Vinny ain’t is not coming to Edmonton

Oiler fans can stop wondering if Vinny Lecavalier is coming to town, because after conversations I had today he won’t be suiting up for the Oilers, or any other team, anytime soon.

Yes, the Oilers did have some preliminary talks with the Lightning, and while I couldn’t get the exact names that came up, the package that Tampa needed to even start the conversation looked something like this:

  • Horcoff or Penner, because the Oilers would have to free up money to bring on #4 (interesting sidenote: If he had come here, would he get to wear #4?),
  • One of either Gagner or Cogliano,
  • One of the young puck moving D-men in Gilbert and Grebeshkov.

The Bolts are also looking at some young players that won’t cost anything, and from what I understand Jordan Eberle would have had to be part of the package, and then another young D-man. Which would lead me to believe it would have been one of Taylor Chorney, Jeff Petry or possibly Theo Peckham.

Once again, let me reiterate that I couldn’t get the exact names that were involved, but a combination including the aforementioned names would have been necessary. And the conversation was not a serious one, but rather a kicking of the tires type of chat to see what it would take to pry him out of Tampa Bay. The fact the talks happened leads me to believe that the Oilers are still very much interested in landing a bona fide first line player.

I was also told that as of today, Lecavalier is not on the market anymore because the Bolts have received many emails from season ticket holders claiming, “If you trade Lecavalier, I will cancel my seats.” I spoke with a lady in marketing and she said they have received over 1,500 complaints via phone and email since last Monday, and the calls are still coming in.

Lecavalier is huge in Tampa, and the ownership can’t afford to trade him. I don’t believe the Oilers would have acquired him if it meant giving up three NHLers, two prospects and a pick.

Money-wise, Tampa wouldn’t have saved any, but they would have added three players who could play today and two pretty high-end prospects to help them down the road.

Would you trade Horcoff, Cogliano, Gilbert, Eberle, Chorney and a pick? Or Penner, Gagner, Grebeshkov, Eberle, Peckham and a pick? Neither trade looks good, especially when you consider they would be taking on an $8 million contract for one player. His salary is what makes it a hard trade to make, but his overall package makes it hard not to seriously consider it.

It makes for an interesting debate, but you can be guaranteed that Lecavalier will not be a member of the Oilers this year, or any season down the road. Montreal had an offer on the table as well, but right now the Bolts are keeping Lecavalier.

If they change their mind before Jul. 1, they will ask him for a list of teams he wants to go to and then start negotiations with those teams, and according to a non-Oiler NHL executive he wants to stay in the East.

  • Rick

    I don't know what makes the Tampa ownership look more stupid, trading their franchise player through their own volition or not trading him because their fans are telling them not to.

    What the hell are they paying a GM for? They are running their club like they're on Wheel of Fortune down there.

  • Jack "slacking off at work" Bauer

    Pokie Reddik wrote:

    shea wrote:
    What good would Spezza do here? Mac T would eat him alive. Besides, we already have a guy like that by the name of Hemmer. We need a shooter and thats it.@ Smokin’ Ray:
    Spezza is a shooter, but he won’t cost that much, I would let Horcoff and Moreau go but they wouldn’t take Moreau, Eberle would be too high
    Trade :
    Horcoff, Schremp,Chorney and 2nd round
    for :
    Spezza and 4th round 2009 and 3rd round in 2010
    fair deal for both.
    Murray wants Gilbert or Greb. Oilers want to rid of Horc’s contract to make it happen. Maybe a multiplayer deal .

    So an overpaid player with 2 failures of prospects and a couple of shît draft picks for Spezza? Sounds like the typical Oilers fan's trade. Our junk for thier best.

  • mjsh

    I Chris wrote:

    Smokin’ Ray wrote:
    Too damn steep of a price. But I am sure Ottawa is asking similar to this for Spezza.
    Spezza is no LeCavlier. My gut tells me Spezza would likely be a big disappointment in Edmonton. I know I’ll get crucified for saying this but I like Cole over Spezza… and look at how much trouble Cole has had.
    *Trembling in fear at the coming onslaught of Spezza stats heavily slanted by his playing time with Heatley and Alfredsson*

    I agree. Spezza is not the type of player we want here. The only name out there that I like is Kovalchuck and I would not give up Horcoff for him. I was listening to Gregor in my truck on the way home and he was talking about not having a "face" of the franchise since maybe Ryan Smith. While Hemsky is the star, to me Horcoff is the face I want for the Oilers. He is not getting the points but he has been the most important Oiler this year. With no true defensive faceoff guy, Horcoff has been overworked by Mac T.

    It has always been that the team who gets the best player wins the trade. So if Penner, one of Gilbert, Grebs, Gagne or Cogs plus a draft choice is the cost of a big name, I saw go for it.!!!

  • Chris

    Smokin' Ray wrote:

    Too damn steep of a price. But I am sure Ottawa is asking similar to this for Spezza.

    Spezza is no LeCavlier. My gut tells me Spezza would likely be a big disappointment in Edmonton. I know I'll get crucified for saying this but I like Cole over Spezza… and look at how much trouble Cole has had.

    *Trembling in fear at the coming onslaught of Spezza stats heavily slanted by his playing time with Heatley and Alfredsson*

  • Pokie Reddik

    shea wrote:

    What good would Spezza do here? Mac T would eat him alive. Besides, we already have a guy like that by the name of Hemmer. We need a shooter and thats it.@ Smokin’ Ray:

    Spezza is a shooter, but he won't cost that much, I would let Horcoff and Moreau go but they wouldn't take Moreau, Eberle would be too high

    Trade :

    Horcoff, Schremp,Chorney and 2nd round

    for :
    Spezza and 4th round 2009 and 3rd round in 2010

    fair deal for both.

    Murray wants Gilbert or Greb. Oilers want to rid of Horc's contract to make it happen. Maybe a multiplayer deal .

  • shea

    What good would Spezza do here? Mac T would eat him alive. Besides, we already have a guy like that by the name of Hemmer. We need a shooter and thats it.@ Smokin' Ray:

  • Ol goalie

    Well that's a big price tag: more than RB's Escalade.

    In fact, I don't remember any individual player getting that much on the trade market for a long time. I suppose Lindros brought in more in his first trade, but only because Forsberg turned out to be so good, better than the "big E"

    I think if you chose the following from Gregor's list, and got Eberle – a steal of a pick- out of there, it's not so bad:

    Penner (overpaid), Cogliano (undersized), Greb. (pending RFA), Chorney (sucking it up in the AHL), and a first (instead of Eberle)

    That's 3 players a prospect and a first. That's more than players like this are supposed to fetch, but the Oilers could do it given how many young players they have.

  • Chris

    This has always been an intellectual exercise… I don't think many people ever thought Vinny would leave Tampa; and if he did; that he would go anywhere but Montreal; and if he did; that the destination out of 28 other interested teams would be Edmonton; and if he did; that he would like it, and stay, and produce….

    P.S. Players like Grebs, Cogs, Eberle, etc are easier to find and replace than players like LeCavlier.

  • bert

    Ender the Dragon wrote:

    Eight million eggs in one basket is just begging fate to take a hand in your club’s season. If Cogliano gets hurt, you grit your teeth and soldier on. If Gilbert goes down, you call someone up and plug the hole. But if your $8M player goes down with a serious injury, there’s no bailing on that sinking ship. You likely don’t have enough depth in that scenario to plug that hole and at that point it’s just about salvaging as many games as possible.

  • shakey

    I'm with Travis and the rest that think this is too much for Vinny.
    We want a good team that can place higher than 8th and make a good playoff run but not at that price.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Vinny 28 yes old?
    That means his contract runs out just before he's 40 and has a no trade clause in it. He's good but he won't be that good for that long.
    I'm not even sure if you make a deal for 2 NHLers and a prospect for Vinny and that contract. That's a risk.

  • Pokie Reddik

    bert wrote:

    what would you rather pay 7.5 for horcoff or 9.0 for vinnie. as for the rest of the warm bodies and picks thats what you give up for a top five nhler. the oilers would fleece the lightning if they could get them to take horcoff in return.

    Horcoffs contract, which was done this past summer is a result of Horc being a MacT type player, The Management will do what it can to save macT's job and not fire him. The Oilers have won 4 of the last 5 and it looks like MacT is here to stay, Vinny is not a MacT type player and there is no way he will come. On the other hand, watch for Reasoner to be back here soon with in the next couple of weeks, and he might only cost us Shcremp and a late draft pick.

  • Ender the Dragon

    Eight million eggs in one basket is just begging fate to take a hand in your club's season. If Cogliano gets hurt, you grit your teeth and soldier on. If Gilbert goes down, you call someone up and plug the hole. But if your $8M player goes down with a serious injury, there's no bailing on that sinking ship. You likely don't have enough depth in that scenario to plug that hole and at that point it's just about salvaging as many games as possible.

    A very good team that loses it's marquis player may still make the playoffs, if only just (see: Minnisota Wild). An average team that loses it's marquis player is fishing for a good draft position.

    If that was the deal (and logic dictates that it would have had to have been; why would the Bolts accept less?) then I am beyond relieved that it never went past tire-kicking.

  • Terry

    A Big fat no from me. That is way too much to give. If Edmonton wants a bonafide star, they can try free agency in the summer, or a rental player for the playoff run.

  • bert

    what would you rather pay 7.5 for horcoff or 9.0 for vinnie. as for the rest of the warm bodies and picks thats what you give up for a top five nhler. the oilers would fleece the lightning if they could get them to take horcoff in return.

  • Travis Dakin

    First off, The Bolts are insane if they think that is what he is worth. Thornton was had for far less and I'd take him 1000 times over Lecavalier.

    Second, Attn: Lowe, Katz, Tambellin- We the Fans in the Nation D'Oiler would surely love to have a Big name player added to this team but please do not turn us into the Lightning by having all of our cap space to one line. The team that you have assembled will be good if you just make a couple of minor personnel changes.

    That is all.

    Thanks Greggor.

  • Reggie

    Considering we would have to take on that salary for such a long time, there's no way they can be asking for 5 players in that kind of deal. That's an outrageous asking price.

    If the ownership group is in such a financial crunch, my real question is … would a dispersal draft require a team to pick up his overpriced contract or would it invalidate the contract ?