Three scoring lines: They really mean it

Jonathan Willis
June 30 2014 01:01PM

Craig MAcTavish5

The trade of Sam Gagner for Teddy Purcell was a positive one for the Oilers in a lot of ways. It added a useful top-six forward to the mix, someone with a history of strong possession numbers and good scoring totals. As an added bonus, it added a 6’3” winger who has missed all of three games in four seasons.

It also signaled, more convincingly than the words of management or the reports from those privy to inside information could, that Edmonton is committed to running three scoring lines at forward next season.

The Wing!

Purcell has played both left wing and right wing over his NHL career, but he’s a right-handed shot and is probably best-suited to the starboard side. At that position the Oilers currently have Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov; neither of whom is well-suited to a line tasked with heavy defensive responsibilities.

Over at left wing, the situation isn’t much different. Taylor Hall is a dynamic offensive player, even if he has a history of being used against quality opponents; ditto for David Perron, albeit in a lesser capacity.

So: Either Edmonton plans to burn a winger with legitimate offensive ability in a defensive zone role (as it did last year with Ales Hemsky) or the team really does intend to use its fourth line as a defensive unit in the same way that the Blackhawks and Rangers did last year, the way that the Canucks pioneered under Alain Vigneault. The Oilers have the personnel to employ the fourth line that way, and it would free up the top-nine to have more offensive focus.

What Does This Say About Free Agency?

As I see it, the Oilers’ current roster needs at least one more quality forward to make three scoring lines work, and in a perfect world, two more. Aside from the five wingers named above, Edmonton has a trio of centre candidates for scoring line work: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl and Mark Arcobello. The addition of a left wing would round that group out to nine players, while a further centre addition would allow the Oilers the luxury of either using Arcobello as a spare or not rushing Draisaitl to the majors.

In other words, Stauffer’s comment reconciles rather well with what the Oilers have done to date and what Craig MacTavish has said in interviews.

Of course, as Jason Gregor noted earlier today, it’s important to be realistic about free agency. The goals outlined above for the Oilers are reasonable ones, but even so it’s possible that the vagaries of circumstance could prevent the team from attaining them.

A couple of other things…

Craig MacTavish7

  • The Oilers would be well-advised to put themselves in a situation where they are not banking on Leon Draisaitl to make the team out of training camp next season (particularly since, as the Gagner departure nicely demonstrates, immediate elevation to the NHL is not always in a player’s best interest). A nine-game audition would seem to be the best case scenario for both player and team, after which a more permanent decision could be made, but of course training camp will help determine that as well.
  • Purcell’s shot metrics look awfully good, and while he’s played a significant bit with Stamkos he’s actually fared better with players on other lines in that department.
  • Scott Howson was on Oilers Now on Monday and gave a nutshell bio of Purcell: “He’s got good hands, he’s a good skater, he’s got good size… I don’t think we’re getting an overly physical, abrasive player; I think we’re getting a skill player who has some size and can skate.”
  • Liam Coughlin is the fourth overage BCHL’er taken by the Oilers in the last six drafts. Kyle Bigos was taken 99th overall in 2009 out of Vernon as a 20-year-old; he’s now an ECHL’er in another organization. 5’9” Kellen Jones went 202nd overall in 2010 (again out of Vernon) and is currently with the OKC Barons on an AHL deal after finishing his college career last season. Evan Campbell went 128th overall in 2013 as a 20-year-old BCHL’er; he had an underwhelming first season in Hockey East in 2013-14 (11 points in 33 games). So while I can’t say that drafting a 20-year-old who couldn’t crack the point-per-game mark in the BCHL (in Vernon, again) is a wasted pick, it’s very fair to say that the Oilers haven’t done very much with the overage BCHL’ers they’ve grabbed and that Coughlin’s offensive totals are flat-out terrible given his age and the league he’s playing in.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Todd
June 30 2014, 02:52PM
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KozyMel wrote:

@Willis; ".. It added a useful top-six forward to the mix"??

On what team is Purcell a top 6 forward?

He was 3rd line behind J.T. Brown and Ryan Callahan in Tampa.

Even you wrote that he`s behind Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov - Taylor Hall and David Perron on the other side.

That makes him a 3rd liner - in the bottom six.

You say he`s needed as neither of the existing RWings are "well-suited to a line tasked with heavy defensive responsibilities."

Again, that's a third line role.

Are you suggesting Nail Yakupov or David Perron need to be dropped to the third line, a line most often used as the checking line?

Yakupov on a checking line??? May as well admit he was a mistake/poorly developed and trade him.

Did you even read the article? Even if you were lazy and only read the title you'd see that the supposed plan is for a scoring 3rd line.

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#52 thefoz
June 30 2014, 02:54PM
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SmythforMayor wrote:

Subban is not worth 4 consecutive first round draft picks. Would you trade Draisaitl, Nurse, Yakupov, and RNH for him?

You can bet I'd trade Riley Nash, M.A. Pouliot, Alex Plante and Sam Gagner for him.

Not to mention that adding Subban alone would grealy increase the likelihood that the Oilers won't pick in the top 10 for any of those four years.

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#53 Lowe Expectations
June 30 2014, 02:59PM
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Most if not all free agents with positive attributes want to go to a contender at best, playoff team at worst. Drafting and trading are the only realistic ways the Oilers will be able to improve the roster.

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#54 utarded
June 30 2014, 03:03PM
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I like the Purcell trade! Gags was being lead like a lamb to the sacrificial slaughter, he needed to move on and out. Purcell may have had a slumpy year last year but so did gags so that points moot. I like that Purcell only had 14 penalty mins last year. Too many dumb penalties last year that killed the momentum in the dying/critical moments of a game.

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#55 Tikkanese
June 30 2014, 03:08PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And adding Brian Boyle and Daniel Winnik won't change that.

Really?

Both Boyle and Winnik have a greater Takeaway to Giveaway ratio for their careers. Both hit a lot. Both are known for thriving in the tough areas...

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#56 Wax Man Riley
June 30 2014, 03:16PM
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Say what again wrote:

"that Coughlin’s offensive totals are flat-out terrible given his age and the league he’s playing in."

So why on Earth would they draft him?

Because Oilers

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#57 Zarny
June 30 2014, 03:17PM
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The Oilers C depth is now Nuge, Arcobello, Draisaitl, Lander and Gordon. That isn't even close. It's not even in the vicinity of close enough.

I think it's a bit of a misnomer to say Chi, LA and Van etc have 3 scoring lines. Toews is one of the best defensive C in the league. So is Kesler. The Stanley Cup contenders all have top scoring lines who can also play defense against the other team's top lines.

Hall, Nuge and Eberle need to reduce the risk in their game and learn to play 0-0 hockey against the best lines in the league. Pond hockey isn't going to win the Stanley Cup.

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#58 Evilas
June 30 2014, 03:18PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Purcell may be 6'3" but with 14 PIM and 13 hits he won't open up any ice. These guys will open up some ice and have enough skill to play top 9. I'd target these UFA's:

2C/3C - Brassard, Boyle, Winnik

3rd line wingers - Downie, Ott

For some reason people equate lack of hits and lack of PIM's as being soft. The most important thing in hockey is possession. As has been stated by many smart hockey people, having to hit means you probably don't have possession. So would you rather have Mike Brown or Ted Purcell on your team.

And face punchers don't win hockey games….

And more PIM's might mean you are undisciplined, you hurt your team more than you help it and you might be out of position or maybe you just aren't a very smart hockey player….

Purcell is a good pick up for this team, even though he is "soft" his size will create more room on the ice for his line mates.

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#59 Zarny
June 30 2014, 03:23PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Really?

Both Boyle and Winnik have a greater Takeaway to Giveaway ratio for their careers. Both hit a lot. Both are known for thriving in the tough areas...

Jeff Carter and Dustin Brown are bona fide top 3 and top 6 F.

Both Boyle and Winnik are 3rd line players at best. They might be asked to play above their head in Edm but they are not going to do what Carter and Brown can do against top 6 F competition. They just aren't that good.

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#61 Evilas
June 30 2014, 03:27PM
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Even though MacT would would like to get there this year with 3 scoring lines that in a perfect world would look something like this:

Hall-RNH-Eberle Perron-Grabovski-Purcell Kulemin-Draisaitl/Arcobello-Yakupov Hendricks-Gordon-Winnick

Ehrhoff-Petry Marincin-Schultz Nikitin-Fayne Ferrence

Its not going to happen this year, but he is getting the pieces together to have the 3 scoring lines in place by next year. The key will be to have actual NHL players on the correct lines playing the correct roles.

With the salary dump frenzy that will be happening tonight/this week I think the Oilers will be in a pretty good position by the middle of the month. I am optimistic that they will be a playoff contender this year.

Jonathan,

What do you think the line-up will look like on opening night?

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#62 KozyMel
June 30 2014, 03:29PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Three Scoring Lines - fair enough

Then they're still another winger and two centers short.......

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#63 KSC10032
June 30 2014, 03:35PM
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BTW -- JW,..

What are your plans for 2014-2015? Staying in OKC? Or was that a "one-of"?

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#64 v4ance
June 30 2014, 03:36PM
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Lots of RFAs not qualified today with so many teams crashing into and over the projected $69 million salary cap.

No real stars were let go but a lot of 2nd-3rd tier prospects who may be brought in at a bargain.

One benefit for the Oilers and every other team with cap room to spend is that the UFA market just got a lot more supply so that may dampen the contract demands from outrageous to merely bad overpays.

The more I think of it, the more I want the Oilers to try to go for Grabovski/Kulemin and Stralman with good offers but if they miss those optimal guys, wait 3-4 days and go full out on the bargain bin shopping. There's bound to be another "Mason Raymond" just looking for a contract and willing to accept $1 million for a roster spot next season.

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#65 KozyMel
June 30 2014, 03:37PM
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@Evilas

Do we really want to put a developing 18 year-old in Draisaitl on a line with a yet to be names winger and a 20 year-old winger Yakupov who's still a coaching project?

If Draisaitl makes this team I will seriously think MacT didn't do enough to obtain a gap center for the couple of years Leon will need.

He needs time playing first line minutes in Junior and the AHL to develop properly.

1-2 picks usually end up in the NHL as 18 year-olds because their teams are THAT bad.

Or, like Boston and Seguin (where he was played at wing), they can be sheltered in the line up.

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#66 Tikkanese
June 30 2014, 03:38PM
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Zarny wrote:

Jeff Carter and Dustin Brown are bona fide top 3 and top 6 F.

Both Boyle and Winnik are 3rd line players at best. They might be asked to play above their head in Edm but they are not going to do what Carter and Brown can do against top 6 F competition. They just aren't that good.

What the? I never said they were Carter or Brown. I was responding to JW saying Boyle/Winnik wouldn't be able to takeaway pucks or go to tough areas.

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#67 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2014, 03:39PM
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Zarny wrote:

The Oilers C depth is now Nuge, Arcobello, Draisaitl, Lander and Gordon. That isn't even close. It's not even in the vicinity of close enough.

I think it's a bit of a misnomer to say Chi, LA and Van etc have 3 scoring lines. Toews is one of the best defensive C in the league. So is Kesler. The Stanley Cup contenders all have top scoring lines who can also play defense against the other team's top lines.

Hall, Nuge and Eberle need to reduce the risk in their game and learn to play 0-0 hockey against the best lines in the league. Pond hockey isn't going to win the Stanley Cup.

^This^ all day.

Which is what I was afraid of.

I see no way they return Draisaitl to JR which is a bloody shame; the Oilers drafted this kid for immediate help.

Just when you think the Oilers are doing good things they revert back to stupid.

I hope for Draisaitl sake they get another center.

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#68 Tikkanese
June 30 2014, 03:41PM
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Evilas wrote:

For some reason people equate lack of hits and lack of PIM's as being soft. The most important thing in hockey is possession. As has been stated by many smart hockey people, having to hit means you probably don't have possession. So would you rather have Mike Brown or Ted Purcell on your team.

And face punchers don't win hockey games….

And more PIM's might mean you are undisciplined, you hurt your team more than you help it and you might be out of position or maybe you just aren't a very smart hockey player….

Purcell is a good pick up for this team, even though he is "soft" his size will create more room on the ice for his line mates.

The guys I listed are not face punchers. They are gritty skilled players that would give our top 9 more of well rounded mix.

Why do people automatically equate terms like "open up the ice" or "skilled grit" to facepunchers...

If you've ever watched Purcell play you would have no idea he was 6'3". I like Purcell but he by no means creates room with his size.

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#69 Will
June 30 2014, 03:43PM
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Great read. Given that Mac T said 4 or 5 and has both actively gone after and stated their looking to add one more defence, at least that leaves one, or maybe two more forwards. If by some miracle he could get a top 6 centre and a top nine LW, that would be music. Having Purcell means Ebs and Yak are going to have to compete for their minutes, not just be handed them. And if another veteran top 9 winger could be acquired, then the magical 3 scoring lines could be achieved.

I think it would be really valuable to have a soft minutes third line to do things like develop Draisaitl at a nice pace. Give struggling wingers a place to play, which also won't be a place scoring goes to die, and it would rid the team of a useless 4th line. I would go one further and say adding a guy like Booth or Winnik or Downie to the Hendricks Gordon line would be a great addition. But I feel like that would be an expensive tough minutes line, and maybe Mac T and Eakins feel like cheaper internal options will suffice.

Still hoping for better defence, which is really the key to having a line like this not get plastered. And though I am not holding my breath on Stasny, lots of teams don't have the cap room for him, lots of teams are not going to give him the chance to battle for top line duties, and not one bottom feeding team as the collection of young talent the Oilers have. I still think a player who wants to play hockey (just like Schultz) could be brought in on the delivery of lots of dollars, and on the promise that this team will be a future stanley cup champ.

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#70 Zarny
June 30 2014, 03:49PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

What the? I never said they were Carter or Brown. I was responding to JW saying Boyle/Winnik wouldn't be able to takeaway pucks or go to tough areas.

I think what JW was saying is that Boyle/Winnik can't do that against the same type of competition that Carter and Brown do...which was my point.

Accuracy of giveaway/takeaway stats aside, Boyle and Winnik aren't going to repeat those stats against the same competition Carter and Brown play against.

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#72 RexHolez
June 30 2014, 04:00PM
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I just don't understand all the talk about the forward group. gotta add a third line winger, need a second line center.... look at the defence!!! its the worst defence in the league. you can add toews, Crosby, malkin, kane and datsyuk up front and they'd still suck playing infront of the pathetic defence on this team.

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#75 Fresh Mess
June 30 2014, 04:04PM
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Fedun cut loose. Oilers.

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#76 Tikkanese
June 30 2014, 04:07PM
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Zarny wrote:

I think what JW was saying is that Boyle/Winnik can't do that against the same type of competition that Carter and Brown do...which was my point.

Accuracy of giveaway/takeaway stats aside, Boyle and Winnik aren't going to repeat those stats against the same competition Carter and Brown play against.

Well that's fine and all. My original point was that for UFA's those were the best options for that type of player. Boyle is also decent defensively and on the dot. He also scored 21 goals a couple seasons ago. He's no Carter, I didn't mean to imply that he was either, but he checks off a lot of needs for the Oilers. He's a 3C/4C in a perfect world but the Oilers don't really have the assets to trade for a stop-gap 2C to let Leon get more seasoning.

I also don't want them to open the vault long term for a Brad Richards or "going to be massively overpaid" Stastny either.

Without acquiring at least one top pairing defenceman and/or having at least one of Marincin/Klefbom/Nurse playing to their full potential ahead of schedule this season, the Oilers won't be a playoff team. So to start the season or even a full season of Boyle as the 2C then moving down when Leon is ready to take over is not the end of the world.

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#77 Evilas
June 30 2014, 04:08PM
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KozyMel wrote:

Do we really want to put a developing 18 year-old in Draisaitl on a line with a yet to be names winger and a 20 year-old winger Yakupov who's still a coaching project?

If Draisaitl makes this team I will seriously think MacT didn't do enough to obtain a gap center for the couple of years Leon will need.

He needs time playing first line minutes in Junior and the AHL to develop properly.

1-2 picks usually end up in the NHL as 18 year-olds because their teams are THAT bad.

Or, like Boston and Seguin (where he was played at wing), they can be sheltered in the line up.

Hopefully not, just saying that is how it will likely play out this season though.

This ain't my first Oilerodeo…….

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#78 MessyEH
June 30 2014, 04:09PM
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RexHolez wrote:

I just don't understand all the talk about the forward group. gotta add a third line winger, need a second line center.... look at the defence!!! its the worst defence in the league. you can add toews, Crosby, malkin, kane and datsyuk up front and they'd still suck playing infront of the pathetic defence on this team.

Defense is still our greatest weakness. But the FA options just aren't as available. And the ones that are have been talked to death. Hell, has it even been 24 hours since Gagnee was traded for a found dry cleaning slip and half a 6 inch sub.

Let us dream for awhile. Come the Christmas break we are likely discussing the top 10 prospects available at the draft.

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#79 Tikkanese
June 30 2014, 04:09PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I didn't say that either. I said they couldn't do for Edmonton what Brown and Carter do for LA because they aren't nearly as good as those two.

I didn't mean to sound like I was implying that they were. I guess we were talking past each other on that one. Haha.

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#80 KozyMel
June 30 2014, 04:10PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

^This^ all day.

Which is what I was afraid of.

I see no way they return Draisaitl to JR which is a bloody shame; the Oilers drafted this kid for immediate help.

Just when you think the Oilers are doing good things they revert back to stupid.

I hope for Draisaitl sake they get another center.

The Oilers drafted Draisaitl because he was the "best player available". It was pure luck he also fits a need ... but not today.

He's 2 years away from being NHL ready.

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#81 MessyEH
June 30 2014, 04:15PM
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I'd just like to add I always liked that Gagne kid...

error

Ganger

Gumanji

Gummy.

Good Ole Smash mouth.

You know that kid whose pants were always covered in snow.

FFS Dave Gagner's kid.

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#82 v4ance
June 30 2014, 04:18PM
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Happy thought of the day:

IF we were to go for 3 scoring lines and somehow we convinced Iginla to sign for something reasonable, the 3rd "soft minutes" line of Iggy-Draisaitl-Yakupov would be wonderful to watch.

I know, totally unrealistic, but joy, happiness and schadenfreude at the thought of so many Calgarians running out and burning their #12 jerseys.

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#83 Johnnydapunk
June 30 2014, 04:19PM
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I'm prepared for a rain of thumbs down, but maybe Del Zotto would come as he was a player that was of interest for the Oil and I don't think he would be insane money.

And this is the one that I think wouldn't be too crazy, but maybe it would be foolish, but I would really look at Philly for a trading partner.

Something crazy like Lecavalier and either Schenn or Coburn for Lander or Klefbom and Fasth. He'll even throw in Larsen as he should be signed on the cheap. My theory (and I could be crazy off here) is that it gives Philly loads of capspace as they are over as far as I know, sheds a long ish contract (Lecavalier) and gives them a decent NHL backup at a reasonable price as they only have Mason signed. The Oilers address their needs and still have plenty of room to sign a UFA goalie for a few million.

Not sure how one sided a deal like that is and even if the Philly players would agree to waive their modified NMC, though Coburn's doesn't kick in until 2015-16.

Guess we will see what happens tomorrow anyways.

Edit meant Lander or Klefbom.

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#84 Evilas
June 30 2014, 04:20PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

The guys I listed are not face punchers. They are gritty skilled players that would give our top 9 more of well rounded mix.

Why do people automatically equate terms like "open up the ice" or "skilled grit" to facepunchers...

If you've ever watched Purcell play you would have no idea he was 6'3". I like Purcell but he by no means creates room with his size.

What is grit anyway, really? Where I come from grit is the same as dirt…

I get what you are saying grit = toughness = hitting

But hitting doesn't win you puck battles, sometimes it gets you penalties, some players more than others. I think a gritty player could be a low-minute penalty guy, like Gordon.

I don't see how the players you mentioned makes the Oilers better, maybe Boyle contributes, I think there are better options out there, is all.

My bad, I didn't put face punchers in to imply that the players you suggested were that type of player. Just that often face punchers are associated with toughness and therefore grit. In the end grit doesn't win you hockey games, skill does, but the more chances you get (aka >possession=>scoring chances), the better your chances are at winning.

Regarding Purcell, I can't comment. I have not closely followed his career, I guess we will soon find out…..

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#85 Evilas
June 30 2014, 04:27PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

I'm prepared for a rain of thumbs down, but maybe Del Zotto would come as he was a player that was of interest for the Oil and I don't think he would be insane money.

And this is the one that I think wouldn't be too crazy, but maybe it would be foolish, but I would really look at Philly for a trading partner.

Something crazy like Lecavalier and either Schenn or Coburn for Lander or Klefbom and Fasth. He'll even throw in Larsen as he should be signed on the cheap. My theory (and I could be crazy off here) is that it gives Philly loads of capspace as they are over as far as I know, sheds a long ish contract (Lecavalier) and gives them a decent NHL backup at a reasonable price as they only have Mason signed. The Oilers address their needs and still have plenty of room to sign a UFA goalie for a few million.

Not sure how one sided a deal like that is and even if the Philly players would agree to waive their modified NMC, though Coburn's doesn't kick in until 2015-16.

Guess we will see what happens tomorrow anyways.

Edit meant Lander or Klefbom.

There more I think about it, there might be something to Lecavalier…but I am afraid that MacT is going to Sacrifice Petry in an exchange for Lecavalier/Coburn, but there might be more (Schenn Brothers), this could be the bold move….

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#86 Todd
June 30 2014, 04:32PM
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KozyMel wrote:

The Oilers drafted Draisaitl because he was the "best player available". It was pure luck he also fits a need ... but not today.

He's 2 years away from being NHL ready.

I'm not sure where people get the definitive matter of fact "he's not ready for the NHL" or "rushing him will ruin him".

I'm not advocating rushing him, and he may very well benefit most from another year on a terrible WHL team racking up points against kids. But declaring he isn't ready and that a jump to the NHL is a rush is baseless and just blindly following the talking points of 'not rushing and ruining your players'.

Monahan made a nice jump to the Flames last year. Was he ruined? Anze Kopitar (similar size and supposedly style to LD got 65pts his rookie year). I get Kopitar came from the SEL not WHL...

MacT should bring in another C, and make LD fight for a spot for 9 games. Personally I hope he crushes it and sticks on the team.

Slotting him in for a guaranteed spot is dumb. But proclaiming he isn't ready for the NHL for 2 years with no basis is equally as dumb.

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#87 Johnnydapunk
June 30 2014, 04:36PM
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Evilas wrote:

There more I think about it, there might be something to Lecavalier…but I am afraid that MacT is going to Sacrifice Petry in an exchange for Lecavalier/Coburn, but there might be more (Schenn Brothers), this could be the bold move….

I think Levacalier has a few years in him and could be a good veteran presence and addresses a need the Oilers have. He also has a contract that isn't terribly friendly to a cap strapped team. Throwing Schenn or Coburn in also addresses a need for the Oilers and clears more room for the Flyers. And the final bit about throwing Fasth in is that it addresses a need the Flyers have which is a cheap ish NHL backup on a relatively short easy contract.

I just see it as a win for both sides and no one really loses. The flyers get a bit of cheap low contact youth, their goalie issue solved, and room to get under and even sign a player. The Oil fill most of their needs and all that would be needed is a dependable backup, and this summer there are a lot of goalies available so it wouldn't be a challenge.

With just one trade like that, I think the Oil would be in a lot better shape, and still have cap room, and not lose anything major.

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#88 RyanCoke
June 30 2014, 05:23PM
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Would stastny turn down a 2 year 18 million dollar offer? Make a big payday for 2 years while we see if Leon can develop properly into a legit 2nd line centre.

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#89 Dog Train
June 30 2014, 05:24PM
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The Oilers should be able to sign a couple of top 9 forwards tomorrow. I'm more worried about adding at least one more Dman. Given what we had to pay for Nikitin, I can only imagine what it might cost for a better player. Let the silly season begin.

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#90 Andy P
June 30 2014, 05:33PM
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MessyEH wrote:

It was mentioned on previous threads that he had a NO TRADE CLAUSE and could refuse to be placed on waivers. Forcing a buyout.

That would be a No Movement Clause. Apparently an NTC still requires waivers.

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#91 Smokey
June 30 2014, 05:39PM
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@RyanCoke

That would be a 2.5 mil overpayment. I think 6.5 mil is top dollar. Id cringe if we gave him Clarkson money of 7 per. I'm scared stiff tomorrow that we might poon a whale.

At his age hes looking for 6-8 years of term at north of 6 mil, I think you have to give 4-5 years at 7 mil, minimum. I'd pass.

Rather have bandaids like one of the Yokinens (cough cough) at 3.5 mil. Or Grabbo at 3x5 mil.

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#92 China town man
June 30 2014, 07:35PM
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The oilers need to find player's who want to win!! And hate losing!! When the management can accomplish that the fans will also be more forgiving when the team has it's up and down,

CHOP WOOD CARRY WATER

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#93 RyanCoke
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Smokey wrote:

That would be a 2.5 mil overpayment. I think 6.5 mil is top dollar. Id cringe if we gave him Clarkson money of 7 per. I'm scared stiff tomorrow that we might poon a whale.

At his age hes looking for 6-8 years of term at north of 6 mil, I think you have to give 4-5 years at 7 mil, minimum. I'd pass.

Rather have bandaids like one of the Yokinens (cough cough) at 3.5 mil. Or Grabbo at 3x5 mil.

The key there is short term big money. Of course it is a big overpay but for only 2 years he is making 3 years worth of money. Would he turn it down? He will still be young enough to get his term payday at the end of 2 years and make more money long term.

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Will wrote:

Great read. Given that Mac T said 4 or 5 and has both actively gone after and stated their looking to add one more defence, at least that leaves one, or maybe two more forwards. If by some miracle he could get a top 6 centre and a top nine LW, that would be music. Having Purcell means Ebs and Yak are going to have to compete for their minutes, not just be handed them. And if another veteran top 9 winger could be acquired, then the magical 3 scoring lines could be achieved.

I think it would be really valuable to have a soft minutes third line to do things like develop Draisaitl at a nice pace. Give struggling wingers a place to play, which also won't be a place scoring goes to die, and it would rid the team of a useless 4th line. I would go one further and say adding a guy like Booth or Winnik or Downie to the Hendricks Gordon line would be a great addition. But I feel like that would be an expensive tough minutes line, and maybe Mac T and Eakins feel like cheaper internal options will suffice.

Still hoping for better defence, which is really the key to having a line like this not get plastered. And though I am not holding my breath on Stasny, lots of teams don't have the cap room for him, lots of teams are not going to give him the chance to battle for top line duties, and not one bottom feeding team as the collection of young talent the Oilers have. I still think a player who wants to play hockey (just like Schultz) could be brought in on the delivery of lots of dollars, and on the promise that this team will be a future stanley cup champ.

Wow. Great comment. You had me all the way until you said "the promise that this team will be a future Stanley cup champ". Thats when I laughed so hard that I nearly pee'd myself.

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