GDB 45: Vincent Lecavalier

As we wait for the game against the Coyotes to begin, let’s consider two players over the past two seasons. Both are gritty, have good size, and are well-known and often mentioned as Top-10 players. Here are the numbers:

Player A

2008-09: 45GP – 28G – 21A – 59 PTS, +10

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2007-08: 82GP – 40G – 66A – 106 PTS, -8

2006-07: 82GP – 56G – 54A – 100 PTS, +23

Player B

2008-09: 45GP – 15G – 22A – 37 PTS, +4

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2007-08: 82GP – 41G – 44A – 85 PTS, -23

2006-07: 82GP – 49G – 57A – 106 PTS, -11

Player A is clearly superior to Player B. Outside of a slight difference in one season, he’s been a far better offensive performer, and his +/- totals are well ahead of Player B. Yet everybody, bizarrely enough, thinks that these two players are identical in ability, despite the fact that the statistics don’t support it at all.

The reason that everybody regards these two players as identical talents is because they are one player. Player A is Vincent Lecavalier, specifically his point totals against his own division, pro-rated over full seasons. Player B is Vincent Lecavalier against the rest of the NHL, pro-rated over an entire season.

I haven’t gotten into the effect of the various divisions on player performance, but it is something that we as Oilers fans should be wise to. We’ve seen the effect on Erik Cole, and it isn’t an illusion. The Southeast is the worst division in the NHL, by far, and it isn’t surprising that some of the league’s top goal- and point- scorers can be found there. It’s something that GM’s should keep in mind before making trades, at any rate.

It’s something Oilers fans should keep in the back of their mind as they watch their team play the Coyotes and fantasize about what a new addition to the lineup could do to help the cause.

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  • Hippy

    deep oil wrote:

    club penguin is way better for the younger folk – my friend sold it to disney for $300 million and $600 million in stock options – he is a major player in kelowna

    Incorrect Sir.

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/01/disney-acquires-club-penguin/

    "The WSJ says the purchase price is $350 million in cash. Disney could pay up to another $350 million if certain performance targets are reached over the next couple of years, until 2009."

  • Hippy

    Travis Dakin wrote:

    @ deep oil:
    connected how?

    name a favor in vegas, hollywood and I can get access – start with LV – ghostbar, moon, nine steakhouse, – i will create a post next week to show you the JIMMY TIPTON naughty nighty party – unbelievable – but really everyone on this site thinks my calling out katz and other bankrupt owners are just my imagination – ooohhh and mandel is not supporting RX2 – he will just place a dummy stupid tax on airport car rentals, downtown hotel levy, restaurant service charge and give it all to northlands to run for katz – this is one merry go round

  • Hippy

    deep oil wrote:

    Travis Dakin wrote:
    @ deep oil:
    connected how?
    name a favor in vegas, hollywood and I can get access – start with LV – ghostbar, moon, nine steakhouse, – i will create a post next week to show you the JIMMY TIPTON naughty nighty party – unbelievable – but really everyone on this site thinks my calling out katz and other bankrupt owners are just my imagination – ooohhh and mandel is not supporting RX2 – he will just place a dummy stupid tax on airport car rentals, downtown hotel levy, restaurant service charge and give it all to northlands to run for katz – this is one merry go round

    I… I… wow.

  • Hippy

    deep oil wrote:

    name a favor in vegas, hollywood and I can get access

    K I am LA with buddies in Feb, hook me up sweet hotel cheap and get me in a luxary suite for the Oil v Kings game on the Feb14 game.

  • Hippy

    Ender the Dragon wrote:

    JW makes the case that it would be a poor trade for the Oil. CurtisS thinks it’s a no-brainer that the Oil do the trade in a second. I’m not sure what Gregor thinks; his answer is a bit ambiguous, but maybe he wasn’t aware there was a question.

    I didn't know there was a question, but my answer is clear. If I'm starting a team, I take Lecavalier over Hemsky any day.

    There is a reason why Lecavalier is making the money he will make and what Hemsky makes, he has earned it. Hemsky has never been an 80 point player. Take out the salary and I don't care what division they play in, I take Vinny hands down. Anyone who thinks Hemsky is better is wearing coloured glasses. Lecavalier plays in any situation, scores more goals, it tougher and has put up more points.

    To say that a GM would take Hemsky over Vinny is only based on money. If the question is what player/salary would fit better on a team, that is different than who is flat out a better player. I asked 10 scouts at the game tonight, and 10 out of 10 agreed with me.

    My other point Jonathon, you talk about tough and soft minutes. Well it seems that all 1st line players are considered tough minutes. But if a team has a checking line that doesn't score, wouldn't they be harder minutes to play against as on offensive player? Just curious.

  • Hippy

    Ender the Dragon wrote:

    For the record, I’m with JW on this. Hemsky is the better player for the Oil. If Vinnie comes to Edmonton, then his offensive numbers drop, our goals against goes up, and his salary eats up any chance of bringing in any significant other support. And I don’t think the Oil are the only team who don’t make that trade, either.

    What makes you believe his numbers go down? Vinny MAKES players around him better, which is the key to being a great player. Look at St.Louis' numbers before he came to Tampa, Richards since he has left Tampa and how Prospal's numbers are much better in Tampa than anywhere else.

    You are basing your debate on salary, not the player.

  • Hippy

    deep oil wrote:

    Travis Dakin wrote:
    @ deep oil:
    connected how?
    name a favor in vegas, hollywood and I can get access – start with LV – ghostbar, moon, nine steakhouse, – i will create a post next week to show you the JIMMY TIPTON naughty nighty party – unbelievable – but really everyone on this site thinks my calling out katz and other bankrupt owners are just my imagination – ooohhh and mandel is not supporting RX2 – he will just place a dummy stupid tax on airport car rentals, downtown hotel levy, restaurant service charge and give it all to northlands to run for katz – this is one merry go round

    What a strange thing to say…

  • Hippy

    Hockey Gods wrote:

    deep oil wrote:
    name a favor in vegas, hollywood and I can get access
    K I am LA with buddies in Feb, hook me up sweet hotel cheap and get me in a luxary suite for the Oil v Kings game on the Feb14 game.

    i am there too – i will buy drinks for your group as a favor to show you that I have a heart for oil fans on the road – where do you want to stay – roosevelt where the playboy parties are – search karma foundation and make sure all oiler nation go on the cruise this september…type in karma cruise – wow – I cant go on this due to my marriage – but it is better than the photos – the luxury suite is not the way to go – i suggest the buffet in the end zone – you can email me
    at deepoilnhl @ gmail.com – i will go to the wall for you with contacts – you foot the bill…. no problem – btw we are heading to phx on southwest later that night for a week of hockey, nba allstar fun at barcelonas and golf

  • Hippy

    deep oil wrote:

    you can email me
    at deepoilnhl @ gmail.com – i will go to the wall for you with contacts – you foot the bill…. no problem – btw we are heading to phx on southwest later that night for a week of hockey, nba allstar fun at barcelonas and golf

    Whoa Whoa whoa, I wasn't asking to be your friend LOL

  • Hippy

    Hockey Gods wrote:

    deep oil wrote:
    you can email me
    at deepoilnhl @ gmail.com – i will go to the wall for you with contacts – you foot the bill…. no problem – btw we are heading to phx on southwest later that night for a week of hockey, nba allstar fun at barcelonas and golf
    Whoa Whoa whoa, I wasn’t asking to be your friend LOL

    There there, play nice everyone.

  • Hippy

    Dropping Deuces wrote:

    What ever became of Morley Scott. Did Phillips have him knocked off for always correcting him?

    morely is in the mix for 630 ched eskimo play by play with the retirement of hallsy in the next 5 years… gregor should inherit hallsy's gig – he is the broadcaster with a football show

    deep oil knows that morley is on the payroll for the next two years courtesy of batman – holiday with oiler management ticket – not pleased that stauffer was brought it – unannounced – allan watt was pulling his hair out – ooooops sorry