Vinny ain’t is not coming to Edmonton

Oiler fans can stop wondering if Vinny Lecavalier is coming to town, because after conversations I had today he won’t be suiting up for the Oilers, or any other team, anytime soon.

Yes, the Oilers did have some preliminary talks with the Lightning, and while I couldn’t get the exact names that came up, the package that Tampa needed to even start the conversation looked something like this:

  • Horcoff or Penner, because the Oilers would have to free up money to bring on #4 (interesting sidenote: If he had come here, would he get to wear #4?),
  • One of either Gagner or Cogliano,
  • One of the young puck moving D-men in Gilbert and Grebeshkov.

The Bolts are also looking at some young players that won’t cost anything, and from what I understand Jordan Eberle would have had to be part of the package, and then another young D-man. Which would lead me to believe it would have been one of Taylor Chorney, Jeff Petry or possibly Theo Peckham.

Once again, let me reiterate that I couldn’t get the exact names that were involved, but a combination including the aforementioned names would have been necessary. And the conversation was not a serious one, but rather a kicking of the tires type of chat to see what it would take to pry him out of Tampa Bay. The fact the talks happened leads me to believe that the Oilers are still very much interested in landing a bona fide first line player.

I was also told that as of today, Lecavalier is not on the market anymore because the Bolts have received many emails from season ticket holders claiming, “If you trade Lecavalier, I will cancel my seats.” I spoke with a lady in marketing and she said they have received over 1,500 complaints via phone and email since last Monday, and the calls are still coming in.

Lecavalier is huge in Tampa, and the ownership can’t afford to trade him. I don’t believe the Oilers would have acquired him if it meant giving up three NHLers, two prospects and a pick.

Money-wise, Tampa wouldn’t have saved any, but they would have added three players who could play today and two pretty high-end prospects to help them down the road.

Would you trade Horcoff, Cogliano, Gilbert, Eberle, Chorney and a pick? Or Penner, Gagner, Grebeshkov, Eberle, Peckham and a pick? Neither trade looks good, especially when you consider they would be taking on an $8 million contract for one player. His salary is what makes it a hard trade to make, but his overall package makes it hard not to seriously consider it.

It makes for an interesting debate, but you can be guaranteed that Lecavalier will not be a member of the Oilers this year, or any season down the road. Montreal had an offer on the table as well, but right now the Bolts are keeping Lecavalier.

If they change their mind before Jul. 1, they will ask him for a list of teams he wants to go to and then start negotiations with those teams, and according to a non-Oiler NHL executive he wants to stay in the East.

  • oilmoose

    Time to wait and see. Lots will shake loose between now and the trading deadline. Prices and values will only depreciate as time goes by. The haves vs. the have nots are only going to benefit with time. Time is on our side.

  • douggy

    im glad the oilers didn't make that deal! my respect level is starting to go up for the guys in the office, but i still think they need changes! anyways, good on the oil. Hemsky is god!

  • TV

    douggy wrote:

    does anyone know the full details of smyttys contract in colorado? is there a ntc?

    #94 makes $7.5/08' – $7.25/09' – $6.5/10' – $5.5/11' – $4.5/12' – UFA/13'

    Cap Hit = $6,250,000 per season

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  • TV

    douggy wrote:
    does anyone know the full details of smyttys contract in colorado? is there a ntc?

    #94 makes $7.5/08? – $7.25/09? – $6.5/10? – $5.5/11? – $4.5/12? – UFA/13?

    Cap Hit = $6,250,000 per season

    Ryan Smyth – NMC

    x6

  • mwhite.dking@nf.sympatico.ca

    It would be nice to be rid of Penner and it is Lawton's job to ask for the moon.

    But it's also the job of other GM's to prove that's not where they were born;)

    I can't see many people coming as close to supporing that package as Gregor just did.

    It's not like you're getting Oveckin in return.

  • Ender the Dragon

    TV wrote:

    Marty’s game has been “below average” at best this season for the Birds.

    Are you kidding me? Have you even looked? On an absolutely brutal Thrashers team, Marty is on pace to equal his 25 points with the Oil last year. He's a +2 on the year and has a 58.6 FO% over the past 5 games. This is your idea of a 'below average' 4th-line center? For Pete's sake, who do you want down there? That's better than any of the fourth-line centres on our arguably much better team. Check out their numbers if you don't believe me.

  • mwhite.dking@nf.sympatico.ca wrote:

    I can’t see many people coming as close to supporing that package as Gregor just did.
    It’s not like you’re getting Oveckin in return.

    I never supported the package, I reported what they were looking for. I wouldn't do the first one, but if it was Penner, Gagner, Grebeshkov, Chorney and a 1st I would…If they wouldn't have to part with Eberle I would make that trade.

    Sure it is a risk, but every trade is. Lecavalier is as good as Penner and Gagner combined. Chorney is really struggling now and he won't be here for a few years, while Grebeshkov's contract demands will probably be at least $3.2/season.

    Now the trade will never happen and #4 won't be an Oiler but I would make that trade.

  • rindog

    @ Chris:

    So I am assuming that you don't think Hemsky is a comaparible player to Heatley or Alfredsson?

    The whole point of us getting a top line player is to compliment Hemsky.

    One can only imagine the numbers #83 would put up if were playing with a god offensive centerman???

  • rindog

    @ mjsh:

    Hemsky has 242 points in 255 games since the lockout???

    You call that inconsistant?

    You need to also keep in mind that those points were put up while playing with some average (at best) linemates and only getting 15 minutes per game on a lot of nights.

  • Travis Dakin

    rindog wrote:

    One can only imagine the numbers #83 would put up if were playing with a god offensive centerman???

    Or a goal scoring left winger *cough Kovalchuk cough*

    excuse me.

  • rindog

    @ Jason Gregor:

    It's the same thing that was said before about Ryan Smyth..

    If Smytty (or Horcoff) is the face of your franchise….you're not a very good team!!!

  • mwhite.dking@nf.sympatico.ca

    Jason: I said you came Close to supporting that trade. There's a difference in that and saying you were 100% behind it.

    But let's say you get what you want and those players are the ones out the door. Are you ready to give up on 18 and 24 and stash their salaries in the minors?

  • Chris

    rindog wrote:

    @ Chris:
    So I am assuming that you don’t think Hemsky is a comaparible player to Heatley or Alfredsson?
    The whole point of us getting a top line player is to compliment Hemsky.
    One can only imagine the numbers #83 would put up if were playing with a god offensive centerman???

    I'm saying Spezza is not comparable to LeCavlier. Spezza, like Horcoff and Penner, would see his numbers drastically drop off with Hemmer out. LeCavlier would be capable of generating some offence all on his own… LeCavlier is a next level player…. Spezza is not.

  • rindog

    @ Chris:
    Chris wrote:

    *Trembling in fear at the coming onslaught of Spezza stats heavily slanted by his playing time with Heatley and Alfredsson*

    Lecavalier has played with the likes of St.Louis and Richards as well.

    Did you know that since the lockout:

    Spezza has played 245 games and has 306 points (1.24ppga).

    Lecavalier has played 290 games and has 319 points (1.10ppga).

    Chris wrote:

    Spezza, like Horcoff and Penner, would see his numbers drastically drop off with Hemmer out. LeCavlier would be capable of generating some offence all on his own

    What makes you think this?

    I am not even saying that Lecavalier isn't a better hockey player. But considering the post lockout production, the fact that Spezza is 3 years younger and 700K cheaper per year, and that Spezza'a contract is up way before Vinnie's is…..The fact that you think there is such a difference between the two players is a bit puzzling??

  • TV

    Ender the Dragon wrote:

    TV wrote:
    Marty’s game has been “below average” at best this season for the Birds.

    Are you kidding me? Have you even looked? On an absolutely brutal Thrashers team, Marty is on pace to equal his 25 points with the Oil last year. He’s a +2 on the year and has a 58.6 FO% over the past 5 games. This is your idea of a ‘below average’ 4th-line center? For Pete’s sake, who do you want down there? That’s better than any of the fourth-line centres on our arguably much better team. Check out their numbers if you don’t believe me.

    Oh, I've looked, too many times for my own good actually. (& I'm talking actual Hotlanta games, not just stats)

    You can harp on his stats till your blue in the face, but it still won't give Marty his youth back. He's been 2 steps behind all season long & simply does not get the job done 5on5 at all.

    Not that it happens much, but when the Birds are up 1 with a minute to play, where is Marty? He's been stapled to the pine on many occasions instead of taking the big draw & shutting down the opposing teams best players when the game is on the line. (on a arguably inferior team with less depth than the Oil)

    He's a great guy, but his time has passed, especially as an Oiler IMO…

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