Mark Fayne and Murderer’s Row

Jonathan Willis
July 06 2014 05:00PM

Mark Fayne

The Edmonton Oilers have made a pile of moves this summer, but the addition of Mark Fayne to an often overmatched defence corps might be the biggest.

He has something of a track record against good players.

What He Said

Jason Gregor had a nice piece on Fayne a couple of days ago, and he included some quotes from the defenceman which were revealing.

Particularly interesting to me was his comment on the matchups he faces:

Over the past few years I’ve developed into more of a stay home, shutdown guy playing against tougher opposition on a nightly basis. I think I’ve done my best when I am challenged the most, and I have to be aware of who is on the ice at all times. It’s a good challenge that I like taking on.

(emphasis mine)

Sometimes, players say things that don’t check out when you dig into the data. In this case, Fayne may well have understated things.

Murderer’s Row

Fayne’s played in the Eastern Conference for his entire career, but even so his most frequent 25 opponents feature some of the game’s biggest names. Fayne’s been on the ice against John Tavares more than against any other player in the league. Claude Giroux ranks third, Eric Staal fourth. Other notables include James Neal, Martin St. Louis, Steven Stamkos, Alex Ovechkin, Phil Kessel, Evgeni Malkin, Marian Gaborik and Tyler Seguin.

It’s a pretty impressive group.

Fayne’s posted a positive Corsi against that list of 25, nearly three full percentage points better than the average opponent those players face (and keep in mind that as a rule they’ll have been playing against good defencemen).

It’s not all him. He played most frequently with Andy Greene and Henrik Tallinder, and he played on a New Jersey Devils team that more often than not has been a strong club during his tenure.

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Now, he’ll play with an Edmonton Oilers club that has no recent history of success. There is no Greene or younger version of Tallinder to be his partner; he’s likely either getting a second-tier veteran (Nikita Nikitin or Andrew Ference) or a rookie still finding his way in the majors.

But the key point here is that Oilers aren’t bringing somebody in to play a role he hasn’t had success in before. Fayne’s spent significant time assigned to some of the toughest matchups in the league, and he’s done a nice job in the role. This could be a major add for Edmonton.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 OilPain
July 06 2014, 05:02PM
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Fayne should be a great add. MacT proving the haters wrong one move at a time!

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#2 Oliveoiler
July 06 2014, 05:04PM
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Welcome to Edmonton Mark - we have been waiting for you for a very long time. Kick some a$$

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#3 freelancer
July 06 2014, 05:12PM
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With Smith no longer behind our defense and Ramsay running that show, combined with some actual experienced NHL defenders... If this team can actually make that first pass out of their zone to our forwards I think that alone will see plenty more wins

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#4 Oiler63
July 06 2014, 05:17PM
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Hi Jonathan, an off topic question, how do you like Slava Voynov? Do you think he is a legit top 2 or #1 D man Oilers can use? The reason I'm asking is LA's D is very deep, and with so many UFA's and RFA's to sign next summer, maybe Voynov and his over $4M cap hit is something LA is willing to move as early as next season.

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#5 Craig1981
July 06 2014, 05:21PM
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A bunch of us wanted Matt Greene, but I think Fayne may of been a much better choice.

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#6 RexHolez
July 06 2014, 05:22PM
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here's hoping these fancy stats don't change much playing on this club. but I have a funny feeling...

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#7 SlowTalker
July 06 2014, 05:40PM
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RexHolez wrote:

here's hoping these fancy stats don't change much playing on this club. but I have a funny feeling...

Are you having weird sensations in your head? That "funny feeling" might indicate this signing might be another good move by MacT.

Perhaps a visit to the doctor is in order?

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#8 Lexi
July 06 2014, 05:48PM
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Fayne was basically the Stralman or better, as a 25 yr old on the New Jersey D that went to the finals in 2011-12 with a very mediocre Brodeur in net. I've got to think he is still a legit top 4 man for years.

After 2008-09 the Kings had still not made the playoffs and they signed Scuderi who was the perfect small signing that helped them get the D depth for he next four years. I see some hopeful parallels with Fayne.

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#9 Danoilerfanincalgary
July 06 2014, 05:57PM
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I really like the new additions but we need to be reserved and take a wait and see approach. There are definitely some positives going into next season.

1. goaltending will be better 2. coaching has continuity and added help in Ramsey 3. maturity of the young players 4. defence is better 5. forwards are deeper 6. prospects look good

No hype no promises let's just go into the season quietly and play better hockey. The fans deserve at least that.

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#10 Old time oil fan
July 06 2014, 06:03PM
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OilPain wrote:

Fayne should be a great add. MacT proving the haters wrong one move at a time!

You're quite the idiot to be making any judgement at this time. Obviously your criteria is much different than mine. I'll decide if it was a good move once he gets a chance to lace up and actually hit the ice. After all that is where the game is won and lost. Victory in July !!! You make me laugh.

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#11 Serious Gord
July 06 2014, 06:07PM
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Danoilerfanincalgary wrote:

I really like the new additions but we need to be reserved and take a wait and see approach. There are definitely some positives going into next season.

1. goaltending will be better 2. coaching has continuity and added help in Ramsey 3. maturity of the young players 4. defence is better 5. forwards are deeper 6. prospects look good

No hype no promises let's just go into the season quietly and play better hockey. The fans deserve at least that.

MAYBE. That's the operative word.

1. Goaltending is the least experienced in the league by a wide margin. It could turn out to be even worse than last year.

2. Ramsay is old - is he pat Quinn old or Scotty bowman old?

3. Maturity should help, but another miserable season could see maturity combined with atrophy in competitiveness and desire to win.

And players like Hendricks, Gordon and Ference maybe maturing into obsolescence.

4. Defense is better? Again a big maybe. And the roster may not be settled there yet.

5. Forwards are not deeper at center. And that's saying an awful lot considering how weak the team was last year.

6. Prospects are still prospects and shouldn't be relied upon to do any heavy lifting.

Being meek about what the team looks to be is to be irrelevant in the conversation.

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#13 Cody anderson
July 06 2014, 06:11PM
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Old time oil fan wrote:

You're quite the idiot to be making any judgement at this time. Obviously your criteria is much different than mine. I'll decide if it was a good move once he gets a chance to lace up and actually hit the ice. After all that is where the game is won and lost. Victory in July !!! You make me laugh.

Sounds like you are a complete a$$ Old Time Oil Fan.

The comments section is a place for people to express opinions. I think most fans are excited about some of the moves adding experience and size to the team.

It is fine to disagree or argue an opinion, but you attack him for expressing an opinion.

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#14 Cody anderson
July 06 2014, 06:13PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

MAYBE. That's the operative word.

1. Goaltending is the least experienced in the league by a wide margin. It could turn out to be even worse than last year.

2. Ramsay is old - is he pat Quinn old or Scotty bowman old?

3. Maturity should help, but another miserable season could see maturity combined with atrophy in competitiveness and desire to win.

And players like Hendricks, Gordon and Ference maybe maturing into obsolescence.

4. Defense is better? Again a big maybe. And the roster may not be settled there yet.

5. Forwards are not deeper at center. And that's saying an awful lot considering how weak the team was last year.

6. Prospects are still prospects and shouldn't be relied upon to do any heavy lifting.

Being meek about what the team looks to be is to be irrelevant in the conversation.

We started the year last year with 1 NHL center.

Opening day started with Hall, Arcobello, Gordon, and Lander as our centers.

Our depth while not fully proven is far better this year even at center.

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#15 hemi
July 06 2014, 06:18PM
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Despite what may be considered a "handicap - a true blue Oil fan" I am looking forward to an improved season. All of the arrows are pointing the correct way. And not just the usual hopefulness we all share this time each summer for last entirety. Kool-Aid be damned, we actually have acquired some experienced NHL players and second to that, they have something to offer!

Yes, we are far from being a contender for anything tangible but in my humble opinion, we will not be at the low end of basement dweller status. Lots to be seen and proven yet and the proof will be in the pudding come November/December to see how much of an improvement Mac-T has been able to orchestrate.

Meaningful games may be upon us? Go OIl!

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#16 Max
July 06 2014, 06:22PM
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I note that Serious Gord didn't take his happy pills as suggested in an earlier post. This website is for Oilers fans, those who support their team through thick and thin. Hell, we have to look at the positives as we are ALL ticked off by the performances over the last 8 years. To constantly belittle what MacT is doing and being negative all the time reeks of infiltration from a Flames or Canucks fan. Either lighten up Gord, as previously suggested or join a forum for grouches. I am sure there are forums under Rants Anonymous or Grouch of the Day. The Oilers don't need your kind of comments, and neither do the fans. But again, I forgot, as someone else has previously said; you know it all and no-one else is right or has a right to an opinion.

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#17 RexHolez
July 06 2014, 06:25PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

Sounds like you are a complete a$$ Old Time Oil Fan.

The comments section is a place for people to express opinions. I think most fans are excited about some of the moves adding experience and size to the team.

It is fine to disagree or argue an opinion, but you attack him for expressing an opinion.

did you just attack his opinion for attacking someone else's opinion? feel better?

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#18 RexHolez
July 06 2014, 06:27PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

MAYBE. That's the operative word.

1. Goaltending is the least experienced in the league by a wide margin. It could turn out to be even worse than last year.

2. Ramsay is old - is he pat Quinn old or Scotty bowman old?

3. Maturity should help, but another miserable season could see maturity combined with atrophy in competitiveness and desire to win.

And players like Hendricks, Gordon and Ference maybe maturing into obsolescence.

4. Defense is better? Again a big maybe. And the roster may not be settled there yet.

5. Forwards are not deeper at center. And that's saying an awful lot considering how weak the team was last year.

6. Prospects are still prospects and shouldn't be relied upon to do any heavy lifting.

Being meek about what the team looks to be is to be irrelevant in the conversation.

all great points Gord, funny how even after a decade of incompetence and misery, people still seem to think these old boys walk on water

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#19 RexHolez
July 06 2014, 06:28PM
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Max wrote:

I note that Serious Gord didn't take his happy pills as suggested in an earlier post. This website is for Oilers fans, those who support their team through thick and thin. Hell, we have to look at the positives as we are ALL ticked off by the performances over the last 8 years. To constantly belittle what MacT is doing and being negative all the time reeks of infiltration from a Flames or Canucks fan. Either lighten up Gord, as previously suggested or join a forum for grouches. I am sure there are forums under Rants Anonymous or Grouch of the Day. The Oilers don't need your kind of comments, and neither do the fans. But again, I forgot, as someone else has previously said; you know it all and no-one else is right or has a right to an opinion.

so basically you want everyone to be sheep?

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#20 Craig1981
July 06 2014, 06:37PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

We started the year last year with 1 NHL center.

Opening day started with Hall, Arcobello, Gordon, and Lander as our centers.

Our depth while not fully proven is far better this year even at center.

Though anyone that disagrees with Serious Gord is OK in my books, I think center depth isn't any better than last. The Negs at center are:

-Subtraction of Gagner (regardless of how much you liked him) -Lander off a TERRIBLE showing last season

The Pros this year are:

-Healthy RNH -Draisaitl (a mystery right now) -Arco had a strong showing

It seems really close. Goaltending, and Defense are far better though! Wings are very close, IMO

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#21 RussL
July 06 2014, 06:43PM
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Love everything I've read about Fayne since he's signed and even prior to, so I hope he lives up to his billing.

That defense with Petry and Schiltz signed looks balanced and the best in a number of years, add to that the veterans MacT has signed and traded for everything looks to be really shaping up. At least on paper...

One glaring hole is that 2nd/3rd centre spot. Who would we be willing to move next years first rounder for? Is there anyone that would be worth it?

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July 06 2014, 06:44PM
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Max wrote:

I note that Serious Gord didn't take his happy pills as suggested in an earlier post. This website is for Oilers fans, those who support their team through thick and thin. Hell, we have to look at the positives as we are ALL ticked off by the performances over the last 8 years. To constantly belittle what MacT is doing and being negative all the time reeks of infiltration from a Flames or Canucks fan. Either lighten up Gord, as previously suggested or join a forum for grouches. I am sure there are forums under Rants Anonymous or Grouch of the Day. The Oilers don't need your kind of comments, and neither do the fans. But again, I forgot, as someone else has previously said; you know it all and no-one else is right or has a right to an opinion.

It is also a good place to make fun of delusional individuals who support the Oilers through thick and thin, even though the Oilers treat them like something scraped off the bottom of Klowe's shoe.

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#23 Serious Gord
July 06 2014, 06:45PM
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Max wrote:

I note that Serious Gord didn't take his happy pills as suggested in an earlier post. This website is for Oilers fans, those who support their team through thick and thin. Hell, we have to look at the positives as we are ALL ticked off by the performances over the last 8 years. To constantly belittle what MacT is doing and being negative all the time reeks of infiltration from a Flames or Canucks fan. Either lighten up Gord, as previously suggested or join a forum for grouches. I am sure there are forums under Rants Anonymous or Grouch of the Day. The Oilers don't need your kind of comments, and neither do the fans. But again, I forgot, as someone else has previously said; you know it all and no-one else is right or has a right to an opinion.

What balderdash.

I have a right to my opinion and never have I said others didn't. Demanding more from ones team and it management is a legitimate enterprise of a fan.

And nowhere have I ever said I "know it all" nor that "no one else is right".

(Thanks for reading - I'm flattered)

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#24 Craig1981
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Serious Gord wrote:

MAYBE. That's the operative word.

1. Goaltending is the least experienced in the league by a wide margin. It could turn out to be even worse than last year.

2. Ramsay is old - is he pat Quinn old or Scotty bowman old?

3. Maturity should help, but another miserable season could see maturity combined with atrophy in competitiveness and desire to win.

And players like Hendricks, Gordon and Ference maybe maturing into obsolescence.

4. Defense is better? Again a big maybe. And the roster may not be settled there yet.

5. Forwards are not deeper at center. And that's saying an awful lot considering how weak the team was last year.

6. Prospects are still prospects and shouldn't be relied upon to do any heavy lifting.

Being meek about what the team looks to be is to be irrelevant in the conversation.

OK, here are my issues

1. Are you aware Fasth is 32 and has played 226 professional games? Scrivens is 27. Unproven maybe, but not inexperienced

2.Age on a coach isn't a big thing IMO

3. You might be right

4. Dear lord was out D bad last year, it must be better. Swapping out players that are not in the NHL this year with proven Dmen has to be better doesn't it?

5. Yup, agree

6. I only think there will be one rookie penciled in this year....and thats on maybe the 3rd line.

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#25 camdog
July 06 2014, 06:50PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

Sounds like you are a complete a$$ Old Time Oil Fan.

The comments section is a place for people to express opinions. I think most fans are excited about some of the moves adding experience and size to the team.

It is fine to disagree or argue an opinion, but you attack him for expressing an opinion.

So it's alright to call one type of Oiler fan a "hater" and an "ass" but wrong to call one an "idiot"? Okay...

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#26 Positive Pam
July 06 2014, 06:55PM
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I am a very positive person as I find being negative a waste of time. Every morning I wake and think, well nothing has gone wrong yet, so it's a good day. The Oilers are still in line for a playoff position, I haven't checked my lottery tickets, so I may have won, and the sun is shining so my garden will thrive, or, it's raining and my plants get a well deserved drink. My boss is a jerk, but that's his problem, not mine, and if I find a penny on the ground, I pick it up because as obsolete as it it, it's still money. I support the Oil Pipelines as it will bring hundreds of jobs to Canadians and I support the Oilers. Life is good - some of you should wake up and smell the roses rather than have your nose in the compost heap. .

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#27 admiralmark
July 06 2014, 06:56PM
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RexHolez wrote:

so basically you want everyone to be sheep?

I think the sentiment is the "constant" negativity gets tiresome. And although i support yours and everyones right to state their opinion here it just gets kinda boring to hear the repeating same ole MAcT promised Bold! This team sucks and continues to suck etc etc.

There have been some postitive moves by MacT this summer. It remains to be seen how much of a positive effect they have. But maybe we can sometimes acknowledge if a move was clearly a good one. Mark Fayne has a track record of being able to handle the toughest defensive assignments. Analytics like him. And he's signed to a very palatable $3.6 Mill/per contract as a free agent. This is an undeniably good move by MacT.

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#28 aguy
July 06 2014, 06:57PM
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@Lexi

I just wanted to say I watched Brodeur in the playoffs that year and he defied his age, and was stellar in net! He really gave the Devils a chance, and this by no means takes anything away from Fayne.

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#29 PutzStew
July 06 2014, 06:57PM
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RexHolez wrote:

so basically you want everyone to be sheep?

Yes. It says so in the 2014-2015 Edmonton Oilers Fan Hand Book.

Section 3, Paragraph 5

"No fan is allowed to expresses displeasure of the Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club by damaging or placing Edmonton Oilers on ice surfaces, nor may they be critical to Kevin Lowe, Daryl Katz, Craig Mactavish, Katz's Kid or any other management figure. Should a fan feel the need to display any displeasure, as mention above, then it is asked that said fan refrain from doing so and instead "Ba" like a sheep."

There you go. And it's on the internet so it has to be true.

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#30 Danger Pay
July 06 2014, 06:58PM
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All aboard the Fayne Train! D- Fence! (clap, clap) D-Fence!

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#31 aguy
July 06 2014, 07:00PM
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@Positive Pam

But Positive Pam, when I look in the compost heap, I see a thriving environment!

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#32 PutzStew
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admiralmark wrote:

I think the sentiment is the "constant" negativity gets tiresome. And although i support yours and everyones right to state their opinion here it just gets kinda boring to hear the repeating same ole MAcT promised Bold! This team sucks and continues to suck etc etc.

There have been some postitive moves by MacT this summer. It remains to be seen how much of a positive effect they have. But maybe we can sometimes acknowledge if a move was clearly a good one. Mark Fayne has a track record of being able to handle the toughest defensive assignments. Analytics like him. And he's signed to a very palatable $3.6 Mill/per contract as a free agent. This is an undeniably good move by MacT.

There has been positive moves made every off season through out this (these) rebuild(s), and yet the Oilers still suck.

Remember the Summer of Steve. Not too many people were critical of those move at the time either. Maybe some fans have just evolved to the point were "good" moves mean nothing until this team is a winner.

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#33 blainer
July 06 2014, 07:20PM
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I really believe Fayne was an excellent signing and will surprise many just as Hendricks did. Calm feet and will eat the puck if need be.. and try too retain possession. Something we haven't seen since the 80"s.

I'm ok with Purcell but have low expectation there. I am however high on Pouliot and believe he may get time on the first line and PP. We need that center in order to be competitive... I would like Eakins to have a decent team to coach as to really see if he has what it takes...

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#34 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
July 06 2014, 07:22PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

MAYBE. That's the operative word.

1. Goaltending is the least experienced in the league by a wide margin. It could turn out to be even worse than last year.

2. Ramsay is old - is he pat Quinn old or Scotty bowman old?

3. Maturity should help, but another miserable season could see maturity combined with atrophy in competitiveness and desire to win.

And players like Hendricks, Gordon and Ference maybe maturing into obsolescence.

4. Defense is better? Again a big maybe. And the roster may not be settled there yet.

5. Forwards are not deeper at center. And that's saying an awful lot considering how weak the team was last year.

6. Prospects are still prospects and shouldn't be relied upon to do any heavy lifting.

Being meek about what the team looks to be is to be irrelevant in the conversation.

Reading your six points, I've got to ask: Did you just call yourself irrelevant to the conversation?

Pt 1. Could turn out to be Pt 2. Is he Quinn old or Bowman old? Pt 3. Should help. Miserable season could see Pt 4. Big maybe. May not be Pt 5. This point is assertive. Good for you Pt 6. Shouldn't.

Let's face it. Your objection isn't that Dan... Is meek. You're objection is that he has good things to say.

On top of that, the only thing 'meek' about Dan's post (to which you are responding) is that he says things look good, but that we can't anoint MacT saviour or the team playoff-bound until we see them play. Sounds like measured optimism, not weakness.

For a kicker, a little irony. You're calling a guy out as meek because he advocates a 'wait and see approach'. Later on, RexHolez is praising you, all the while condemning those who 'still think these old boys walk on water'. That's not Dan.. Do you guys even read the posts or do you just love patting each other on the back for anything negative?

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#35 Serious Gord
July 06 2014, 07:26PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

OK, here are my issues

1. Are you aware Fasth is 32 and has played 226 professional games? Scrivens is 27. Unproven maybe, but not inexperienced

2.Age on a coach isn't a big thing IMO

3. You might be right

4. Dear lord was out D bad last year, it must be better. Swapping out players that are not in the NHL this year with proven Dmen has to be better doesn't it?

5. Yup, agree

6. I only think there will be one rookie penciled in this year....and thats on maybe the 3rd line.

1. Lots of career AHL goalies who fail at the nhl level.

2. Age can be a factor we saw it first hand with pat Quinn. I (we?) have no idea if the same is the case with Ramsay. We do know that he is a hero of Eakins much as Quinn was a hero of tambellini and a good friend of lowes (via hockey canada). Let's hope it hasn't blinded management to ramsays possible deficiencies.

4. Defense might - on paper should be better - but it might be worse if both smid and Petry are gone and Ference has deteriorated even further by the start of the season. Amazing but possible.

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#36 Chainsawz
July 06 2014, 07:29PM
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OilPain wrote:

Fayne should be a great add. MacT proving the haters wrong one move at a time!

Haters proved wrong?

Did I miss something? Last time I checked, the Oilers were a bottom 3 team. Have they proved otherwise?

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#37 The Last Big Bear
July 06 2014, 07:30PM
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This place has gotten very snipey in the past few days.

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#38 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
July 06 2014, 07:38PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

What balderdash.

I have a right to my opinion and never have I said others didn't. Demanding more from ones team and it management is a legitimate enterprise of a fan.

And nowhere have I ever said I "know it all" nor that "no one else is right".

(Thanks for reading - I'm flattered)

More flattery for you Gord - I keep reading.

I don't think anyone would object to demanding more from the Oilers. Problem is, that's not what your doing. You're calling others meek and irrelevant. You're over exaggerating negatives and unknowns while dismissing positives.

To your credit, you are far more reasonable than a couple other chronic complainers to post here so far.

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#39 wiseguy
July 06 2014, 07:39PM
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@Positive Pam

If you wake up in the morning and think "well, nothing has gone wrong yet", this implies a hidden negativity that you have that you expect something to go wrong every day. Sounds like an Oiler fan at the beginning of each season... "Well, nothing has gone wrong YET!" Pam, stop trying to be positive for everyone else. Embrace your inner negativity.

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#40 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
July 06 2014, 07:49PM
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RexHolez wrote:

so basically you want everyone to be sheep?

Oh RexHolez. Nobody is asking for sheep. We're just asking a select few of you to stop being jerks. The original comment that started the whole Serious Gord to Max to you (the quoted post) thread was one that advocated for a wait and see approach, while acknowledging that the recent moves seem positive.

I would describe 'sheep' as people who blindly maintain/support a point of view without a reasonable weighing of the facts - be they for or against. It seems to me like you, and a few others like you, are sheep yourselves.

It's impossible to know in July if signing Fayne will improve the Oilers. A reasonable person, not covered in wool, would at least acknowledge that there is potential there. From what I recall from the pre-free agent day blogs, multiple articles were written about which D-men the Oil should target, and the overwhelming conclusion from said articles was that Fayne was the ideal FA to pursue. And still, you insist that everything MacT does is baaaaa-d.

Ps. RexHolez... King of the Holez, right? Good name for you

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#41 BLAKPOO
July 06 2014, 07:55PM
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@Cody anderson

We actually started the year with Acton in the 4th spot.

Not sure if that's better than Lander or not..

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#42 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
July 06 2014, 08:04PM
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I like our new D! I hope the on-ice play this season confirms what seem like very promising moves. If Petry and Schultz sign, then our D-Core has added Nikitin and Fayne to the mix, and given up Smid and a group of tweeters like Belov, Larsen and (sadly) Fedun. Furthermore, there are enough legitimate NHL defensemen that we can move forward without a need to rush our crop of young D-men.

It's not time to plan the parade, but it's tough to imagine an Oiler's GM doing a better job of rebuilding the D without mortgaging the future. The only other team I can think of to land 2 new impact Defencemen through free agency were the Caps. I'm not sure id trade places with them though.

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#43 Positive Pam
July 06 2014, 08:14PM
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@aguy

No s**t

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#44 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
July 06 2014, 08:18PM
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PutzStew wrote:

It is also a good place to make fun of delusional individuals who support the Oilers through thick and thin, even though the Oilers treat them like something scraped off the bottom of Klowe's shoe.

So you're here to make fun of people are you. Are you able to admit that you're just here to troll?

The majority of posters on this site - despite what you might assume or try to project - are aware that we've missed the playoffs for the last 8 years. We also know that Tambo and MacT have been trying, unsuccessfully, to dig us out of the whole for nearly as long. Our problem isn't that we're delusional. It's that we're objective.

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#45 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
July 06 2014, 08:25PM
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PutzStew wrote:

There has been positive moves made every off season through out this (these) rebuild(s), and yet the Oilers still suck.

Remember the Summer of Steve. Not too many people were critical of those move at the time either. Maybe some fans have just evolved to the point were "good" moves mean nothing until this team is a winner.

You criticize those who suggest the team could be improved, and yet you unfalteringly cling to the certainty that the 2014-15 Oilers are losers. Neither one has happened yet. To believe that you can know the Oilers fate next season - for better or for worse - is deluded.

I'd say there's a real chance we get McJesus next year, a pretty good chance we miss the playoffs, but also a small to medium chance (maybe 20-40% to put a number to it) we make the playoffs. Can you admit the playoffs are at least a non-negligible possibility?

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#46 Oil Can
July 06 2014, 08:25PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

1. Lots of career AHL goalies who fail at the nhl level.

2. Age can be a factor we saw it first hand with pat Quinn. I (we?) have no idea if the same is the case with Ramsay. We do know that he is a hero of Eakins much as Quinn was a hero of tambellini and a good friend of lowes (via hockey canada). Let's hope it hasn't blinded management to ramsays possible deficiencies.

4. Defense might - on paper should be better - but it might be worse if both smid and Petry are gone and Ference has deteriorated even further by the start of the season. Amazing but possible.

TROLL

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#47 aguy
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Not so positive anymore, are we.

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I like the videos of Nikita Nikitin as he looks like to be a fine addition . He has a shot ,can play reasonably physical and can fight when required . Fayne on the other hand might be a disappointment in comparison . Go to Mark Fayne videos and you'll see what I am talking about . He gets run over by bigger forwards , lacks a good shot and basically a lousy fighter . Will he be any better than Belov or Smid -i'm not sold he is . Nhl.com ran a couple of media basically saying Oilers may be disappointed once again by defence acquisitions . I feel at least Nikitin will show otherwise . Hope Fayne shows more than the videos showed .

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#49 Craig1981
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Serious Gord wrote:

1. Lots of career AHL goalies who fail at the nhl level.

2. Age can be a factor we saw it first hand with pat Quinn. I (we?) have no idea if the same is the case with Ramsay. We do know that he is a hero of Eakins much as Quinn was a hero of tambellini and a good friend of lowes (via hockey canada). Let's hope it hasn't blinded management to ramsays possible deficiencies.

4. Defense might - on paper should be better - but it might be worse if both smid and Petry are gone and Ference has deteriorated even further by the start of the season. Amazing but possible.

1. That's not an argument. You said inexperienced, my points proved you wrong....I accept your apology.

1b. I wouldn't call them AHL goalies. Fasth has played a total of 194min in the AHL and Scrivens is entering his 5 season in the NHL. Again unproven starters, which is why I think MacT picked up Fasth rather than just Scrivens.

2. I don't think Quinn did poorly. Did you see the team he coached?? Gilbert Brule was the teams 3rd leading scorer. I know for a fact in my profession (like all others) you can put a a far better work team together from past coworkers than thumbing through resumes. This "hero" thing is just you ranting and making stories that aren't there.

4. That is what people are saying, the start of this season out D is better.

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#50 Serious Gord
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Craig1981 wrote:

1. That's not an argument. You said inexperienced, my points proved you wrong....I accept your apology.

1b. I wouldn't call them AHL goalies. Fasth has played a total of 194min in the AHL and Scrivens is entering his 5 season in the NHL. Again unproven starters, which is why I think MacT picked up Fasth rather than just Scrivens.

2. I don't think Quinn did poorly. Did you see the team he coached?? Gilbert Brule was the teams 3rd leading scorer. I know for a fact in my profession (like all others) you can put a a far better work team together from past coworkers than thumbing through resumes. This "hero" thing is just you ranting and making stories that aren't there.

4. That is what people are saying, the start of this season out D is better.

1. It is an argument - and a sound one - experience in leagues other than the nhl - the closest being the ahl but all being inferior to the nhl is often no indicator of how that player will do in the elite nhl.

2. Stauffer and others have spoken and written at length about how Quinn was past it.

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