Ethan Moreau: where there’s Big Smoke there’s fire?

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Darren Dreger of TSN had Edmonton Oilers fans buzzing today through the attention-getter that is his Twitter account with the proclamation: "Oilers pushing trade hard. Moreau and others, but deals unlikely unless Edmonton sweetens the pot."

And fans should be talking because Dreger is as connected as it gets when it comes to who’s doing what in the NHL’s executive suites, and he’s bang on with his assessment of the push to move the Oilers captain.

As a follow up to what Dreger stirred the pot with today, the indication I’m getting is that the Toronto Maple Leafs are the team at the front of the line when it comes to talks with the Oilers about Moreau.

The name I’m hearing that might fit in a deal for Moreau, and a name that came up here in the last couple of days in the comments section, is that of defenceman Garnet Exelby.

SWEETEN THE DEAL

As Dreger said, the Oilers are going to have to "sweeten the pot" because there’s really no reason for the Maple Leafs to take Moreau for Exelby straight up. What the Maple Leafs are likely looking for is a draft pick as part of the deal because that’s a commodity GM Brian Burke wants and needs.

Moreau, 33, has one more season after this one at a salary of $1.750 million and his cap hit is $2 million. Exelby, 28, is making $1.725 million this season with a cap hit of $1.392 million. He’s an unrestricted free agent after this season.

Would Edmonton GM Steve Tambellini be "sweetening the pot" enough if he were to send, say, a third-round pick to Toronto with Moreau while taking a fourth-rounder back from Burke as part of a deal for Exelby?

Another scenario could see the Maple Leafs take Moreau and a pick for Exelby, giving them an extra asset for helping Tambellini rid himself of an extra year of salary.

In any case, the teams are talking, so we’ll have to keep an eye on this one.

AND…

I’m told, as Jason Gregor indicated here several days ago, Anaheim is one of the other teams the Oilers are talking to about Moreau, but I have no indication on the level of interest by the Ducks.

— Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

  • Dan the Man

    If they have to give up a pick to get rid of Moreau's contract I wonder if it would just be better to wait until June and buy him out instead?

    His buyout cap hit would be $666,667/yr for the next 2 years.

  • Jmask5

    Burke has said that he is willing to take on bad contracts for picks and then bury the contract in the Minors and I think he might be doing this here. I know Moreau has not been the best player for us this year but he has in the past and it would be a shame to see him treated like that.

  • Bucknuck

    on a side note, and a little off topic. What is wrong with Boston? You look at their team on paper and also how they did last year with a similar roster and I can't figure out why they are so far in the tank this season.

    Are they going to be buyers or sellers at the deadline? they have a few gross contracts, and I wonder if they would be a good dance partner with the Oilers who have a few of those and could also use a change.

    • Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

      Well, they are missing Kessel, and he was a big piece last year. Chara's not quite putting up the numbers he did last year, either.

      I loaded up on Boston picks in my office pool and I'm paying for it right now.

      • Bucknuck

        They remind me of the Oil a bit. All these great players underperforming at once. It makes you wonder.
        If they keep up their dive they might have two lottery picks.

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      Kessel and injuries are the two biggest things I see.

      As poorly as they are doing both Rask and Thomas are have real good years.

      Apparently they have put Ryder on the block in hopes of shakeup.

      • Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

        Thomas isn't doing that great. My pool has him in at…

        9 Regulation Wins

        15 Regulation Losses

        1 OTW

        2 OTL

        3 SOW

        5 SOL

        4 Shut-outs

        I haven't actually been watching Boston play, but I know Rask has been getting a fair bit of time between the pipes.

        Edit: I'm pretty sure one of the shut outs was a shoot-out loss, if that helps the numbers add up.

          • Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

            You're thinking Cory Schneider. I definitely think he's NHL ready. I've been watching him play for a couple years now, and wouldn't be surprised to see him in the big show next year.

            Schneider's numbers are also kind of skewed. The team's been on a bit of a losing skid lately, and it's definitely not his fault.

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    Lets keep in mind here that 3rd round picks litterally have +/- 10% chance of having an NHL career above 400 games…. obviously a far smaller % are impact players.

    3rd rounders or later (even 2nd rounders to an extent) are tossed around by NHL GM's all the time, it should hardly be a sticking point for a deal that seems to be in the teams best interest.

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      Draft picks won't do anything for Springfield for another 2-3 years. Trading for prospects that can play in the AHL without waivers for the next couple years is something we need.

        • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

          And you can't draft them this year and expect them to make an impact for at least 3 years.

          I said this the other day, I think Springfield needs to add more AHL players such as Arsene and Minard. Guys that are career minor league players, this way there is core of decent players. Not just a handful of AHl players and then 15 prospects.

  • Brownlee:

    I'm assuming the Oilers would waive Moreau before pulling the trigger on such a deal, have you heard that from your sources?

    Why trade, or downgrade, a draft pick before knowing, with certainty, that you can't get rid of him at no cost?

  • Chris.

    Moreau is a good person. I'm sure many of you feel that this is irrelevent; but that is the difference between managing a franchise on an intellectual level from behind a laptop vs. running the show for real.

    Coaches, managers, trainers, families, owners (past and present) know Ethan Moreau and his family in a manner that most commenters here are too cold, or detached to grasp. This isn't a video game, or a white board roster exercise: this is real life; and Moreau is a flesh and blood person who has bled for this franchise. Moreau has gotten up, grabbed a bagal (or whatever) and drove into Rexall, saying hello to everyone for over ten years. Was he a great captain? Unfortunantely, no. This doesn't change the fact that for the great balance of the nearly 600 games he has played for this franchise: Moreau has been a good Oiler. How many players have come and gone since his arrival? I agree that hockey is a business. I also agree that Moreau is no longer performing at a high level…. But it would be both shocking, and unwise for Oiler management to waive or buyout such a tenured player… You just don't discard core vetrans and good people like garbage; It's bad business.

    • Tha Legion

      Most of the players are good people but they are also the same players that would bolt from the team they've known for 10 yrs at the drop of a hat if it meant more money somewhere else….I know there are some cases where a player would take somewhat of a discount to stay with a certain team but for the most part it's about the money and not about being loyal.

      It's about winning. Putting Moreau on waivers would not be an NHL first and has been done already this season in other markets and stories of it being close to happening in others. There are threats of Wade Redden being buried in the minors and that comes from a team that seemingly every player in the league wants to go to.

      • Chris.

        I'm going to need specific examples of players who wore the C, and played more than 10 seasons for a franchise that waived them, or bought them out because their 2M dollar salary was too crippling…

        Right or wrong, it would be a nearly (if not completely) unprecedented move by the Oilers if they waived, or bought out Moreau… so why waste time discussing it? (It's not gonna happen!)

        • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

          Well that's quite specific..so I guess you win, lol…there are only 30 captains at any given time….and our team seems to be one of the few teams that don't give our captaincy to more of an impact player.

          It appears the team is trying to trade Moreau but if no one wants him, you do what you have to do.

          I wouldn't call putting Moreau on waivers unprecedented but if that's what you'd like to call it, fine.

          We discuss it because it's interesting and it could happen…maybe it won't but never say never.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            Who are we seriously going to give it to? Back when Moreau got it Stoll was the other option, but he was still young.

            Now who do you give it to? There is talk of everyone over 30 being dealt, with the exception of Strudwick. Hemsky really isn't a leader, not gagner, maybe Penner. But even Penner isn't an ideal captain.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            I would consider Hemsky…I think he wants to be a leader or so it was reported going into this season that he wanted to be looked upon as more of a leader….it might even springboard him or force him to become that leader even moreso

            I also wouldn't discount it going on Gagner depending on what is left after this thing has been blown up….I mean why not? He's seemingly going to be here for a long time and he has the qualities for it…

            I guess you could give it to Horcoff…he's guaranteed to be here for another 5 yrs.

            I wouldn't name a new captain this season, I'd definitely wait till next year

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            Clearly at least one team wants him. But for some reason alot of people don't want to downgrade from a 3rd to a 4th rounder to accomadate.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            I'd do that, picking back to back in round 4 at 91 and 92 and losing pick number 61 would be fine with me.

            It would take much more though to consider moving pick 31

          • Chris.

            Okay… forget the Captaincy. How many teams have waived or bought out players who played 600 or so games for them?

            My point is, Moreau isn't a newly aquired player who just isn't workig out… he has been a core guy and teams just don't waive or buy out core guys… It would be seen as dick move by an already unpopular franchise.

          • How much of a dick move is it when a player spends a long time with a team and leaves for somewhere else for more money?

            If the Oilers were such an unpopular franchise why did Souray sign here? Why did Penner sign here? Why did Comrie come back? Why did Horcoff sign for 6 more years?

            The only reason we can't get new stars to sign here is because we have a bad team….fix the bad team and they will come…part of the fix would be to purge Ethan Moreau from this squad…maybe sounds cruel but it is necessary. If we can't trade him then we have to look at other options.

            Putting Moreau on waivers would not be a dick move, it would be a move that signifies that this team is finally changing things around here and it is much needed.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            "If the Oilers were such an unpopular franchise why did Souray sign here? Why did Penner sign here? Why did Comrie come back? Why did Horcoff sign for 6 more years?"

            $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            I think it's pretty clear we are a bottom 3 destination for the majority of players in the league.

            If we were a mid range playoff team we might be bottom 6-8. If we were a cup contender we might be bottom 10 – 12.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            We aren't Toronto, New York (Manhattan), Anaheim or LA which are pretty much the only places that players would sign to go to regardless of where they were in the standings.

            We are a bottom 3 because we suck…you are crazy to think that we wouldn't be a top destination for free agents if we were a cup contender..

            I like how you say though like it's fact…

          • We weren't really one of the top teams…we squeaked into the 8th and final playoff spot and almost didn't make it….I don't think players are stupid…don't you think they could see that this team wasn't truly a cup contender going forward.

            Having said that Rollie stayed and besides Pronger there wasn't really any other new stars here.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            But core players like Peca, Samsonov, Spacek and Tarnstrom left.

            Although I would have to agree with your first paragraph.

          • Ender

            I hate to disagree (mmmmm, actually no I don't) but even if we were a contender every year we have several strikes against us. The media scrutiny is intense and adds a lot of pressure; many players have cited it as a problem in Canadian cities in general and Edmonton and Toronto specifically. Not being able to grab a burger without being mobbed by people (some friendly, some not so much) has got to suck. Our travel schedule is one of the worst in the league due to simple geographic location. And don't discount the weather; not everyone views six months of snow as 'normal'.

            Having a poor team doesn't help, but it's not the sole reason we're an unpopular trade destination.

          • Chris.

            I understand we have snow here, imagine that, we have snow, I guess no one else does. You are right, the media scrutiny here is intense but not really that bad here compared to in Toronto and Montreal. They have it in Vancouver too along with rain. Travel schedules are much worse in the west yes…in fact I'm betting San Jose has a bad travel schedule but they have a damn good team that others want to play for.

            Ok I'm not saying all the players are lining up to come here…what I'm saying is if we are a cup contender and near the top of the standings we would likely be a destination that many top end guys would love to come to.

            Of course we have things here that don't make it perfect but you have those things everywhere…why don't players flock to Florida? Why are they leaving there like it's going out of style? It doesn't have the scrutiny, they have nice weather, anonymity. No one signs there…why?

            The point I'm trying to make is that there are some here that are so jaded that they think that players don't want to come here because the Oilers are so unpopular for some perceived mis treatment of players….that's laughable

          • Of course we have things here that don't make it perfect but you have those things everywhere…why don't players flock to Florida? Why are they leaving there like it's going out of style? It doesn't have the scrutiny, they have nice weather, anonymity. No one signs there…why?

            Florida never really makes a push for stars as UFA's. They play all of their preseason games on the road to make money enough to meet payroll. There is no way that these guys can offer the huge dollars to players. You hear about T-bay being in financial dire straits because they spend money and have no revenues. Florida may not have revenues but they don't spend money either.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            As you said, Calgary has drawn one real star on the FA market in a long, long time. Calgary has been competitve for along time. It should be clear that even if we were in there boat we'd be (at best) in the same position as Calgary when it comes to attracting talent.

          • Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

            I guess to be fair to Calgary they had what they believed was star talent already in place…Kipper, Phaneuf, Regehr, Iginla

            So they didn't really have the cap space to grab UFA's and while I would agree that they have been somewhat competitive usually finishing around 6th to 8th in the conference, I wouldn't classify them as a cup contender or even close for that matter.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            Penner was offered 2mil more then what Burke was willing to give. Comrie had no options. Horcoff started his career here and had no reason to leave. Souray apparently had very few options, but this one was best as it was the closest to his family and kids.

            It's not that we have a hard time retaining guys once them come here, it's just to convince them to come here.

            Putting Moreau in the minors would be a tough one on the teammates that actually like him.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            Really? I guess maybe in one of the huge markets like New York or Toronto…so who are all these star players that are flocking to the worst teams in the league?

            Who have the NYI signed, how about Atlanta, what UFA has signed there? Other than Boumeester has Calgary ever even signed a huge star as a UFA? Florida? Carolina? Tampa Bay? Columbus? Minnesota? Nashville?

            This list goes on, the big stars sign with the huge markets, the west coast or whichever teams are winning teams. I'm not talking about retaining your own players I'm talking about signing new ones.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            Theirs usually only 2-4 "stars" that hit free agency every year.

            A couple of examples:

            Antropov went to Atl this summer

            Malone/Ohlund went to TB the last couple of years

          • It is a lot easier to sell someone on going to a bad team where you can golf all year and nobody bothers you when you go out for dinner than a s*&tty team where it is freaking cold and everyone follows every single move you make. If the money is the same and both hockey situations are similar which would you choose?

          • Chris.

            You dodged the question… I asked you (or anybody) how many teams have waived or bought out a player with around 600 games of service? IMO, the longstanding association between Moreau and the Oilers is an important point… and why I believe that it would be an unprecedented move by Oiler management to rid themselves of Moreau in such a manner. I can't think of even one comparable example from around the entire league.

          • Your question is carefully worded so as to make yourself a winner. Your question was carefully plotted to say that the player being placed on waivers had to be a long standing member with the same team….

            I'm not going to spend the hours coming up with that list which I'm sure exists.

            There were already many examples given of players with long…you will decided that if it's a player with 5 years that is doesn't equate.

            What you are saying is it's ok to treat a player who hasn't been with you for a long time like dirt but not a player how has been with you.

            You say this makes the Oilers unpopular but to treat a player who has only been with the team a short time woudn't be deemed to be unpopular. This is all in a self serving way.

            Again there have been many examples of players that have long careers being placed on waivers in this thread alone. Have a look back.

            Nylander, McLaren, Sykora, Schneider, Tverdosky, Kaspairaitus, Mogilny, Witt, etc

            I don't think it matters to a player how long he's been with a team, I don't think he will view being put on waivers as a positive thing…fact is it happens…in every franchise in the league.

          • Chris.

            I've only made two points. 1) IMO, it's bad business to treat longstanding employees with anything less than utmost respect… 2) (Somewhat backing point one) NHL GM's don't just buyout or waive tenured players. That is all.

            I believe it's fair for me to say that some people who have commented on this thread (not necessarily you) are being somewhat cavalier with this issue. It would be a real surprise around the hockey world should Moreau be waived…

            Despite much of the negativity here; Moreau still has value as a player in a clearly defined shutdown role… and is probably still tradeable. I think its a good idea for Oilers managemet to move Moreau to change the leadership mix… That said, the 2M (though high for a shutdown player)) is not crippling, nor should be the central focus in this discussion.

          • washed up

            I don't know where u work, but treating longstanding employees with respect is a thing of the past. The real world is a cruel one, even more so when your usefullness is gone.

          • Chris.

            Example? What team has waived or bought out a player that skated 600 or so games in that uniform over a ten year period? 500 games? 400? This isn't xbox. This is real life.

          • WTF kind of comment is that? If you want to be douche go right ahead, but being sentimental towards fringe players is exactly why this team has a Cap payroll and basement results.

            Who cares how many games he's played? The team doesnt want him. End of story. Grow up.

          • Chris.

            I'm not being a douche. You said, "vetran (tenured) players get waived all the time." I asked you for an example of a vetran player that had been waived by an organization for which he skated 600 games or so. My point it that it would be a big deal, and unlikely that Oiler management will waive Moreau… Try reading the thread before becomming all insulted, or better yet; give me an example… because I can't think of one.

          • Your criteria are meaningless. It truly doesnt matter how many games he played as an Oiler. If you cant see past that part then there isnt a point arguing with you.

            You're asking me about long serving players, why? Does that change the fact that the Oilers dont want him, are close to the cap, and unwilling to give up picks to move him? No. So why ask it?

          • Chris.

            It would be way too easy to shoot you down right now. You handed me the rifle, loaded, and sat down in front of the muzzle. If you can't grasp why the parameters I laid out are relevent to the discussion at hand… I'm wasting both our time.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            Wow, you claim something happens all the time and then the guy asks for examples within the parameters he had set.

            I think your last sentence needs to be saved for yourself.

          • Do I really need to provide examples of NHL players put on waivers? It happens ALL THE TIME.

            The parameters he set dont mean anything. If I asked for examples of NHL players who are also circus clowns in the off-season I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to find any. You'd also be hard pressed to find any relevancy in those parameters to the question of whether the Oilers should bury or waive Ethan Moreau.

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            Their is a difference between waiving a guy that doesn't have history with an orginization (ie Sykora) and one that does.

            This is why Chris stated that this isn't Xbox… and he's right, if it was common practice you'd have examples. But it isn't, and you don't.

          • I have to completely disagree with you on this subject. The general manager is there to manage the team's assets, not make friends. There needs to be a seperation between business and friendship.

            I dont see why the Oilers should give up draft picks to get rid of a guy solely because he worked here for a while when it is just as viable to get rid of him without giving up picks.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            There is a big difference between waiving a Liam Reddox and Ethan Moreau. Sure the parameters mean something, start treating all our players like crap and see how long it takes for Hemsky and Gagner to demand trades.

          • Tha Legion

            I hope the management can move Moreau as well and if you are correct about him having value to someone in a shutdown role then he will likely be traded.

            The topic today is Moreau given the article and yes alone his 2 mil of cap space is not crippling and that's why he's not the only one that we need to move as we do need more cap space. It's the combined 2 mil salaries that are crippling and a couple of big tickets.

            IMO we also need to move some of Nilsson, POS, Staios, Strudwick, Pisani, Pouliot, Stone, Potulny, Vishnovsky, Souray, Stortini, Gilbert and maybe Cogs. I'm not saying all, I'm saying some to get that coveted cap space we need to make room for players we've traded for, for prospects making the jump, for guys up for raises and maybe for some UFA's.

          • If Brind'amour is still playing (and he has another year at 3M) at age 39 on a nearly last place team then I can't see anyone meeting this description being treated like that.

            Once Carolina dumps Rod though . . . then can we do it?

          • Wouldn't you say most free agents that are signed are overpaid? Do you really, I mean really believe that it's only the Oilers that overpay free agents…cmon man seriously?

            The list is extensive of teams overpaying players to sign with them, not just in Edmonton

            Oh and from what I heard there was at least one team that was interested in Comrie and at a higher rate than he signed for here.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            Comrie signed in September so really how interested was that team?

            Teams do overpay for UFA's all the time, but how many teams over pay on just about every player they re-sign?

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            Well coming off a Stanley cup run probably most teams find their players want even more and have to pay to keep them.

            And going with an earlier point, you ask how many teams over pay on just about every player they re-sign? Tough to say….it pretty much looks like all of them as most everyone seems to be capped out and not all of them are top teams.

    • DoubleJ

      Moreau played on the fourth line his whole career. He's been blessed to still be playing in the nhl. And to be getting 2 million a year is a huge overpayment. I guess he got the raise because he was the captain?

      The Oilers (LOWE) have been too loyal to the tenured players, that's why the Oilers are in the mess that they're in. Look at the contracts the Oilers have dished out to these "tenured" players. It's time to run this team like a business.

      These "tenured" players are holding this team back. It's time to move on. Moreau had his time here. If Moreau and Staios don't get moved in trades, I believe there will be buyouts. It's just good business.

  • At the very least we could place Moreau on waivers and see if he gets claimed…if he clears it doesn't mean we have to send him down but we would have the option….and you never know someone may claim him.

    Maybe we should be talking about a buyout for Nilsson….I think his buyout would only be 1/3 of his one year remaining

  • Jmask5

    Something tells me the call was made by Burke and not Tambo. Trying to get something from a desperate team. Perhaps he thought that Oiler fans were putting pressure on Management to duplicate what Sutter did and called to see if he could rip us off. A last place team should never trade any picks ever.

  • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

    So with Pisani sitting once again is it because he is injuried? Or have they found out he has no trade value and that there is no point playing him anymore?

  • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

    Does anyone know with the olympic break if the players get paid during the break? Or are those couple of weeks consider non-nhl, so no money?

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      They still get paid, thats part of the reason why most trades will probably happen after the olympics unless the cap hits are very similar. Each passing day counts toward the cap hit, so thats like 16 days of cap hit that can be either saved or spent over that period.

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      Word is they are being paid and that is why many of the trades will wait until after the Olys….teams don't want to acquire a player and have to pay him to sit for those 2 weeks…I heard this on both Team 1260 and Ched

  • Bucknuck

    Everyone should remember that this years third rounder could be as high as a 61st pick. An Edmonton third rounder is potentially one pick worse than a San Jose 2nd rounder.

    a 1st, 31st, and 61st picks should get you some good players, particularly in a deep draft year like this one.

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      While I agree that our picks will be worth more then usual, it really depends what you do with that pick. Looking back there hasn't been a team that picked 1st overall and ended up with a real good pick at 31. There have been some decent players taken in those top few spots in round 2, but it isn't a real common occurence.

    • I spent some time going back to 1996 looking at 3rd round picks. They might even magically show up on here…

      Long story short 3-4 players drafted each of the past 15 years go on to significant careers in the NHL. Only person to become a franchise player (from memory) is Brad Richards, although that could be argued I'm sure.

      I would be willing to roll the dice on giving up the pick.

        • Thanks – I had them all in a post but it is caught in some sort of internet fish net here.

          Johan Franzen & Patrick Sharp other ones, not many BIG names. Lots of role or character guys. Hardly any players drafted in the 4th round amount to anything.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      first 5 picks of the third round:

      97: Karlen/Berry/Cech/Farkas/Hurme

      98: Hornung/Arkipov/Dipenta/Manning/Ward

      99: Konstantinov/Blatney/Vydarny/Hagman/Jaspers

      00: Makela/Birbraer/Lunqvist(not the good one)/Knopp/Telquvist

      01: Malec/Bell/Fedorov (not the good one)/Leblanc/Mcneill

      02: Ryznar/Tollefsen/kanko/Greg Campbell/Skinner

      03: Fraser/Filewich/Kosmach/Zhukov/Carcillo

      04: Lipisto/Johnson/Berti/Borer/Prust

      • Bucknuck

        OK fine.

        ~trade everything after round two – who needs those bums. we don't need role players on this team – there is no hope of building through the draft after round two anyways so lets just get rid of our picks and our players all at the same time

        sounds good.

        Hats off to you sir.~

        • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

          Ha-ha, hey I'm not saying 3rds or later or completly useless. Just saying I wouldn't let one hold us back from making a benificial trade.

          • Bucknuck

            Well that's the thing. I don't see it as "beneficial".

            After this season the only benefit I can see is that we won't have captain penalty on our team, and the Oil could accomplish that without losing the pick.

          • Dreger isn't saying there are multiple teams willing to get Moreau though. Maybe this is the best deal out there…

            Change the dressing room up, not have to worry about salary in the summer when having to overpay guys to come here. That's a win I would say.

            Steve Simmons had a quote in Toronto Sun earlier this season that was something like If you look up Dumb Penalty in the dictionary you see a picture of Garnett Exelby. So bringing him in would be a wash on the dumb penalty front.

          • It's been pointed out earlier but it's worth repeating.
            The Maple Leafs don't necessarily "want" Moreau in terms of him being a player, they want the draft pick that could come with him. The Oilers don't necessarily "want" Exelby, what they want is to dump the remaining year of Moreau's salary in the deal.

  • Jmask5

    Hemsky does want to be a leader. I remember reading that he was very happy to get the "A". Also last year his rant at the end of game where he said he wanted more responsibility and didn't want to be a checker. Which a lot of people thought was selfish. The only thing I saw wrong with that was that he told the media. Also Hemsky has begun to step up in the community by doing charity stuff like the hair shaving thing last year. If he wants to be captain then so be it. Besides Hemsky is our best clutch goal scorer right now and the best way to lead is to help the team win games.

  • Dan the Man

    Getting rid of Moreau isn't just about clearing 2 mil in cap space, that we may not even need anyways. It's also about creating and developing a new leadership core for a team that has not been very good for several seasons.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      X2

      Unless the team is gunning for Marleau this summer, the 2 million is basically irrelavant.

      Trade him to change the culture – Fine

      Trade him so people can click on cap geeks and see an extra 2 million in space – pointless.

  • Jmask5

    Btw a lot of people were harping on Hemsky for not staying long at practice earlier in the season yet I can't remember the last time I heard that Ethan Moreau or any of the veterans attended an optional practice. Especially Moreau who can use the practice since he is playing like garbage. What kind of example does that set with the young guys.

  • Tha Legion

    approach as a business not as friends, otherwise you fail at business.. and 2 mil cap isn't worthless considering we are a wretched cap team right now. Oil need to get down to about 48 Million or sign someone like Marleau long term to join our core of overpaid players.

  • Tha Legion

    and yes people don't want to play here because of our win percentage. If we'd have made the playoffs consistently Heater would have jumped at the chance. Weather is not as big a reason as you think. Fans are the same here as they are in any Canadian city

  • Bucknuck

    Am I crazy or are you guys arguing that 3-7 round picks aren't important on a rebuilding team?

    Was all this talk by everyone about rebuilding through the draft only about the first two rounds?

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      They are but those picks don't do much for usually 3-5 years. From the talk of us going after jagr and such there is no reason to believe we are doing a rebuild through the draft. It will be a tweak of current players and prospects along with a top3 pick and some UFA fill ins.

      Mostly specualtion, but what is there to show otherwise?

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      I think some are just saying that if we have to give up a 3rd rounder and take a 4th rounder back in order to trade Moreau that they would do it and so they are just trying to say that a 3rd rounder is no guaratee of being better than than the player you take in the 4th round.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      Just like everything, a rebuild needs balance. It's not 100% build through the draft, smart trades and complementary FA's are just as important.

        • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

          That's fine, I believe the main reason you don't is because like myself, you don't see the team playing a year with an extra 2 million in cap space as a positive.

          My rational is for a culture change and to (hopefully) us Moreau's roster spot to bring in a 26 year old Moreau.

  • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

    TSN says Kovalchuk could be traded within hours, according to their GM. They say the frontrunners are Boston, NY, Chicago.

  • @crash

    I don't think that the Oilers are the only team that overpays free agents – those are your words, not mine. Heck, they're not even the team that overpays the most often (NYR?). My response was to those players that you named specifically; you asked why they signed here.

    We gave Penner a huge offer sheet that Anaheim wouldn't match (and no other team had offered).

    I've read in many places that the Oilers offer to Souray was significantly higher than anyone else was offering.

    Horc – I don't think we need to get started with that one.

    You may be right about Comrie – I don't know if he took less to come here or not.

    • You may be right about Comrie – I don't know if he took less to come here or not.

      Comrie's family is worth a bajillion dollars and his girlfriend is too. He is one guy who probably doesn't care quite as much about the money. Do you think he'd go to Minnesota for what he is being paid this year? Rehabbing his image in Edmonton is probably worth something to him.

  • Ender

    Regarding Moreau leaving the team, there's little doubt that a trade is the most amicable way for the breakup to occur and I agree with Chris that the Oilers are probably going to be as amicable as possible after their long association with him. I myself would like to see a trade occur, but it has to be one that makes sense for the future and I don't think giving up any advantage in the draft, even a small one, is a good idea for the Oil.

    Like Chris, I don't think the Oilers view waivers as an option for Moreau. Regardless of where we get our information, the players have their own lines of communication and a word from Moreau about how we treated him like dirt after 10 years service is going to carry more weight with his colleagues than a CP article explaining how dumping the Captain was just good business sense. I think #18 has too much pride to try and keep up with AHL kids, and I don't disagree with that line of thought.

    On the other hand, though, a buyout isn't the same thing. While it certainly tells everyone that you're less than enamoured with a player's performance (to the degree that you're willing to pay them not to play for you) it has some upsides to it. The biggest is that even though you draw a paycheck from your old team, you are immediately available to play for a new team. In this respect, I don't see how Moreau could be quite as bitter over a buyout; it would be almost like getting traded, only he takes a risk of not getting a new contract. If he does sign elsewhere, though, he gets the bonus of two paychecks. I'm not as certain as Chris that the Oilers wouldn't seriously consider this option in the offseason if they can't find a good trade for him before then.