Ship out Schultz? Why?

Jason Gregor
July 08 2014 02:14PM

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I've been covering the Oilers since 2001, so rarely does much surprise me anymore. I've seen a lot, and sadly for Oilers fans, most of it has been losing. However, I'll admit I'm surprised by how many people want to ship Justin Schultz out of town.

Maybe I shouldn't be, considering I've seen this movie recently staring the likes of Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner and many others, but none of those players heard the trade talk so early in their career.

Schultz has only played 122 games, yet many are convinced they know what type of player he'll be and in their eyes he won't help.

I strongly disagree.

I hate generalizations. Nothing irks me more than when someone says, "the media." Lumping all media members together annoys the hell out of me. I don't share the same beliefs as every media member, but often people throw a blanket over all media and assume they feel the same.

So let me preface my next statement by saying I understand that not all of those who believe in Corsi, Fenwick, etc want Schultz gone, but I'm surprised that many of the most vocal trade-Schultz crowd comes from that background.

The ironic part is that many of the people wanting to ship out Schultz are the same guys who have steadfastly defended Jeff Petry. It's almost like people believe they have to trade one of those two and they are picking a side. It is plausible that both can stay in Edmonton, isn't it?

Maybe it just reaffirms that we all have bias. We all do, and anyone who thinks they don't is dreaming. Stats guys have bias to believe their numbers always lead to the correct analysis, watchers of the game believe what they see on the ice is correct, and all of us value players higher or lower for various reasons.

If we all agreed, it sure would be rather boring in the Nation so I hope that never changes.

Anyways, back to Schultz, who has played less than two full NHL seasons.

He is 27th in points over the that time and 29th in points-per-game for defencemen. He is also 6th in EV goals over the past two seasons. His offensive numbers are very good, and bordering on elite.

Where Schultz struggles is in his own zone.

His Corsi and Fenwick numbers have been less than stellar, and his defensive zone coverage has been lacking. I'd say that is due to his inexperience, him having to play more minutes than he should be at this stage of his career, and that he never had to be great defensively in college.

Schultz, like every Oilers D-man, has had to play tougher minutes than they are capable of handling and that has led to some tough nights.

For me, his first two seasons have unfolded very close to how I expected them to. He was touted as an offensive defenceman, and he's lived up to that, but at the same time he's struggled defensively.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

The same was said about Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov.

Hall has become a dominant player. Eberle has had two very good seasons, while Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov have had a tougher time.

Nugent-Hopkins plays a harder position than the other three forwards, and his lack of size and experience against big, skilled western centres has been rather apparent. I believe he will have the biggest improvement this season (more on that in another article).

Yakupov had an okay first season that ended in spectacular fashion with six goals in three games. He struggled last season, but if you mention trading Yakupov the same people who want Schultz traded were the first to come to Yak's defence.

WHY THE DIFFERENCE?

Why are people more willing to move Schultz, but not Yakupov?

Both have been in the league the same time. I suspect part of it (trade talk) stems from how they have been used. People think Yakupov hasn't been given the same opportunities as Schultz, and that he will produce once he gets more icetime.

That is possible, but isn't it equally possible that Schultz will improve defensively with more experience?

The other perplexing thing for me is that winger is the only position currently where the Oilers have any depth. The Oilers don't have another D-man who can produce offensively. If they trade Schultz who is going to fill his offensive totals?

If the Oilers trade Yakupov, at least they would still have Hall, Eberle, Perron, Purcell and Pouliot.

I'm not saying they should trade Yakupov, I'm just trying to understand why so many believe trading Schultz is the right move.

WRAP UP

Schultz has very good instincts in the offensive zone. He has a deceptively good wrist/snap shot and if he learns to shoot more on the PP, I suspect his offensive totals will improve even more. Schultz is on the verge of being a great offensive D-man, and that's why I'm hesitant, in fact I'm loathe, to trade him at this point.

I fully realize that he has struggled defensively, but he can learn that part of the game. It is extremely rare that players suddenly become better offensive players in the NHL, but many offensive players have improved defensively.

I'm confident Schultz's defensive zone coverage will improve, especially with the addition of Craig Ramsey, and that's why I wouldn't deal him.

At this point I wouldn't trade any of Petry, Schultz or Yakupov, because their value is low and there is no way you would fetch a 2nd line centre for any of them.

I'd keep Schultz, but I'm surprised at how quickly some think he is more of the problem than the solution.

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#1 Wintoon
July 08 2014, 02:27PM
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I fully agree with your statements. The problem is that the fan base is becoming increasingly impatient and negative.

As an example, MacT has made significant headway in remolding the Oilers during his 15 month tenure and yet people always seem to expect more. They expect magical trades and immediate solutions. The other GMs in the league are not incompetent. For this reason, trades must consist of value for value. They are not usually low hanging fruit.

I hope that MacT stays the course. If he does, we have a very good chance of seeing entertaining and winning hockey before very long. Maybe even contending for the Cup.

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Sign this guy already. $4.5 x 5years.

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#3 geno
July 08 2014, 02:36PM
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Schultz can't handle ES minutes against most any competition. His impressive ES goal total is more than overturned by the amount of ES goals he aids in allowing when he's on the ice. He's proven to be nothing more than MA Bergeron, but he has value on the market. That's why people would trade him over Petry. They could replace his offence by signing DelZotto to a

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#4 blainer
July 08 2014, 02:38PM
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Players who have the puck on their stick a lot will be prone to make mistakes, kinda like PK Subban..man he really coughs up the puck a lot..I bet just about everyone on here would be happy to have PK and his mistakes.. ..its just part of the game. It is very difficult to find offence from the point..

We NEED to keep Shultz and am confident MacT will get a deal done. Mistakes are way more noticeable on D and with the right partner he should be able to thrive. I believe he is in for big year and would support signing him to a long term deal..He should however start practicing that one timer slap shot from the point ala PK Subban...

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#5 YakCity1024
July 08 2014, 02:43PM
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Only way you trade Schultz is if you get a top-2 dman like Shea Weber back in return.

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#6 Big K
July 08 2014, 02:47PM
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Mac T will sign him, He's smart enough to continuosly mention him as part of the core group. He's doing what he should, be half smart with the money he has right now!

Fans that call for heads before they should are the fans who dont understand the game.

Its really nice to live in Candy land,ride your unicorn to work drinking its mountain Dew urination.

The fact still remains, alot of damage was done and its going to take time to repair. I for one, am impressed with the short order in which Mact has made us a line up that has a chance, a fighting chance i might add!!

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#7 Simpsonite
July 08 2014, 02:48PM
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We gotta pick somebody to work over I guess now that our whipping boy gags is gone. We rode horcoff pretty hard for not a super good reason and then gags and now we have to pick somebody. Personally I would have picked Lowe but I guess his skating ability has probably diminished to much over the years to get much for him in a trade...gotta keep Shultz...he is way better and will get way better.

I'm going to Blue Jays this season for the Oil...last year, for both, HUGE expectations and they were dashed remarkably early for both...maybe cause of the pressure...never know if that had an effect on a young oilers team or not. With the Blue Jays this year expectations were very low and seemingly so was the pressure and they have exceeded...shockingly it seems...so I am doing that for the Oil...no more hope for a playoff spot...no pressure on them...I am expecting chaos and tears by mid November...if the strategy plays out similar to the Blue Jays they shall be in good shape by all star break.

Wait...did I just put reverse pressure? Did I just ruin this whole thing? Oh geez.

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#8 2004Z06
July 08 2014, 02:50PM
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Simply a lack of experience, inept D coaching and absence of veteran leadership. He will get better defensively. My gosh he has less than two seasons at the NHL level.

People gripe that we moved out young assets that went on to succeed elsewhere (Stoll, Greene etc.) yet here we go again!

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#9 Racki
July 08 2014, 02:53PM
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I have nothing against any of the D here, but I still have to wonder who can eat up high minutes here and look good doing it. The team would be better served if Petry didn't have to play the hard minutes all the time. Maybe Fayne helps carry that burden, I don't know. But none of the D really seem to stand out here above anyone else (at least in the top 4). That's somewhat of a good and bad thing. Would be nice to have a minute eating D man here. It also would be nice to have a 2nd line C. Hard to fix both just by moving Petry or Schultz.

Some patience should fix both issues, but it will be another tough season probably if they don't change anything, unless some guys have some pretty big years.

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#10 Jordan1126
July 08 2014, 02:53PM
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I always look at it from the other guys view...

If schultz was available via trade would oiler fans be interested?

damn rights they would! (although all they would offer are the rights to omark)

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#11 Rick
July 08 2014, 02:55PM
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We have to keep in mind that a lot of these folks who want to trade every body and chase the rest out of town are "NEW" Oiler fans who have moved her from the east .They are so used to running everyone out of town in Toronto and Montreal That it is just how they where brought up as fans they cant help it . .Just ignore them because you don't have to scratch to too deep to find a Leafs or Hab's fan.

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#12 Kim
July 08 2014, 02:57PM
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Very hard to evaluate players on the Oilers since they have been the worst team in the NHL for the last 8 years. Hard for the fans and hard for management.

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#13 Jordan1126
July 08 2014, 02:58PM
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Rick wrote:

We have to keep in mind that a lot of these folks who want to trade every body and chase the rest out of town are "NEW" Oiler fans who have moved her from the east .They are so used to running everyone out of town in Toronto and Montreal That it is just how they where brought up as fans they cant help it . .Just ignore them because you don't have to scratch to too deep to find a Leafs or Hab's fan.

true maple leaf and hab fans don't change to oilers fans regardless if they live in katz penthouse suite getting served fruit by his fro son, or if they live in georgia picking peaches and making pies...they are arrogantly diehards.

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#14 Hockey fan
July 08 2014, 03:02PM
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Rick wrote:

We have to keep in mind that a lot of these folks who want to trade every body and chase the rest out of town are "NEW" Oiler fans who have moved her from the east .They are so used to running everyone out of town in Toronto and Montreal That it is just how they where brought up as fans they cant help it . .Just ignore them because you don't have to scratch to too deep to find a Leafs or Hab's fan.

Talk about goofy generalizations.

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#15 Chunkylover69@yahoo.com
July 08 2014, 03:02PM
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Great article! You nailed it. I have a great feeling about the direction we are heading and Shultz is a big part of the future. A hundred and a few games into what was a giant learning curve and he is trending beautifully. Term and contract are the only discussions we all should be having.

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#16 Serious Gord
July 08 2014, 03:03PM
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Jason:

Please cite your evidence for making this statement: "However, I'll admit I'm surprised by how many people want to ship Justin Schultz out of town."

To my eyes and ears I have witnessed very little evidence of people wanting him shipped out of town.

You "hate generalizations".

I despise strawman arguments - especially if they eminate from someone in the media.

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#17 Lochenzo
July 08 2014, 03:04PM
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When Duncan Keith was an up and coming Dman, he had Brian Campbell playing ahead of him. Duncan Keith had the luxury of growing into a top pairing Dman and then some and he did it very quickly. When you're being force-fed before you're ready, it gets messy.

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#18 carson
July 08 2014, 03:05PM
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Not a Schultz hater, but I don't think it's a case of fans running Schultz out of town AT ALL. It's really a case of perceived value vs. reality. Schultz is the Oilers most productive offensive d-man according to the stat sheet and looks to be well on his way to becoming a PP specialist, but that doesn't make him a true top 4. Last year, the Oilers dressed a grand total of one legit top 4 d-man - Petry - and he buckled under the workload. Schultz, on the other hand, plays easier minutes and gives up more than he gets. BUT, his 30-something points are more impressive looking than Petry's 18 or whatever, so he has a higher perceived value. It's like Hall vs. Eberle. I like both players a tongue, but you couldn't convince me that Eberle was a more essential part of the puzzle than Hall. Amazingly, there are still people who would disagree and maybe even people around the league. That's why, hypothetically, Eberle is a better option for a trade. Would I trade him? No, but he would be a less painful loss than Hall. I think that's what the talk of Schultz has mostly been. He puts up points, but he needs MAJOR support in the defensive zone and his value would be higher than a guy like Petry, who has a falsely manufactured low value.

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#19 Fresh Mess
July 08 2014, 03:05PM
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I don't see a massive campaign to trade Schultz anywhere. But Gregor I ask you, why do so many fans, pundits, and Oilers hockey staff talk about Schultz like he is a pillar of some kind of future dynasty?

I fully agree that Yak is more expendable, but I would entertain offers for either if the return addressed a glaring need.

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#20 J-Bird
July 08 2014, 03:06PM
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Quote from Gregor:

"I hate generalizations. Nothing irks me more than when someone says, "the media." Lumping all media members together annoys the hell out of me. I don't share the same beliefs as every media member, but often people throw a blanket over all media and assume they feel the same."

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Speaking of lumping, "Fans"....

I hate when the media thinks the vocal minority, like these folks wanting to move a Schultz, are the opinion of the majority. Most fans give two craps about Corsi, Fenwick, etc. Hockey Nerds do. Stop putting the nerd's opinions, the minority opinion, out there as the MAJORITY FANS opinion.

First I've heard of wanting to move Schultz is this article? That says a lot. I listen to 1260 every day. Lumping. Media does it all the time....

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#21 carson
July 08 2014, 03:06PM
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carson wrote:

Not a Schultz hater, but I don't think it's a case of fans running Schultz out of town AT ALL. It's really a case of perceived value vs. reality. Schultz is the Oilers most productive offensive d-man according to the stat sheet and looks to be well on his way to becoming a PP specialist, but that doesn't make him a true top 4. Last year, the Oilers dressed a grand total of one legit top 4 d-man - Petry - and he buckled under the workload. Schultz, on the other hand, plays easier minutes and gives up more than he gets. BUT, his 30-something points are more impressive looking than Petry's 18 or whatever, so he has a higher perceived value. It's like Hall vs. Eberle. I like both players a tongue, but you couldn't convince me that Eberle was a more essential part of the puzzle than Hall. Amazingly, there are still people who would disagree and maybe even people around the league. That's why, hypothetically, Eberle is a better option for a trade. Would I trade him? No, but he would be a less painful loss than Hall. I think that's what the talk of Schultz has mostly been. He puts up points, but he needs MAJOR support in the defensive zone and his value would be higher than a guy like Petry, who has a falsely manufactured low value.

Tongue should be "tonne"

That's what I get for not proofreading.

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#22 Hockey fan
July 08 2014, 03:09PM
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Anybody whose statistical reference points would lead to dumping Schultz but praising Traded Six Times as some kind of saviour needs to take remedial math. ...... Oiler fan is so mired in losing that they've re-imagined how hockey scores are kept, so that GF/GA aren't the most important metric, but corgis and fencloses and tough opps and a bunch of made-up statistical fairy dust. Then carefully data-mined to show how 9 of the past 6 Stanley Cup winners or finalists were Corgi leaders. You stat-heads might have noticed that even the Oakland A's have thrown in the towel and traded for two high-priced studs. Moneyball is dead and hockey Fap Stats are a fad, like Cooperalls.

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#23 Will
July 08 2014, 03:12PM
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So one of the most high profile free agents in the last five years, decided to come to a team notable for not being able to land free agents, and the first thing we want to do is trade him away?

I think you hit the nail on the head Gregor in that Schultz has come as billed, I can't remember a single report that said defensive shut down stud comes to Edmonton. That's not why he was sought after. It would be crazy to trade this kid. It would be nice to see that list of 29, maybe even push it out to 40 to see what company Schultz is in. Then maybe look at the more advanced stats for the guys on that list and see how Schultz compares defensively to the people he compares with offensively.

Anyway, he's not here to make 7 mill per year at 7 years and save our defence, he's here to add an offensive element to the back end, and then hopefully shore up his defensive play through less minutes and easier competition.

My only real question is who he gets paired with this year. My first instinct would be Nikitin as that leaves the Marincin Petry pair to continue to play as best as they can on the top line, and creates a much better shut down duo in Ference and Fayne, all while giving Schultz a more experienced partner who has some size and all around ability.

But many pundits believe he'll end up on the third line with Ferrence. This could work better as both would be asked to play less minutes than last year, but that would leave the unproven duo of Fayne and Nikitin. Not to mention, there's also going to be Nurse and Klefbom pushing for spots which could screw everything up again.

Who do you see him playing with?

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#24 yegCopywriter
July 08 2014, 03:12PM
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Most don't WANT Schultz traded. They just point out that if Petry is considered tradable, Schultz should be too. He is more famous and would fetch a better return than Petry.

To acquire a young 2C by trading a D, Schultz is a more realistic option. And the team with Klefbom replacing Schultz is much more competitive than with Arcobello/Lander/Draisaitl centering your second line.

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#25 Lochenzo
July 08 2014, 03:14PM
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I don't understand all of this trade talk revolving around Petry and Schultz. We JUST got this D group to the level where they can tread water.

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#26 Mujidog
July 08 2014, 03:15PM
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I don't think any smart Oilers fans are itching to trade Schultz. I'm certainly not :) Skill D are really, really rare. Schultz is incredibly young; his offensive game is already great; just needs to work on his defensive game. He'll get better. He's only been playing pro hockey for 2 years!

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#27 Dwayne Roloson 35
July 08 2014, 03:15PM
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Its because our "fans" are kind of stupid. they find a goat every year to run out of town.schultz seems to be the next in line

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#28 Serious Gord
July 08 2014, 03:23PM
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carson wrote:

Not a Schultz hater, but I don't think it's a case of fans running Schultz out of town AT ALL. It's really a case of perceived value vs. reality. Schultz is the Oilers most productive offensive d-man according to the stat sheet and looks to be well on his way to becoming a PP specialist, but that doesn't make him a true top 4. Last year, the Oilers dressed a grand total of one legit top 4 d-man - Petry - and he buckled under the workload. Schultz, on the other hand, plays easier minutes and gives up more than he gets. BUT, his 30-something points are more impressive looking than Petry's 18 or whatever, so he has a higher perceived value. It's like Hall vs. Eberle. I like both players a tongue, but you couldn't convince me that Eberle was a more essential part of the puzzle than Hall. Amazingly, there are still people who would disagree and maybe even people around the league. That's why, hypothetically, Eberle is a better option for a trade. Would I trade him? No, but he would be a less painful loss than Hall. I think that's what the talk of Schultz has mostly been. He puts up points, but he needs MAJOR support in the defensive zone and his value would be higher than a guy like Petry, who has a falsely manufactured low value.

Exactly. Well done.

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#29 wiseguy
July 08 2014, 03:26PM
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Big K wrote:

Mac T will sign him, He's smart enough to continuosly mention him as part of the core group. He's doing what he should, be half smart with the money he has right now!

Fans that call for heads before they should are the fans who dont understand the game.

Its really nice to live in Candy land,ride your unicorn to work drinking its mountain Dew urination.

The fact still remains, alot of damage was done and its going to take time to repair. I for one, am impressed with the short order in which Mact has made us a line up that has a chance, a fighting chance i might add!!

You contradict yourself. So when should fans call for heads? When it has been decreed from a higher power? The "lot of damage was done" I assume refers to the Tambellini era (epoch) of management. Would less damage have been done if fans had called for his head sooner? But those same people who did call for his head sooner and may have saved us from all his "damage", according to you, are fans who don't understand the game.

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#30 Lofty
July 08 2014, 03:29PM
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I'm glad that the fact that Schultz chose to come to Edmonton hasn't come up.

Pragmatically, it should have nothing to do with if he stays or goes. Or how many dollars or years he gets on his next contract.

I think he's always going to be an offensive specialist and not a top pairing player, but I'd like to see him signed for 3 years at 3.75 each.

I have very high hopes for Nurse, I especially like his feisty'ness. I would like Schultz to be around when Nurse should be coming up with the big club (in 2 years.) IMO Nurse will be the straw that stirs the drink for the Oil. Energize the lineup and be a leader.

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#31 oprah sucks
July 08 2014, 03:30PM
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article is bang on. trading schultz right now would be a fatal error on managements part. this guy needs to be paired with the right d partner ,as do most young offensive dmen or young d in general, to see this guys full potential. people that want him traded do not understand the time frame it takes for dmen to mature and being put out against toughest competition or playing too many big minutes isnt his fault. mact has said many times that justin is part of the core group and he very well should be. lets not forget that this is a player that had almost every team in the league to choose from to start his pro journey and he chose edmonton(doesnt happen often) which was clearly nothing but a hockey decision. not money, not warmer climates and peeps call on to trade him?? this fact alone says much for his character and is a guy i want as a teammate let alone all his untapped potential! i understand frustration and patience but wake up people!!

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#32 Rama Lama
July 08 2014, 03:31PM
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I honestly admit to bashing certain players........and even the caoch, sometimes too often.

I will always have time for guys with skill......and JS is definetly one of them. I'm in your camp Gregor!

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#33 Serious Gord
July 08 2014, 03:32PM
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oprah sucks wrote:

article is bang on. trading schultz right now would be a fatal error on managements part. this guy needs to be paired with the right d partner ,as do most young offensive dmen or young d in general, to see this guys full potential. people that want him traded do not understand the time frame it takes for dmen to mature and being put out against toughest competition or playing too many big minutes isnt his fault. mact has said many times that justin is part of the core group and he very well should be. lets not forget that this is a player that had almost every team in the league to choose from to start his pro journey and he chose edmonton(doesnt happen often) which was clearly nothing but a hockey decision. not money, not warmer climates and peeps call on to trade him?? this fact alone says much for his character and is a guy i want as a teammate let alone all his untapped potential! i understand frustration and patience but wake up people!!

It might be bang on if there was any significant number of fans saying he should be traded. But there aren't so its a straw man argument which is the milli vanilli version of argument.

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#34 Zarny
July 08 2014, 03:33PM
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carson wrote:

Not a Schultz hater, but I don't think it's a case of fans running Schultz out of town AT ALL. It's really a case of perceived value vs. reality. Schultz is the Oilers most productive offensive d-man according to the stat sheet and looks to be well on his way to becoming a PP specialist, but that doesn't make him a true top 4. Last year, the Oilers dressed a grand total of one legit top 4 d-man - Petry - and he buckled under the workload. Schultz, on the other hand, plays easier minutes and gives up more than he gets. BUT, his 30-something points are more impressive looking than Petry's 18 or whatever, so he has a higher perceived value. It's like Hall vs. Eberle. I like both players a tongue, but you couldn't convince me that Eberle was a more essential part of the puzzle than Hall. Amazingly, there are still people who would disagree and maybe even people around the league. That's why, hypothetically, Eberle is a better option for a trade. Would I trade him? No, but he would be a less painful loss than Hall. I think that's what the talk of Schultz has mostly been. He puts up points, but he needs MAJOR support in the defensive zone and his value would be higher than a guy like Petry, who has a falsely manufactured low value.

Schultz looks to be on his way to becoming a PP specialist?

Really? Because over the last two seasons he ranks 6th among D for even strength goals. Of his 33 PT last year only 13 were on the PP.

Sorry, but that isn't becoming a PP specialist. That's simply a young D with only 122 games experience and holes in his defensive game putting up very good offensive numbers that border on elite in all situations.

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#35 2004Z06
July 08 2014, 03:34PM
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Kim wrote:

Very hard to evaluate players on the Oilers since they have been the worst team in the NHL for the last 8 years. Hard for the fans and hard for management.

And playing 2 levels above where they belong on the depth chart!

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#36 Qwerty
July 08 2014, 03:36PM
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Keep him because maybe he might learn defense? He's a defensman that can't play defense! He has alot of hype around him still and they could cash I'm on that hype and get a player that will actually help the team.

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#37 flyfish1168
July 08 2014, 03:40PM
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I would love to keep Schultz. But only for the right price. He and his agent must realize that he is still a work in progress and not be paid elite or core salary.

At this time he is only good at one out of the three zones and is a one dimensional player. He should be than paid acccordingly.

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#38 carson
July 08 2014, 03:44PM
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@Zarny

Over 1/3 of your offensive production is no small amount and maybe he's not a PP specialist as much as we hoped he could be - he certainly should take a piece of the blame for the ineptitude of the PP last season - so you're probably right in that regard. Schultz has some nice stats in the points department, but 5V5 he gives much more than he gets. One hopes that improves over time and I believe it can with some properly sheltered minutes and a reliable partner. That said, as things stand now he is not a top 4 quality defender and I fully expect all of Klefbom, Marincin and Nurse to pass him by over the next few years. It's all hypothetical, but if you HAVE to trade a D-man (and I need to stress that the Oilers do not), there's a greater likelihood you could get more for Schultz than you could for Petry, despite the fact that Petry, despite his warts, is probably the all around better D-man.

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#39 HallFever
July 08 2014, 03:44PM
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Schultz and Yakupov must STAY.

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#40 gravis82
July 08 2014, 03:47PM
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Jason. Its not biased. Data shows that Petry is better than Schultz. I understand its points that matter and Schultz is still developing, but goals and assists of a single player are a very crude indicator of the influence they have on their team winning. You of course are aware of that. The gold standard of ranking players from best to worst relative to each other would be to put each player on the ice with every other player in the NHL for the same amount of time in the exact same situation for multiple seasons of 20min a night playing time and then answer the following question: "when player A is on the ice what is the probability that their team: a)will score, b)will be scored upon. Since we obviously cannot do this, advanced stats looks to estimate this impossible experiment through the examination of other more common events that are likely predictive of outscoring the opposition. Bottom line is, Petry consistently shows better than Schultz in this regard. Id personally trade Schultz as his trade value is higher but his actual value to helping his team outscore the opposition appears to be lower. Since Petry likely has 7 more years of good legs left, id say keep him and deal schultz for a 22-24y 2C with decent advanced metrics. I dont think Schultz will be much more than MA Bergeron anyway. #longwindedopinion #longwindedhashtag

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#41 Qwerty
July 08 2014, 03:50PM
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If you can pay him 2 mill to sit on the bench and play the power play and get a little offensive zone starts 5x5 go hard. If your gonna pay him big money to watch him struggle defensively whats the point and how does it help the team actually win games?

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#42 Big K
July 08 2014, 03:53PM
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@wiseguy

OHHHHH , fans run the team i forgot. Beat it.

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#43 Rusty Patenaude
July 08 2014, 03:53PM
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Schultz with the right LH partner will be able to improve his d-zone coverage. Don't forget Eakin's FAILED d system experiment in year 2 which obviously set back his development. Some stability and easier minutes along with proper coaching (Ramsey) should see Schultz making serious progress this season.

I don't see any urgency to move Petry either. Not unless the return is significant.

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#44 Sean17
July 08 2014, 03:54PM
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He is Brian Campbell 2.0. Great offense, ok defense. Puts up points, not PIM. And that is perfectly fine by me. If he can be surrounded by other D-Men who can cover for him. I think Paul Coffey had the luxury of a D partner that did that for him and it worked out pretty good.

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#45 backup bob
July 08 2014, 03:56PM
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Schultz needs to be put in a position to succeed. Put him on the power play. He is a puck moving D-man, not a shut down guy.

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#46 David S
July 08 2014, 03:56PM
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Not saying anything negative about Schultz' "defense" because there's already enough of that around here, but if he was anywhere near 50% on the dot we'd have our 2C problem solved.

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#47 Sean17
July 08 2014, 03:58PM
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What's with the #hashtags in comments?

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#48 carson
July 08 2014, 04:01PM
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backup bob wrote:

Schultz needs to be put in a position to succeed. Put him on the power play. He is a puck moving D-man, not a shut down guy.

What you and the two posts above say about Schultz is very true - if he had a little help he might be just fine, but I disagree with the "puck moving d-man" tag. Schultz has a seeing-eye wrister and a knack for making high risk/high reward pinch, but I'm less sure he provides the great "first pass" that teams covet. To me, he's often seemed indecisive a deferential with the puck in his own zone.

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#49 mcselli
July 08 2014, 04:09PM
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Hopefully we see huge improvements to the team this year. With new guys on the roster bringing experience, and ineffective guys no longer on the roster, the coaching experience that Ramsay will bring, I have some optimism going in to the season. Now if we can get a good goalie coach, and a centre and let Leon and the rest of the younger guys get further developed in OKC, that would be even better. As far as Petry ,Yak and Shultz, I really thing they are going to flourish with the additions the Oilers are introducing this year.

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#50 yaaaaaaaa
July 08 2014, 04:12PM
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totally not in context, but we should try to sign Ryan Johansen away from the Blue Jackets

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