Taylor & Tyler: Tambellini should pitch his brains out to Peter Chiarelli

TORONTO - APRIL 13: Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini awaits the announcement for the first overall pick during the NHL Draft Lottery Drawing at the TSN Studio April 13, 2010 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Photo by Abelimages / Getty Images for NHL)

It’s not often a team with the second overall pick in the NHL Entry Draft has a reasonable chance to win now like the Boston Bruins do, and that’s reason enough why Steve Tambellini should be all over Peter Chiarelli like a bad haircut.

But, thanks to Brian Burke and the Phil Kessel trade, the Bruins are a team that’s already pretty good — 91 points this season, 116 in 2008-09 and 94 in 2007-08 — and a team that holds second pick in Los Angeles, right after the Oilers pick first (and take Tyler Seguin).

Given the make-up of the Bruins, who have a core of players entering or still in the prime of their careers, would Chiarelli be better off hanging on to his selection and taking Taylor Hall, as he has already suggested he might, or is it in his best interests to at least listen when Tambellini takes up residence in his ear?

If the conversation starts with Tambellini offering, say, Ales Hemsky and Gilbert Brule or Dustin Penner for his pick and a Seguin-Hall daily-double, is there reason to keep talking?

If I’m the GM of the Bruins, if I think my team might be a Stanley Cup contender with Hemsky and Penner, and if I’m willing to admit gainful employment is a consideration, the answer is yes.

Why wouldn’t Chiarelli listen?

Here and now

Before you laugh off the possibility of Tambellini swinging a deal to land Seguin and Hall, ask yourself this: will the Bruins be a better team over the next two seasons with Hall in the line-up or with Hemsky and Penner? Yes? No? Not sure? If yes, might the Bruins be good enough before Hall turns 21 to win a Stanley Cup with Hemsky and Penner?

Before you trot out cliches about "mortgaging the future" and the like, remember, that kind of talk takes on a different tone if you’re walking in Chiarelli’s shoes, as opposed to spouting platitudes as a fan or writer.

Talk about the future is fine, but the future can be somewhat more immediate in a city like Beantown that hasn’t sipped champagne from the Stanley Cup since 1972. Dale Tallon damn sure had a hand in building the Chicago Blackhawks, but he wasn’t around to enjoy the parade.

Is it a longshot that Tambellini will be able to convince Chiarelli to part with this pick? Duh. Of course it is. Chiarelli will have a line up of eager suitors trying to separate him from a crack at Hall with attractive offers. Then, there’s the optics of giving up a potential franchise player for a shot to win here and now — with no guarantee it’ll play out that way.

Of course, it’s not nearly as hard a sell if the Bruins win something before Chiarelli starts losing bits and pieces of his roster, as is inevitable under a salary cap, and Hall becomes the stud people project him to be.

From the Oilers end of things, Tambellini won’t get the answers to any of those questions unless he asks. He damn sure better — and it should be Plan A before he settles on trying to squeeze something out of Chiarelli to lay-off Hall if he can’t hit the home run.

What’s to lose?

I’ve already written why I’d offer up Hemsky. I’m not sure he’ll be here after his contract expires in two seasons, despite his candlelight dinner with owner Daryl Katz after the season ended. I’m not convinced Penner will re-sign in Edmonton, either.

So, I start this what-if scenario with them, but feel free to change or add names you think might make a deal possible. If that includes taking a hummer contract back, like that of Michael Ryder — the Bruins already have over $46 million committed to salaries next season, so the cap is a consideration — so be it. Tweak it however you like.

The point is, there shouldn’t be anybody near untouchable on the Oilers roster, not after four straight years out of the playoffs. Tambellini isn’t giving up the chance to win something in the next two or three years by parting with Hemsky, Penner, Brule or whoever.

But, if you add a combination of those names to Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Blake Wheeler, Milan Lucic, Zdeno Chara. Johnny Boychuk and Tuukka Rask, might that put the Bruins over the top?

If I’m Tambellini, I’m asking Chiarelli that question in Los Angeles, and I’m throwing offers at him in an attempt to get Seguin and Hall until the mini-bar is empty and he tells me to get the hell out of his room.

What’s to lose?

Know your audience

There’s some sharp fans out there, but there’s a handful of dullards with slack jaws and walnut-sized brains in the mix who keep things interesting by providing laugh-out-loud material.

Every Sunday, Jim Matheson serves up one of the best reads anywhere with Hockey World in the Journal. Matheson, an Elmer Ferguson Award winner — he’s in the writer’s wing of the Hockey Hall of Fame — got people talking with his latest offering last weekend.

Among other things, Matheson asked if the Oilers might make a pitch for Chicago’s Kris Versteeg with the 31st pick at the Entry Draft, if they might be interested in free agent defenceman John Scott and if San Jose might be interested in Sheldon Souray.

Matheson’s what-ifs and speculation drew this response by somebody calling himself "Asher" over at HF Boards.

"The more I read these Matheson "speculations" the more he comes off sounding like Eklund. I’ve often thought a lot of Eklund rumours are created by him sitting down looking at rosters and saying things like, "Gee, Team A could really use a player like the one Team B has that might be available." And then he goes on to create a rumour. I know Matty was writing for Eklund’s site a while back… maybe he picked up a few of Eklund’s writing habits along the way."

Matty was writing for Eklund a while back? Uh, no. Never has. Never will. That’s the wonderful thing about the interweb. Dolts can write stupid stuff that has no foundation in fact and people will read it because it’s only a mouse click away, alongside legit offerings from journalists, fans and bloggers who aren’t uttering nonsense and lies.

The right stuff

Hall certainly passed his drive-by to Edmonton today with flying colors, saying all the right things.

"I know how crazy this city is for hockey," Hall told reporters at Rexall Place. "I was having lunch at Joey’s and the chef came out and asked me to autograph his apron. People are recognizing me, already. I think it would be pretty cool to play here."

Part of the reason some people are pitching Seguin as a better fit for the Oilers is that he’s a centre, while Hall has played primarily left wing while leading the Windsor Spitfires to two straight Memorial Cups.

"I’d be very comfortable playing centre," Hall said. "In Windsor we had a lot of true centres who were better there than on the wing, so I moved over.

"When we had injuries this year, I moved back, and I played half the year I was at centre. It’s still hockey, it’s about winning battles in the offensive zone."

Seguin will stop in Edmonton for a look-see next week.

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  • Chris.

    If we were in Boston’s shoe would we give up any of our first two round picks to obtain Hall , when we could probably have Seguin , and as an example MacFarland ? I don’t see Boston messing with their second first round pick as part of any deal .

    With Oilers projected goaltending and defence this upcoming season it’s not unreasonable to expect even with Hall, moving very far forward going into next years draft . Trades might change that this season , but as it stands now i would not bank on us not being a bottom feeder again next season . I just hope they do not mess with our first round pick for next season because of that .

  • JaroslavPouzar

    Well since they should try and get the top two… why not get the top 3 picks and grab Fowler or Gudbranson as well? There are ZERO untouchables from last years roster…

  • Ducey

    I can’t see Boston wanting to take a Hemsky or a Penner and pass on Seguin or Hall. Hall/ Seguin are cheaper and are sure bets to be out producing Penner/ Hemsky in a year or two.

    A more realistic senario is where Boston gives the Oil someone for the Oilers to lay off Hall. I don’t think Wheeler is that good of a deal.

    If they gave us Colburne and a second round pick in return for Nash and the rights to Hall, this might be realistic.

    Colburne is 6’5″ and is a little better prospect than Nash but Nash is still a good prospect. Boston comes away with Hall and Nash. Edmonton comes away with Colburne, Seguin and another second.

    Nash will be in play. He likely would sign with Boston but he doesn’t seem to want any part of Edmonton.

  • If the Oilers Trade Penner, why not draft Hall ? Now that Ottawa has Spezza on the market and the Oilers have trade history with the Sens, trade for Spezza get your center and draft NHL ready Hall..

    Penner,Cogs,Smid for Spezza …Any thoughts ?

    Hall and MPS your top two LW

    • Looking back at that trade in July, aren’t you glad Heatley nixed it? I am. Yet again, a player has alerted the world they no longer want to play in Ottawa, so that leaves Murray in a tight situation. You’re not going to receive fair value for him. ST would be giving up too much for a player like Spezza, given the circumstances, in my opinion.

    • It was a bad trade for Heatley, it’s a worse trade for Spezza. They were only bidding against themselves. Heatley was moved for Michalek and Cheechoo. That’s a far cry from Penner, Cogs, and Smid. Based on that price I wouldnt even be entirely comfortable making it a straight up Penner for Spezza trade.

      It isnt about how good a player is or isnt, it’s about how much the other 29 teams are willing offer. Teams arent dying for high priced, under-performing malcontents with defensive deficiencies. Making the same sh*tty trade from last year for Spezza is bad news.

        • So you still think that the starting price to move Spezza is the same as was offered for Heatley after the San Jose trade?

          I dont see that many clubs lining up offers for the guy.

          We dodged a bullet by missing out on Heatley.

          • The offering price shouldn’t be the same since Heatley is better than Spezza. Spezza is making big money so the Oilers have to send equal money back because of the cap. I don’t think those players have to be part of a trade, I like Penner and really like Smid.

            I think thats what the Sens would ask for. Smid to replace the dman they are losing to free agency, A top 6 forward and the Oilers have to throw someone in the make the money work.

            I’m not big on Spezza but he is a number #1 center and we don’t have one.

  • Brownlee, what do you think of targeting the Blackhawks? I’m not speaking of Sharp or Byfuglien, rather Ladd? Ever since his junior days with the Hitmen, I have wanted to see him in an Oilers jersey. He can produce points, yes, but it’s the intangibles that I like about him most. He’s 24; already has 2 cups to his name. I believe he’s the perfect winger this team needs. And I don’t worry about him not wanting to play in a city like Edmonton, for I don’t see him being the “prima donna” type. What are your thoughts?

  • Brownie, Matty’s a good read but don’t sell yourself short! It seems to me you were the one who started all the talk about getting the second pick in a trade. I think its tough to choose between the two (it would be nice to have both) but i’m with you in picking Seguin. All great teams build up the middle in the draft first and work outward. It seems to me you can always pick up a great winger in free agency or via a trade but never a centre. Going back in draft history the only time I can see a winger being a bigger impact player was when the Habs took LaFleur over Dionne. Recently this happened again with Ovie and Malkin and I know Ovie is better than Malkin but i feel since Ovie is on the wing Malkin makes a bigger impact and it shows in the teams success.
    Anyway, I say take Seguin for sure and unload the laundry to try and get Hall as well. Both are great but Seguin will be awesome.

  • Spezza is great, for sure in the top 12 as far as centres, but we should have tried to get him 4 years ago when the price wasn’t so steep. That includes money coming here and players going there. Take Seguin he will be better than Spezza in 2 years. Trade the same players to Boston to get Hall.

  • MrCondor

    Is it the popular opinion that we will be a lottery team next year? I honestly don’t see it happening.

    A healthy Hemsky plus 2 of either MPS, Eberle and Hall/Seguin is going to mean a LOT more offense. If we can use our bright future to lure a couple of solid, young, defensemen through the Sourey trade or UFA, I think we can easily finish in the 9-12 range in the west.

    • Deep Oil

      Laughing at the ignorance……

      Souray holds zero value, maybe a bag of pucks as Tambo stayed on the toilet too long, when he was told by Souray to move it over a year ago. Take money back is the solution for this media relations debacle of crapping on your talent / asset. Then again, the trade player might even fail to report, more egg for the Summer of Steve.

      UFA – Tambellini in his annual temper tantrum, two years running now (annual event) basically told the UFA’s to go to hell, and he was looking for the true player that wanted to play, from within – not on the overdraft pay me more than I am worth to come to Siberia.

      Oilers draft party seems to be an optimistic approach, given the fact there is 4 weeks of summer at YEG, I would not consider donating a Friday to sit in the concrete coliseum, Wanye probably would’nt go either, as it is tough to smuggle big bear bottles into the REX.

      Temperatures today in Scottsdale is 89F, and Vegas 85 for ballers like BILLMAD….. just saying.

      • MrCondor

        Why are people so quick to say a player has 0 value?

        Ales Kotalik and Jason Blake were moved this year, and for pretty decent return. Do you people not pay attention?!

        Sourey has the most PP goals in one season by a d men ever. He’s got size and he is gritty. That’s worth something to someone. I know about his injuries and his contract…but seriously… Jason Blake!!!

        Everyone forgets the human factor. How many people here have overpaid for something? Purchased a bad product even though there was plenty of information out there? Got swindled by a contractor?

        When it comes down to it, trading hockey players is no different than the examples above. GM’s are humans and they make bad choices. Look at Milbury!!!!

        I’m not suggest we are going to get Webber for him, but don’t say he isn’t tradable.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    I can’t believe everyone seems to undervalue Hemsky. Yes, he seems injury prone in the last couple of years, but his contract is ridiculously valuable for a point per game guy. When he’s in the line-up, he’s a monster. When he’s injured, he doesn’t count against the cap. What’s to loose? I’d love to keep him around and I don’t see Pants-pissing Chiarelli doing anything strange at the draft.

    Also, Spezza is still in his prime. He had an off-year and still easily out-performed everyone on our team. 475 points in 464 career games. Those are very solid numbers that I’d love to see in an Oilers jersey. I just don’t see it happening because minus Spezza, the Senators are a nothing team with a 38 year old ex-allstar captain.

  • I'm a Scientist!

    I can’t believe the trade value you guys give some of these guys, they are a last place team.
    And don’t use points as a comparasion most of these guys are put in situations because they have no other options IE: first line ice time and power play time for third line players anywhere else. Montreal was succesful using small players but the difference is their small players are talented no one is in the market for small semi-talented players.

    • Are you kidding me? Montreal barely made the playoffs and there’s a reason why- Jaroslav Halak. That’s the only reason why.

      Gomez, Gionta, and Cammalleri made a grand total of almost $20 million and produced about 50 points each… what a joke. I’d rather have horcoff than Gomez personally

  • MrCondor

    I couldnt agree more with the idea of a Hemsky & Penner for the 2nd overall pick. Its good management if the Oilers feel these players values are at their peak. How could Boston not entertain the idea of that trade? It gives them a two year window to win provided their other core players are signed the next two seasons also. Add one of those ‘if the Bruins win the Cup’ clauses and get it done.

    • VMR

      The question is do Penner and Hemsky give them a significant shot at a cup in the next 2 seasons or are they better off with a young potential star for a much longer period that they couldnt get while they are still a competitive team. They definitely become an immediate contender, as long as Hemsky is healthy and Penner continues to play at the level he did this season, but they still have to get by the top teams in the east like Washington and Pittsburgh. If Philly manages to get a goaltender this offseason and maybe a half decent 3rd pairing dman they’ll be a tough team to beat as well.

      It’s not like the Bruins are an ancient team. Two years isnt going to make a lot of difference to them, Savard will likely start going downhill but they’ve got replacements in line. Chara might start to slip but Pronger is still playing at a top level and he’s several years older.

      They are definitely better long term if they keep the draft pick and with the right free agency moves they could be about as good short term.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      Dave…how have Hemsky and penner done for the
      oilers???? when your team comes in DEAD LAST
      and looks like they might be in the SAME
      POSITION NEXT YEAR TOO….how much value do you
      think these players have…HOW much credibility
      would tambo have with chiarelli if he even
      presents this….DO NOT INSULT HOCKEY PEOPLE S
      intelligence….Chicage would nt want anyone
      on the oilers roster either

  • Ender

    David Staples wrote:

    1. Penner and Hemsky unlikely to re-sign here in two years, unless for massive bucks, likely over-inflated bucks.

    Agreed. And I don’t want Penner here then anyway, for the reason you quote next.

    David Staples wrote:

    2. Penner will be 30 in first year of deal, at age when physical players tend to start slowing down.

    That, coupled with the fact that I think he’ll never reproduce the year he just had and his value is as high as it’s ever going to be makes me want to put him on the next plane out of town.

    David Staples wrote:

    3. Oiler window to win Stanley Cup is in two or three years, not next two years, the only two years team might well have Hemsky and Penner.

    Now you’re into the debatable. I agree you lose Penner right away as in my mind he’s hemorrhaging value every day he plays. Hemmer, I don’t cast into the wind quite so quickly. Granted, there’s a risk and you may end losing out but there is also a possibility that Hemmer could play for the Stanley Cup Champ Oilers. A small chance, I’ll grant you, but he has value now and potential value still in the future.

    David Staples wrote:

    4. Hemsky and Penner have more value on their value contracts to a Stanley Cup contender to a total rebuild job like Oilers. Best to take advantgage of that?

    Sure. Doesn’t have to be to Boston for Hall/Seguin though. There are 29 teams besides the Oilers and hundreds of attractive players. I can think of a lot of ways to deal a player like Hemsky without rolling the dice on a player who ‘should be’ at least as good. Likewise with Penner, though I’m not quite as picky with him as I believe that time is more a factor in dealing him for value.

    David Staples wrote:

    5. If Oilers are young and talented and Cup contenders, they can overspend on similar UFAs to Hemsky and Penner at that time, as Chicago did with Campbell, Hossa.

    If we have to, sure. Being required to overspend then on one or two guys to push you over the top, however, is no reason to spend nothing for the next 2-3 years though. If you can get reasonable deals on decent players in the interim, you should still take them. I don’t believe that success in 3 years will come from fielding a league-minimum salary comprised of children and the elderly now, even if the Plan is to jettison the elderly and have the kids become superstars by then. Your supporting cast needs to be firmly in place in advance.

    David Staples wrote:

    6. Oilers youth group is strong, but not yet Pittsburgh/Chicago strong. Getting both Seguin and Hall is a move in that direction, a risky one, but not guts nor glory on the Trail of the Stanley Cup.

    It is risky, and you could be the Islanders instead of the ‘Hawks if one of these kids we’re putting so much stock in doesn’t work out. What if they aren’t Daigle-bad but just turn into a normal second-liner? Wouldn’t you rather trade Hemmer for someone you’ve seen in the NHL for a couple years over one you’ve seen only in Junior? Why is it so damn important to get both Hall and Seguin? Wouldn’t one of them and a solid trade for Hemsky elsewhere achieve the same goal with far less risk?

    David Staples wrote:

    7. It is OK to be Ender and it’s OK to be the Dragon, but to be Ender the Dragon is overkill, is it not 😉

    Yeah, it is overkill. When the Nation first came online many moons ago, I was just Ender. Unfortunately, there was another Ender who was writing at Stillnoname.com at the time and also used to post here regularly. In deference to his established identity on the net, I altered my identity subtly to reflect that we weren’t the same person. There were a few reasons behind ‘the Dragon’, but I certainly agree that just plain Ender would have been nicer. At work, I am just plain Ender and I prefer it that way. Here, though, I am who I am now; no changing the past, I’m afraid.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    Thank you Robin.. especially enjoyed this read today…i hope Tambellini is of this aggressive mindset as well. Perhaps Steven could get a little further along in these discussions some kind words and a gun than he could with just some kind words.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    @ HOFFFF

    Agreed but the Oilers have just a little more to offer with expectations being at an all time low here now…..doesn’t get any worse than last season. With a bumper crop of prospects, if only half of them become leaders we’ve so desired for years here we should be off to a good start to rebuild with.

  • Jackie Treehorn

    The Oiler’s will have some competition for sure. Here’s hoping the expendable players with decent contract hits, prove to be more enticing for Boston to deal.

    You could assume that Edmonton, being a 30th place team, could potentially offer up more. And, coupled with two players with good contracts like Hemsky and Penner, you could only hope that we are at least on par with what PC deems acceptable.

    What about getting the 3rd, or 4th or 5th someway somehow and then packaging that pick up along with a Penner/Hemsky. We get our 1, 2 sweep and this way PC gets to “play for today” and get a stud d-man for the future.

    This scenario could include 31th or the Boston 15th, but essentially Boston get the best of both worlds.

    What you think?

    • That “someway somehow” you mention might best be pulled off with the 4th pick from Columbus, given the familiarity with Howson. Still, it’ll take some work.

      There’ll be lots of talk in Los Angeles — less action — about variations on the scenarios you’ve offered. Before you can say any deal is possible, you’ve got to take off your Oilers fan hat and ask yourself this: does it make sense for the other team?

      As for your comment about me not answering this question sooner, please resist the urge to whine. I’m not paid to work a 9-5 shift at Oilersnation. Who I respond to or if I respond at all is at my discretion. If you add up the word count on my responses to readers on any given item I file, they exceed the number of words in that item. ON gets that part for free.

      • Jackie Treehorn

        First off I posted twice to get your attention so you would talk about your article and not sling mud with the obvious baiters. When you respond is up to you; I know you are busy.

        BROWNLEE SAID:
        As for your comment about me not answering this question sooner, please resist the urge to whine. I’m not paid to work a 9-5 shift at Oilersnation. Who I respond to or if I respond at all is at my discretion. If you add up the word count on my responses to readers on any given item I file, they exceed the number of words in that item. ON gets that part for free.

        Please resist to include me with the riff raff you’ve gone out of your way to respond to today….to people who’ve obviously baited you into it. The person was making stupid childish comments and posting it multiple times as a different name I can only imagine. One idiot taking over the whole damn website and you gotta respond to him…..and to top it all off you call ME a whiner…thx alot

        You went out of your way to respond to the jerks when I and others were responding to your article and talking about the topic at hand.

        RACKI SAID:
        As far as the lashing out / caustic stuff, to be honest, I find in a lot of cases the people that are responded to here are more frequently the s— disturbers. People that have genuine good opinions generally disappear in the background. You guys are free to respond to whomever you like and however you like, but for me it just makes the site look like a bit of a playground at times. Don’t feed into the trolls.

        He is not that far off base Brownlee. Know who your decent, courteous posters are.

        That all being said…thanks for responding (and scolding me at the same time, lol) as I always value your thoughts and ideas.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    Robin,

    I know for fact – please call Jim Matheson to confirm – that he was “involved” with Eklund’s website. He was reporting during the playoffs with video reports. I use the word “fact” here because I watched a few of reports myself.

    Now, he may not have ever written for Eklund as a columnist (eg. Dan Tencer did so for awhile), and if that’s the case, I used the wrong word. Mea culpa. Does that require you to respond with personal insults like “dolt” or just being very rude in general? I would hope not. If you want to take the time and search your name under HFBoards under my posts you’ll see I’ve commented on things you’ve said or written from time to time, as I have with Stauffer, Tencer, Gregor, and others. Most of it is positive, some of it is negative, but none of it is malicious or obnoxious. I’ll take the high again this time, but it would nice if you could correct someone without lashing out in such a vindictive manner. Can’t we all just play nice? Does everyone who gets behind a keyboard have to be hostile? Again, I would hope not.

  • Jackie Treehorn

    “The more I read these Matheson “speculations” the more he comes off sounding like Eklund. I’ve often thought a lot of Eklund rumours are created by him sitting down looking at rosters and saying things like, “Gee, Team A could really use a player like the one Team B has that might be available.” And then he goes on to create a rumour. I know Matty was writing for Eklund’s site a while back… maybe he picked up a few of Eklund’s writing habits along the way.”

    You make comments about Matty like this and you’ll get a fight EVERYDAY of the year! LOL, tying Matty’s name with Eklund is silly, so I’m not really mad.

    Matty can speculate, and so can Eklund, but the difference is Matty has a track record, and we actually respect and care what he has to say. Oh and he’s an HOF writer.

    Eklund’s latest debacle was the rumour of Spezza going to Boston for #2 pick, so again, tying Matty’s name with Eklund is like putting the band Triumph is the same league as Led Zeppellin er something like that…lol

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      Thing is because of who Matheson once was he has credibility, but he doesn’t have the same inside info that he use to have. So ya if he is tossing things out there he is like Eklund. Matty tossed out a lot of rumors this year every Sunday, how much came remotely close to happening? Heck Eklund was on the ice at the final game of the finals, not sure how but he was there.

      Just need to read Matheson with the intention of knowing it’s just an opinion now.

  • JaroslavPouzar

    Re: Matty video reports on Eklund. Just to clarify, that was a couple of years ago. I haven’t visited Eklund’s website since then so I don’t know if he’s doing them anymore.

    • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

      If you imply Matheson, who has more integrity than anybody I know in this business, has fallen in with a crowd that makes stuff up and creates bogus rumours — and that’s exactly what you did — you’re going to hear it from me every time.

      As for playing nice, please. Some of the stuff I see written about career writers who take their profession seriously by some fans out there — not all — because they’re envious/stupid/bored, makes me want to puke sometimes.

      And don’t tell me to get over it, that it’s the internet and blah, blah, blah. I don’t care if it’s the internet or a wall in a men’s bathroom, writing patently untrue things about somebody under the veil of anonymity is dishonest and cowardly.

  • VMR

    Robin,

    I know for fact – please call Jim Matheson to confirm – that he was “involved” with Eklund’s website. He was reporting during the playoffs with video reports. I use the word “fact” here because I watched a few of reports myself.

    Now, he may not have ever written for Eklund as a columnist (eg. Dan Tencer did so for awhile), and if that’s the case, I used the wrong word. Mea culpa. Does that require you to respond with personal insults like “dolt” or just being very rude in general? I would hope not. If you want to take the time and search your name under HFBoards under my posts you’ll see I’ve commented on things you’ve said or written from time to time, as I have with Stauffer, Tencer, Gregor, and others. Most of it is positive, some of it is negative, but none of it is malicious or obnoxious. I’ll take the high again this time, but it would nice if you could correct someone without lashing out in such a vindictive manner. Can’t we all just play nice? Does everyone who gets behind a keyboard have to be hostile? Again, I would hope not.

    – Thank you!

    I seem to recall Brownlee complaining about people taking issue with his abrasive, “keyboard warrior” style and demanding that examples be provided, verbatim, before he would acknowledge that he can be dismissive and caustic with people.

    • You recall incorrectly.

      I asked a poster to provide examples of when I’d gone off on somebody when they’d raised an issue, stated an opinion or disagreed with me in a reasonable manner.

      I’ve can think of lots of times when I’ve been “caustic” with posters, but if you look you won’t find me doing so without that person taking the first shot.

      And, yes, I put the suggestion that Matheson makes things up in the category of taking the first shot because it’s flat-out BS.

      • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

        So when he talks about a d-man to CBJ being a very viable option at the trade deadline and then Howson talks two days later about not talking to the Oilers for a month, what would you call this?

        Or how about Mueller for Cogs, which from all accounts doesn’t seem to have been an option either?

        From where I sit it’s no different then Bruce Garrioch, and the only difference from Larry Brooks is that Torteralla didn’t want to ring Matheson’s neck on a nightly basis.

      • Hemmertime

        I am sure I could find a couple. Especially when you first started this internets thing. But some days you are grumpy. Although you may consider stupidity of ideas as “taking the first shot” since it insulted you by spending time reading the comment.

        About 20% of the time now you are taking the first shot. Which is better than the 50% from before.

        • Ender

          Agreed.

          We like you, Robin, but perhaps it would help everyone if you just let a few ‘shots’ slide. I’ve offended you before without even directing a comment at you.

          • VMR

            Mellow isnt exactly Robins schtick. I mean come on he has a weekly radio spot about things that irritate him.

            If you cant take him telling you to F off every once in a while then maybe post on a nice safe newspaper site where they moderate out anything nasty.

          • Jackie Treehorn

            . Lets talk about Hockey and article

            How about making a deal that involves Columbus 4th overall and moving it to Boston for their 2nd overall. (check my #78 post for some details)

            What sort of deal could be made, and what players would be involved? Maybe picks would be involved too.

            LETS TALK HOCKEY!

          • Ha. Don’t tell him you like him then, don’t you remember how he went off when I said something like that?

            Personally though, I love it when Brownlee gets mad at everyone. It’s one of the most entertaining things on this site.

  • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

    Great read Robin,
    I don’t always agree with you but I will defend you right to say it. If people don’t want to be called out, then make sure facts are quoted and not speculation.
    But maybe you could have used 1 or 2 more hugs as a child……

  • Some of the stuff I see written about career writers who take their profession seriously by some fans out there — not all — because they’re envious/stupid/bored, makes me want to puke sometimes.

    Again, if I made an error in saying Matheson has “written” for Eklund it was an honest mistake, and I don’t see the need to point that out with any kind of malice.

    If you imply Matheson, who has more integrity than anybody I know in this business, has fallen in with a crowd that makes stuff up and creates bogus rumours — and that’s exactly what you did — you’re going to hear it from me every time.

    He was reporting for Eklund’s website, albeit with video, a couple of years ago. Again, all you have to do is ask him. I don’t read Matheson’s speculation articles very often, but many of them do come across as guesses. Actually, most they appear to be nothing more than his opinion. A lot of people on HFBoards, however, will start conversations based on them with the attitude that they are viable rumors. My original comment that you wrote about here was for the most part flippant, merely a comment to others who taking the article and running with it that maybe they temper their excitement a bit.

    • Matheson appeared in a video clip on Eklund’s site once three years ago with Tim Pannacio in Philadelphia — it was an analysis clip about the playoffs, not a trade rumour item. It’s something all travelling beat writers get asked to do by various outlets several times a season.

      That’s a far cry from having any kind of “working relationship” with a site. I’ve done radio and TV in virtually every NHL city at one time or another. That doesn’t mean I work with or for ESPN, Fox Sports etc etc. Matheson has never written for the site you mentioned.

      As for you saying it seems Matty’s often only offering his opinion, that’s what he’s paid to do. He’ll also put suggestions out there that he thinks make sense (often based on what he knows the team is already doing). “This guy or that guy would fit here” or “the Oilers should do this or that.” He speculates about what he thinks should or will happen. That doesn’t mean he’s guessing. He doesn’t write “The Oilers are looking at Player B” when he knows they aren’t looking at that player.

  • “I’d be very comfortable playing centre,” said Hall

    There’s been lots of talk the last 2 days about whether or not Hall can play centre. Which leads me to believe the Oilers are seriously considering Hall.

    Hopefully this puts to bed the argument that the Oilers should take Seguin because he’s a centre.

    Hall looks to be the better player, therefore, he’s your man.

      • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

        bull**it.

        it could easily be argued one would rather be last, as your interview would be the freshest in peoples minds.

        they could have asked seguin to go first, and he may have had a prior commitment. There is no way to know. Suggesting that one or the other being first is a “big tip off” is a huge stretch.

      • Jason Gregor

        You do know that Seguin had dinner with Tambellini a month ago, and so did Hall. It doesn’t matter which one is first, because you can argue that being the 2nd of two allows you to leave the last impression.

        • Jackie Treehorn

          It’s a pretty general practice to interview your top choice first, to set a high standard by which subsequent people can be judged for the job . Being last you have even more that followed you to be judged by/upon . Hall passed with “flying colors ” by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat . Can Seguin top Halls interview ?

          Making your top candidate your first interview makes the interviewers job of hiring easier and makes good business sense . I’d feel a lot better being the first interview than one of the subsequent ones . Being last isn’t all bad , but it’s not as important or significant as being number one the majority of times .

          • Jason Gregor

            What accounts did he pass by flying colours?

            Show me where you read this. You are assuming he did. There is no public record of what the Oilers actually asked him, and how he responded. Nor should there be.

            As for Seguin topping Hall’s interviews, what exactly is there to top. Both want to be #1. Both would be happy to play in Edmonton. Both want to win.

          • Eddie Shore

            Making the “easier” choice shouldn’t have any weight when hiring or drafting for that matter. You don’t honestly believe what you wrote in the above paragraph do you?

          • danjo1

            Yes i do . In the major corporations i was in throughout my working career that was the process you were taught to use if you were chosen to be on a selection committee . Same process was used in a second or third round of interviews as well . It worked well and made good sense . Sure helped cut down on wasted time and energy as well on those that had to do several interviews over a fairly long selective processes .

            Of course i believe in what i wrote – it’s sound business practice , and not just in my mind either .

          • While I’m not 100% sold on the opinion in this post there is some merrit to it. People being people and innately flawed, there is a chance that those candidates interviewed first may have a slight advantage. I don’t know how many times in my life I’ve made up my mind on something/someone I’ve encountered earlier since it was the first to leave an impression on me. In those situations if I’ve changed my oppinion its only because a later candidate seriously blew me away. I think thats just human nature to get worked up over something without fully exploring all your options first. Call it buyers remorse. Now, I imagine this will not be the case with the scouts, Tamballini et al. They make much more money than I do to make the RIGHT decisions and it would be a mistake to write everyone off after just one interview.

          • Jackie Treehorn

            Everyone stop what they’re doing…important news just came in from our good friend Madjam.

            “Hall passed with “flying colors ” by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat”

            Madjam’s uncle just happens to be Mr Katz, so it was only natural to have the little chap tag along with Hall and Tambo for the meetings. Apparently Hall, according to Madjam, wasn’t much of a veggie eater; he didn’t even finish them. We ask Madjam (fly on the wall we call him) for an update:

            “Ya, he was at my uncle Batman’s place and ya WE interviewed him. I haven’t made up my mind yet though. He played NHL with me on the ps3!!”

  • I see Nash, Souray and possibly our 31st pick being used to move up in the draft order . Others we have may not be that interesting to other clubs . I do not think Oilers seriously want to deal Hemsky , Penner and the likes if they can avoid it . I’d like to see Souray and Nash moving forward , but i don’t think they want to . With the three i have mentioned , what might we expect to get going down the draft table ?

    What might we get with a deal like i suggest with Howson , as an example ? More or less than just their first round pick ?