The Copper & Blue Mile

Hockey rumors have become big business on the internet. Some yahoo in Philadelphia makes gobs of coin (apparently) by tapping into that small segment of the population that has been assigned to make certain the words of P. T. Barnum live on (those words being "there’s a sucker born every minute,") However, when the big boys start talking about dealing Hemsky and Penner, I believe where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Elliotte Friedman is a respected report of national stature. He works for the #1 sports show in the nation (HNIC) and his 30 thoughts are a "must read" for hockey fans. So it certainly caught my attention when Friedman wrote the following this week:

  1. There is a feeling around the league that Ales Hemsky (who has concussion issues) and Dustin Penner are available for the right price. Of course, the Oilers need what everyone needs – centremen and defencemen. A healthy Hemsky gets you more than Penner, but there is no doubt Penner’s play on a bad Oilers team over the past two years has changed a lot of the negative perceptions about him.

Friedman’s 30 thoughts are here. I think the Oilers could get a lot for either player, but Hemsky’s injuries are a worry. Friedman’s comments about team needs are also spot on, so this looks legit. It should be an interesting deadline.

Some names we’ve discussed in the past are C’s Stephen Weiss, Steve Ott, Joe Pavelski and Martin Hanzal. As for defensemen, I think we’ve discussed all of them.


  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    So we want to trade a first line forward, who would be a first line forward on 90% of the teams in the league, not just the oilers, for a 3rd line center? That seems really smart to me.

  • book¡e

    I think we should look for 2-3 guys who were first round picks who are somewhat enigmatic and never lived up to the hype so that they can come here and regain their confidence and then fulfill their potential.

    Its a guaranteed win!

    • VMR

      Ahh the Brule* maneuver, brilliant!!!!

      *previously known as the O’Sullivan** maneuver

      **previously known as the Pitkanen ***maneuver

      *** previously known as the Lupul ****maneuver

      **** previously known as the Nilsson *****maneuver

      ***** previously known as the Isbister maneuver.

      ps. warning some of these previouslys may not be in exact chronological order if you are the type of person who cares deeply about that kind of thing please go f*** yourself.

      • John Chambers

        *****previously known as the Jochen Hecht and Marty Reasoner***** manoever

        ******previosly known as the Bernie Nicholls, Steven Rice, Craig Fisher, and Louie Debrusk****** manoever

        *******previously known as the Martin Gelinas and Jimmy Carson manoever*******

  • Zed

    I love Hemsky and having Penner in the playoffs with his size would be an important piece, but when you’re staring 30th place square in the eye…again…it’s foolish not to examine all your options. The return better be an excellent NHL player who fits a need though.

    In order to do that though the smart play would be to give Hall another 30 reps at C to find out what it is you want. Hall, Gagne, Horc down the middle or Horc, Gagne, Hanzal (for eg.)

  • Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child

    I think the Oil would be more interested in picks for either or both of those guys. This years draft is seen as a weak pool, however, after the first 5 or so, the next grouping is all a toss up. There top 4 or 5 ought to be able to play in the NHL right away, but the rest will need more seasoning. This would fit with the timing of the rebuild.A big D-man taken somewhere around 15th and a year or two in the AHL for seasoning might be just what they need.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    LT, I think the comment above yours is more in the vein of trading Hemsky or Penner for help, along with the possiblity of a pick, because this draft is weak at the top end.

    This Friedman quote is big. Elliot doesn’t throw bird guano at walls to see what stick. If he’s right, and the Oil are quietly listening to offers, it would be tough to speculate who they’re specifically after, since it sounds like they’re polling all the teams.

  • Zed

    I’ve never really understood the logic in getting rid of your teams best players to make a better team.

    Yeah I get you have to give up value to get value, but your best players???

    Maybe this concept will work with bottom feeding teams.

    If it happens and we get something shiny for Penner or Hemsky, I guess we’ll see.

    I personally would prefer ST to analyze the situation regarding those two.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    You didn’t have to go to Friedman to get this info LT, we’ve been telling you this here for two months now. If there’s something you want to know….just ask dude, don’t be shy.

    …budda boom.

  • Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child

    I have been suggesting for the longest time that the oilers should offer up Hemsky for Hanzal and I always get the same response! “Hemsky is worth at least a top 5 pick”…”You are way undervaluing Hemsky here”..”Hanzal doesn’t meet the immediate needs of the oilers” Seriously if the oil could somehow pry Hanzal out of phoenix for Hemsky, Tambo would become GM of the year. Hanzal is exactly what this team needs! A 6 foot 6 fast, defensively competent centerman, who is great in the dot and can put up 45-50 points. Oh and guess what he is still young and growing as a player!

    • Oi… I sure as hell hope that the major piece coming our way for Hemsky or Penner isn’t one of the names being thrown around in here. Count me out.

      A couple of the names are talented.. but this team also needs size. You don’t complain for 3 or 4 years about having small skill forwards and then trade off one of our large wingers (in Penner). And well, Hemsky’s talent level + great contract making him better value than I think most people are putting on him, imho.

      As for Hanzal, I wish people here had as much patience for Gagner who has put up better numbers as they do for the older Hanzal.

    • Zed

      I totally agree. Couldn’t have said it better.

      He’s not putting up 45-50 points yet, but he’s got a lot of upside, I believe he can and will become a 45-50 point player (maybe better), he’s big, he hits, he wins faceoffs, he’s got a mean streak, he can play PK, PP, etc.

      Hemsky may be roughly a ppg player, but it’s starting to look like he’s a 60 game per year player too.

  • Zamboni Driver

    Hemsky being injured all the time makes it more appealing to move him…but is it appealing for anyone to take him?

    My bet is they try to move Penner for someone young, big and a chance to be good (probably someone still in junior)

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    Hanzel would be interesting, he’s every bit as good as J Stall IMO (though not quite as much offense).

    He would be a fantastic 3C that could match up with the leagues elite here for years to come.

  • 17 play-off points during our cup run should make Hemsky more of a commodity too.

    Hall looks like the real deal, Eberle & PRV are improving every game, I would trade Hemsky depending on what the return is. I don’t think it would be a guy like Schenn, but you could probably get a solid prospect.