impatient, someone else will take their place in a heartbeat. Their input is irrelevant with the way things are being done. They'll buy anything no matter how bad it is, and them complain the portion size is too small.

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#79 Tikkanese
June 24 2014, 02:40PM
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I'm not so sure Buffalo passes up on Ekblad.

They already have at Center: Tyler Ennis, Cody Hodgson, Mikael Grigorenko, Zemgus Girgensons, Cory Conacher, Luke Adam(ahl all star)

All young and lots of potential. Unless some of them have been moved to the wing already, I don't see an organizational need at Center for the Sabres.

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#80 Gk1980
June 24 2014, 02:53PM
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In the dark days, Taylor and migrant drafts they should have went hard trying to squire more first rounders. The guys would then get to develop eat the same time. This should have been the plan.

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#81 Walter Sobchak
June 24 2014, 03:05PM
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Harry wrote:

Ill never understand the trade Perron argument. He is completely different than any other top 9 fwd the oilers have. He has a very good contract. And your trading him for Dal Colle!!??

I'll tell you why.

VALUE!! He has it, is also on a short contract despite being a nice contract, what do you think the chances of the Oilers resigning him and what does the cap look like in two years with the Oilers overpaying NOW for UFA's and bottom six players?

Not to mention the Oilers have an abundance of wingers. That's why.

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#82 Walter Sobchak
June 24 2014, 03:07PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Welcome to the dark side Allan, even though you're just visiting. This should've been the chosen route starting 4 yrs ago. In with entry level players, out with underperforming overpaid veterans.

This rebuild is obviously failing while they sit idly by taking the minimum due to them every summer. They would've been further ahead aggressively going after a second lotto pick instead of chasing players who'd never come here to begin with, unless they're forced to. The need A type players to come in. The current state has even the B and C level guys staying away on mass.

The patience wearing thin thing. It's pure rubbish. Screw the fans that grow impatient, someone else will take their place in a heartbeat. Their input is irrelevant with the way things are being done. They'll buy anything no matter how bad it is, and them complain the portion size is too small.

AMEN brother!

Remember when Tambellini could have had Seguin & Hall for Hemsky & Eberle as per Oil change.

Stupid, just stupid!

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#83 bluetada
June 24 2014, 03:15PM
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A-Mc wrote:

This might have serious value. Having 3 1sts next year + a good chance that a couple of them are top 5.. that's tremendous value.

I hate being the one to prick this balloon, but think about what you're suggesting. Do you seriously believe that Buffalo would allow us 2 top 3 picks this year for the mere possibility that they MIGHT get 2 top 5 picks next year?

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#84 Quicksilver ballet
June 24 2014, 03:24PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

AMEN brother!

Remember when Tambellini could have had Seguin & Hall for Hemsky & Eberle as per Oil change.

Stupid, just stupid!

That Hemsky and Eberle for the second pick in that 2010 draft looks like a bargain now.

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#85 Harry
June 24 2014, 03:27PM
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Wintoon wrote:

Not necessarily Dal Colle. As my previous post said, Dal Colle or Virtanen. Both of these players have scoring ability and are larger than Perron. They would both match up well in our conference and both have speed. Virtanen was one of the highest scoring draft eligible players this past year and plays very physically.

If we also got Draisaitl then we could be looking at a line of Virtanen, Draisaitl and Yakupov as our second scoring line. That would create serious match up problems for most teams in the NHL.

Still makes no sense to me. Why would we trade an established top 6 forward for a player who might score close to 30 goals like Perron just did.

We have one of the youngest forward groups in the league and dont need to add two 18 years olds who might produce at the rate of Perron. Not to mention his exceptional contract.

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#86 Spoils
June 24 2014, 03:33PM
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The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to draft a center. As nice as it would be to have a future pairing of Nurse/Ekblad, it would be just as enticing if not better to have a One-Two punch of Nuge and Draisaitl down the middle.

We Don't have any impact forward prospects in the pipeline, and we have many D prospects on the bubble. Draisaitl fits the bill of organizational need while simultaneously fulfilling the best player available to us at the #3 spot.

I say we need both to win the cup. The #1D and the big #2C.

draft the D this year because it takes longer

what about trading to acquire #2C - get someone proven maybe a slightly older - a - #2C from a team that won in the past but wants to rebuild - maybe a Krejci type guy. give up next years best pick + a good asset that doesn't fit our team (gags if he can have a bounce back year).

Get that last intangible leadership piece right as we are ready to make the run.

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#87 Harry
June 24 2014, 03:36PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I'll tell you why.

VALUE!! He has it, is also on a short contract despite being a nice contract, what do you think the chances of the Oilers resigning him and what does the cap look like in two years with the Oilers overpaying NOW for UFA's and bottom six players?

Not to mention the Oilers have an abundance of wingers. That's why.

If you think another 18 year old is the answer over Perron then roll me up some of that shjt your smokin.

He has more value to the Oilers than an 18 year old "maybe". Not to mention of course the contract and the fact that Mac hand picked him himself. Hes not going anywhere

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#88 Quicksilver ballet
June 24 2014, 04:13PM
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@Harry

With the playoffs 3 or 4 yrs away, you think Perron is going to wait for the Oilers to get their ship together?

He's one season away from becoming a rental/another Hemsky. He's worth something to a contending team, and he's not going to re-sign here. Get what you can for him soon.

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#89 RomZ
June 24 2014, 05:02PM
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Spoils wrote:

I say we need both to win the cup. The #1D and the big #2C.

draft the D this year because it takes longer

what about trading to acquire #2C - get someone proven maybe a slightly older - a - #2C from a team that won in the past but wants to rebuild - maybe a Krejci type guy. give up next years best pick + a good asset that doesn't fit our team (gags if he can have a bounce back year).

Get that last intangible leadership piece right as we are ready to make the run.

At the end of the day. I am in favor of doing whatever it takes to see this team improve sooner rather than later.

In my mind Hall and Nuge are the only untouchables; everyone else is fair game.

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#90 SlowTalker
June 24 2014, 05:03PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

With the playoffs 3 or 4 yrs away, you think Perron is going to wait for the Oilers to get their ship together?

He's one season away from becoming a rental/another Hemsky. He's worth something to a contending team, and he's not going to re-sign here. Get what you can for him soon.

This is exactly why Kesler is leaving the Canucks. The truly pathetic part of that situation is that he gets a standing O from the Canuck fans.

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#91 Harry
June 24 2014, 08:46PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

With the playoffs 3 or 4 yrs away, you think Perron is going to wait for the Oilers to get their ship together?

He's one season away from becoming a rental/another Hemsky. He's worth something to a contending team, and he's not going to re-sign here. Get what you can for him soon.

How are you so sure ge wont resign and that we are 3-4 years away? Do you know Perron? Does he hang out with you after practice? Your rotten negative brain is clouding your terrible judgement in every way. Do yourself a favour and just let it go. Start paying attention again once preseason starts

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#92 Harry
June 24 2014, 08:55PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

With the playoffs 3 or 4 yrs away, you think Perron is going to wait for the Oilers to get their ship together?

He's one season away from becoming a rental/another Hemsky. He's worth something to a contending team, and he's not going to re-sign here. Get what you can for him soon.

Help me out man. Im seriously trying to understand your logic. Your saying that whenever the Oilers have a usefull pending ufa that theyre supposed to trade them for unproven 18 year olds? Come on, even you cant think thats a good idea.

Rediculous

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#93 Quicksilver ballet
June 24 2014, 09:28PM
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@Harry

I'm coming at it from a different angle. This rebuild, is like no other rebuild before in the NHL. The Oilers are in a B or even a C market which greatly deters UFA's and even others to come here in a trade. Substandard market and a losing culture, is the norm here now. Till they develop their own "actual NHL players", why would anyone else want to come here? Careers are short enough as it is. Who wants to waste all their RFA years waiting for their team to even become remotely competitive.

The troops aren't coming Harry. Even the B and C free agents are saying no to Edmonton. Last seasons 28th place finish confirms this rebuild is failing badly under this management group. Taking the minimum due to them every summer has come home to roost. This is a good place to start your NHL career, but after you've done your time and are UFA eligible, playing hockey that doesn't matter is the last place players want to be, especially with a lengthy losing culture hockey club.

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#94 Walter Sobchak
June 24 2014, 10:54PM
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Harry wrote:

If you think another 18 year old is the answer over Perron then roll me up some of that shjt your smokin.

He has more value to the Oilers than an 18 year old "maybe". Not to mention of course the contract and the fact that Mac hand picked him himself. Hes not going anywhere

Thank you for making my argument for me about Perron, it's what I call the Hemsky syndrome.

If you hang onto Perron going into his last year of a contract then you've lost that leverage against every other NHL GM and the player.

I care about WHO Perron gets traded for and I care about the VALUE in what comes back.

If you trade Perron for a chance at both Draisaitl & Ekblad as the article is hypothetically mentioning then long term it's a better deal, short term you miss the NHL experience of Perron, take the good with the bad and long term the Oilers are better.

Your living in the NOW not three years when the Oilers will be realistically expected to compete.......in two years Perrons deal runs out.

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#95 Harry
June 24 2014, 11:05PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Thank you for making my argument for me about Perron, it's what I call the Hemsky syndrome.

If you hang onto Perron going into his last year of a contract then you've lost that leverage against every other NHL GM and the player.

I care about WHO Perron gets traded for and I care about the VALUE in what comes back.

If you trade Perron for a chance at both Draisaitl & Ekblad as the article is hypothetically mentioning then long term it's a better deal, short term you miss the NHL experience of Perron, take the good with the bad and long term the Oilers are better.

Your living in the NOW not three years when the Oilers will be realistically expected to compete.......in two years Perrons deal runs out.

Theres just one massive problem with your logic. Perron is already proven himself, and look at his line mates from this past season. There are no guarantees that your getting players at the draft who can equal his already proven production and grittyness. Furthermore, Perron is still very young and has many productive years ahead of himself.

If the Oilers use your logic they will never make the playoffs. And where does it end? If they draft both and one doesnt pan out do they trade established players for draft picks. That to me seems to be the definition of an infinibuild

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#96 Walter Sobchak
June 24 2014, 11:11PM
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Harry wrote:

How are you so sure ge wont resign and that we are 3-4 years away? Do you know Perron? Does he hang out with you after practice? Your rotten negative brain is clouding your terrible judgement in every way. Do yourself a favour and just let it go. Start paying attention again once preseason starts

You don't know if he will resign!

But you also don't know if he will, that's the point!

You watch the Oilers read the blogs and I can assume you follow it all very closely, if you think the Oilers are about to turn a corner next year or even the year after then I got some bad news for you.

Do we expect reasonable progress......absolutely, has there been reasonable progress?

The Oilers have massive holes, by the time the Oilers are ready to make the playoffs and compete Perrons deal will have already ended, we've seen by hanging onto Hemsky to long the actual VALUE a player will have going into his contract year and what you can expect in a trade.

Sell high is why good teams stay good.

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#97 hagargt
June 25 2014, 01:36AM
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Trade this year's first, yak, and one of our best dman prospects to buffalo for their 2015 first round, and Myers. That would leave buff with 2 top 3 picks this year, and Yak to build on never mind a quality D prospect. We will take their current good Dman, and have a very good chance at the top two pics next year. Not to mention our own possible chance at a top 5 next year. I want to see some moves that look lopsided in the wrong way, but can really help both teams. Gambles pay off.

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#98 Loweblows
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I'm coming at it from a different angle. This rebuild, is like no other rebuild before in the NHL. The Oilers are in a B or even a C market which greatly deters UFA's and even others to come here in a trade. Substandard market and a losing culture, is the norm here now. Till they develop their own "actual NHL players", why would anyone else want to come here? Careers are short enough as it is. Who wants to waste all their RFA years waiting for their team to even become remotely competitive.

The troops aren't coming Harry. Even the B and C free agents are saying no to Edmonton. Last seasons 28th place finish confirms this rebuild is failing badly under this management group. Taking the minimum due to them every summer has come home to roost. This is a good place to start your NHL career, but after you've done your time and are UFA eligible, playing hockey that doesn't matter is the last place players want to be, especially with a lengthy losing culture hockey club.

Do you have a job? Fire Eakins. Have a nice summer.

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#99 Mikeoxbig
June 25 2014, 09:32AM
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Does anyone actually think that Calgary would pass on Leon if he was there at 4?????!!!

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#100 the finn
June 26 2014, 09:06AM
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@Harry

I am not any sort of “full time blogger” and I did not know about the buyout of Richards’s contract.

I missed out the fact Boyle is a free agent as I thought he was negotiating with Rangers and would become a free agent by 1st of July, sorry for that.

Sorry for my lack of knowledge on the player’s status, never the less I have an opinion on what players might or might not fit in the Edmonton rooster and I do not claim to be “god” just to have some thoughts, which might be right or wrong, think he has around 2 million/season right now.

After the Nikitin signing I still think Stralman should be approached if not re-signed by NYR prior 1st of July. If he would end up costing 4-5 million a year, still sign him long term as he will fit in well, if he comes cheaper it’s a bonus (and one should open “cheaper”, I might not know a lot about hockey but I know a thing or two about negotiations as I have been working with billion dollar projects, internationally, for number of years). I do not think NYR will offer the guy 5 million a year even if he had a great season but I might be wrong on that.

Fayne might be an alternative that comes cheaper but he is more of a shut-down guy and if Nikitin can’t get his “offensive” numbers back you will have two players that are very similar so I still vote for Stralman if he is available that is. Nikitin and Stralman can move puck and are decent on the defense and can both do power play as well as some penalty killing (especially Stralman I would say)

In regards to Richards and Boyle, I think both will fit in well in Edmonton but doubt Richards would sign here so try to go after Statnsy then if he is available comes 1st of July.

I am sure Eakins will love Boyle’s work ethics and Richards would bring at least 40-45 points a season so it would be an improvement. Would also give the team some stability to develop the prospects in AHL for a couple of years and then slowly phase those guys into the NHL level.

Anyway I am just an “amateur” in this “game” with some basic hockey knowledge

I just hope Edmonton will have a great season or at least a much better one then the last 5-6 years and at least stay as a contender for a playoff spot into the later part of the season and maybe make it with a bit of luck and a lot of hard work. There were a lot of 1 and 2 goal defeats last season and not much of luck in overtime and shootout games. If some of those games can be turned over this year it should look much better.

There is a lot of positives right now and also the coaching staff has been shuffled around which will be a big plus. Let them stay on for 2 more years to prove them self as the young guys do not need a “5th philosophy” to deal with in the coming 2 years. Eakins might not come across as very “nice guy” but I do believe he has some good hockey knowledge. Sometimes one wonders if his focus on the guy’s physical condition might go too far. It’s a long season and if you do not have depth enough the guys will not get time to recover, if you can run 4 lines every night it will help.

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