Teemu Hartikainen’s progress has been the subject of much discussion this fall,and for good reason. The big Finn has a chance to fill that most elusive of roles: a big forward who can crash, bang, keep up and cash. So, uh, how’s he doing?

We’re in luck because Hartikainen has played at the same level (AHL) for the past 2+ seasons. We should start by admitting that time-on-ice in each discipline, quality of linemates (especially this year) and qual comp factor into the equation. Also, luck is an enormous factor in all of this–line drives count as outs if the other guy can get leather on it. Still, its an interesting way to look at the prospect and parse the boxcars. Let’s start with evens


  • Age 20: 66, 10-22-32 .485
  • Age 21: 51, 9-14-23 .451
  • Age 22: 12, 2-5-7 .583

Hartikainen didn’t start with the big guns (2 games for Paajarvi, one period for Josh Green) but got there early this season and stayed for a time. Last night he played with Paajarvi and Lander, so he’s moved around the lineup; however, I do think its reasonable to suggest he’s gotten a push from coach Nelson and the Oiler management. Credit where due, he’s posting good numbers (very good before the recent team slump) and should be good for 35+ points in this discipline if he plays with Nuge-Ebs enough this season.


  • Age 20: 66, 7-3-10 .152
  • Age 21: 51, 5-4-9 .176
  • Age 22: 12, 1-2-3 .250

Again, its early so lets not go crazy. Having said that, it is encouraging to see Hartikainen posting points early this season (the Barons most certainly have other options) and last night’s assist came on the man advantage.

By now someone is screaming "sample size" and that’s certainly true, but I think we’re at a point now where we can probably say Hartikainen’s bat is good enough for the big leagues. Not every AHL prospect scores .583/game at that level. An example might be last year’s Barons, who looked like this at even strength (30 game minimum):






















































































As you might expect, the top of the list is mostly minor league veterans–Green, Arcobello, Keller–those are the guys the Heat are employing this season. They can hit AAA pitching like crazy and it shows in this graph. Paajarvi had a very nice number a year ago, and Hartikainen’s this season would put him at the top of the list.

We’ll spend more time looking at even strength scoring in OKC as the season wears along. More at-bats gives us a truer read on the numbers–some of those line drives will find the grass as time rolls along.


Todd Nelson likes the progress he’s seen from Hartikainen.

  • Nelson: “Harty’s got pretty good hands around the net. Lots of his goals come in tight, off secondary chances. He’s also doing a heck of a job on the power play, in front of the net, mirroring the goalie.”

A year ago, Nelson was talking about Hartikainen needing to find consistency and improve his play away from the puck–all of the things Craig MacTavish used to say about Dan Cleary, Jason Chimera and just about every new winger (save Fernando Pisani) to come down the pipe. Coaching staffs love consistency and awareness, and Hartikainen has improved a lot in this area. His playoff in the spring was kind of a graduation in this area.

Now (I believe) we’re down to two things: how much lumber can he bring to he plate (and the numbers above look good) and how often he’ll throw that big body around on a line with Nuge and Eberle. He seems to be passing that test, too–and without taking stupid penalties.


Its too early for a victory dance, but things are looking good for Teemu Hartikainen. Good arrows. Good arrows.

  • Cervantes

    A 20 year old NHLE of .58 on Harskis .833 ppg would normally equate to about a 42 point full season in the bigs. Normally cause for optimism. But, the Oil are so loaded, I really see Harski getting very weak minutes and taking a big hit on points. He’s going to be basically sharing bottom six minutes with Smyth and Eager, and maybe getting some of Yaks minutes if the kid has trouble coming over (which, given his admittedly sheltered KHL production, doesn’t seem like a worry). I’m all in favour of Smyth getting an easy ride this year and having some gas in the tank at the end, but I don’t see Kruger rolling his top 9 lines around with mostly even time distribution, which is the only thing that will help guys like Harski and Maggie.

    Add in that greasy goals tend to have a worse NHLE than skill goals, since you’re suddenly dealing with 30 year old monster D men instead of kids, and I end up really worried that Teemu will end up getting 12 minutes a night and finish whatever year we finally have hockey in with about 25 points, leading everyone to shine up the rail that we so efficiently run people out of town on (for reference, see Cleary, Dan and Satan, Miro and Chimera, Jason, and Winchester, Brad, etc).

    The alternative is him spinning his wheels in the A until 94 is ready to hang em up, which also isn’t really a great alternative. Or, the “wow” trade making room up front, which, while lovely, requires one to have faith that Tambo will actually do… anything… ever…

    Anyways, distracted. I started this looking for NHLE on his production, and if he can get proper minutes and not get buried, yes, a 20-22-42 season would be a great return from a guy with some grease on his mitts. Lets hope he gets there.

    (For extra fun, Milan Lucic, rookie season, 8-19-27. Second season, 17-25-42, +17. Not saying Harski is a 100+ pm guy, but Lucic seems to be the gold standard that everyone gets an awkward boner for, so it’s nice to see how that would measure up)

  • Lowetide

    Cervantes: That’s (imo) the question. CAN Harski satisfy the organization’s blood lust AND deliver offensively in a Tim Wallach at the end of the batting order manner?

    That’s the question, right there.

    • RexLibris

      What about an Eli Wallach, circa Good, Bad and the Ugly? That’s a trio I’d send over the boards.

      But who gets to be the Man With No Name and who is Angel Eyes?

      Nugent-Hopkins is cold, so I’m going with MWNN, Eberle gets Angel Eyes, and Hartikainen is Tuco.

      I now return this thread to its regularly-scheduled programming: congealed dairy products!


  • 24% body fat

    I like Hartsky, but considering we expect RNH to get 100 pts, Ebs and Halls 80, Yak to be determined, Gagner and Hemsky 60, and still want horcoff to produce, It is very unlikely no matter how good the player is to get 40-50 points. Nor do the oilers need him to if the other players get that many.

    There is only some many goals a team can score and only 3pts max per goal.

  • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

    you guys have it all wrong. you know makes cheese better? 2 cheeses at once. stack that mofo til you cant stack no more.

    we get gettin all kinds of crazy up in here!

    **disclaimer** i badly need the NHL to return to the ice. my mind, while fragile before, wanders far more often then is probably healthy.

  • The Soup Fascist

    The thing about cheese is it depends on the SYSTEM and how it is deployed. If cheese is just RANDOmlY thrown on a plate, no one Will eat it. But if it is sysTEmatically arranged with sausage and CRACKERS then – and only then can you have a true SNACK that never will breakdown even under the stresses of an office Christmas party. If you add baby dills, well the platter is unstoppable.

    I have presented this SYSTEM to the “braintrust” at KRAFT and while members of management won’t acknowledge the METHOD I have detailed to them, they have covertly implemented it under the guise of the “Velveeta” gambit or in LOs AngelEs the “Cracker barrel caper”. While named differentlY it is clear where the inspiration came from, me … The Grande Formage.

    Take Jared Stoll. He gets it and implements it perfectly. What makes his cocktail parties successful is not the BAckyard pool or a half-naked Paulina Gretzky running around or excellent martinis but the systematic application of a mild cheese platter – or New AGED Swiss if you will. Sure it has holes but it is what is in the holes that makes the difference. Just sayin’….

    • Mumbai Max

      Are you a cyber-stalker??Is that what they mean when they say that??You post on the NewAge Hockey System–NHS as much as I do, maybe more actually,shorter posts but more often.Amazing!

      Actually you have the story pretty straight.

      It possibly moves you that everything I have posted about the NewAge Hockey System is true and can be validated,I even suspect you took the time to do just that—to verify it.This must be why you have such a big bone caught in your throat??I love it that you keep to the correct chronological history of events in your counterposts,its great.

      Yes,thats how it worked,I created the NHS,and presented it unofficially online to an NHL team as a gift,it was at first ignored,then implemented by players,then banned by managment ,then reassesed by managment and reimplemented with a Mac-T/Krueger flavor.Yes,a certain cup winning team was also paying attention and subscribed to the NHS philosophys and utilised them to turn a season around and win the Stanley Cup,and yes,there was a specific player who was an ex-member of the team the NHS data was intended for who was the first man on the future champ team to begin to experiment and utilise the NHS–you can see the when and where that he starts doing it in the gametapes.And yes the word SYSTEM is the single most pervasive ideology that the NHS promotes.

      You are very correct in your repeated and very accurate illustrations of the fact that managing any system requires many very mundane and traditional hockey ideas to be rearranged and overlain and presented in a very unique and individual manner,yes,its the same old hockey ideas just switched around and re-arranged.And finally yes,that is what couch-coaching is all about,trying to add your own special flavor to an already perfect dish.Its called couch-coaching,get that?Its a national Canadian passtime!!!And just like you might walk by a rink in some small town and crap your pants when you hear some farmboy named Howe smashing shots against some old arena boards as a ten year old kid,so might you be reading a post online one day and be staring history in the face and not know it,one day you will remember the feeling you got when you were near the heat of that booming shot and you will tell your friends all about it when you are old and tired.Same with the NHS,you will remember it a long time from now,the NHS has already branded you,its way easier to just ask me direct questions than to carry on like this you know??This NHS bashing is simply drawing more attention to the philosphy itself.I dont even really bring it up anymore unless provoked or asked.

      It is easy for you to rearrange my NHS concepts within the dynamic context of your posts and I know why,because you fully understand the NHS data released so far and think you have a handle on it that there isnt anyhting more to it,you have a knowledgable hockey mind and think you have it all figured out dont you??That is called your achillies heel.

      I often refer to Switzerland when I drift off into hockeyland ,you know–Swiss cheeze, Swiss chocolate everything is either full of holes or bubbles,even a Swiss Army knife has identity issues,it doesnt know what it wants to be its full of options and potential but in a bunch of little pieces.When I need to be grounded i review videos of the Swiss hockey program it inspires me and I marvel at how well it is at making holes and bubbles in things, at taking the whole and breaking it down into small pieces that can only accomplish small things–complicating the issue if you will.The program actually has a national identity worked into it,amazingly so.And it is effective to some degree.Did you know that a loaf of bread actually gets better when you fill it up with hot air and make bubbles inside?/Same with chocolate??If you ever owned a Swiss Army knife you will understand its value,it doesnt do anything overwhelmingly but it does EVERYTHING to an effective average degree,I have kept mine for over 30 yrs.

      The NewAge Hockey System makes holes in traditional hockey perspectives , it fills them with bubbles,breaks them down into smaller parts that must work together to create a better final product than was started with.We all like a chocolate bar,but you havent had anything until you have tried an Aero bar.Everyone likes cheddar but why the hell do we all grow up thinking the moon is made of Swiss and full of holes??Everyone likes a big shiny Bowie knife,but why are we all carrying Swiss Army Knives in our pockets??

      It is called REFINEMENT,in hockey its called coaching,the first man to try to sell cheese with holes in it was either a genius or a nut,but he is surely famous today,the first guy who thought he could charge more for bubbles of air buried in his chocolate bars thought he was a genius ,but someone thought he was a nut,can you imagine the look on Santas face when the little Elf dropped a Swiss Army Knife in his hand and proudly exclaimed,eureka the best knife ever!!

      Consider this,the holes and bubbles and small pieces are all the most natural state of affairs,traditionally people exerted extra energy and removed these things believing it was the best way to go,MMMmmm history shows us how wrong this is in some cases now doesnt it.

      The NewAge Hockey System is a refinement of existing hockey systems and values,but in the process of executing those refinements it creates its own NewAge identity,it doesnt reinvent the wheel,it refines the idea in an evolutionalry manner building on the foundation that already existed,all the word-smithing in the world will not change results,I love seeing a slice of Swiss cheese going onto my sandwich,I from time to time pick up an Aero bar because the holes make it better,and I carry a Swiss army Knife a lot of places with me in my pockets–its never slain a dragon but its saved my butt a lot of times,when I watch a hockey game I always watch it with my NewAge Hockey System glasses firmly in place,simply because it makes it better for me,I dont expect everyone to see it that way.But why would I hide such a good thing from everyone else.

      Staying vanilla means you dont have to think about anything or work harder or take risks,its easier to do,boring as hell but easy to do.Sometimes poking holes in things makes them better,it lets them breath,just ask the Swiss hockey people,they understand the concept very very well,its part of their national identity.And it works wonderfully–just ask the Countries that are learning how hard it is to defeat that program.Ralph should understand the NHS as I believe it is catalysed by exactly the same philosophys as his Swiss Program was based on.

      Cervantes summed up the Harski situation nicely,we know via Ralph that there will be pairs which are used consistanly with a third man rotated in and out to change the face of the line itself for tactical reasons,this means we should see consistant points production from our top six men who make up those `pairs`with the rest of the inserts picking up the leftovers.Players like Jones who can adjust to any dynamic quickly will thrive in the changing opportunistic environment.Smart tactic as it provides for both mindsets,the guys who NEED the regular linemates and the guys who thrive on the adjustments and changes when they are moved around.Excellent dynamic system asset consideration and managment.

      I like how Harski tends to bust straight through the middle taking the most direct and dangerous path to the net,its very direct and challenges the defense every time,really challenges them down the middle,its like the flyballs that two guys or three guys all go for it but somehow screw it up,the one that can make em miss through miscommunication,Harski can be that flyball down the middle to defensmen.A hard deep flyball.Its a dimension of his game that is unique,like Omarks spin,something individual to a degree and very effective in a coaches hands.

      Sorry for the long reply to the Alphabet Soup NHS harrasment,I plead self-defence your Honor.ha ha ha.Have a great Monday everyone!!

      The NewAge part of the name refers to my own personal touch,the Hockey part is self-explanatory,and the System is the key to combining my own competative dynamic views with a Hockey focus that provides a Newage way for fans and players to see their game.The NewAge Hockey System.

      Do you even see that through your wonderful posts you simply reaffirm these dynamic interactions and validate them in their entirity??I understand your focus and that is to undermine the “New” part of even the name itself,ha ha ha,you must be a traditionalist at heart.You must believe that by attacking the NHS by stating that its nothing but old hockey ideas rearranged you can devalue the philosophy itself,while in fact this is the clearest most precise definition of coaching that you could possibly illiterate??

      I am still laughing here ,I just spilled my coffee,ha ha ha.The Big Cheeze!!Do you think those cocktail parties would be so fun or that the company would be so high-end if it wasnt for the NHS influences??Look what a good system can do for you if you apply it consistantly ,eh??Heres the thing to remember,the NHS also incorporates this tiny little balance like concept called Karmatic Manifestation,this means no one can kick you in the ass as hard as you can kick yourself—I just didnt release the data that teaches how to avoid that dynamic,ha haha.

      Kind of like right now,you know you pretty much kicked yourself in your own arse,right??Thanks for validating that the NHS is simply an artfull rearrangment of traditional and proven old hockey ideas—thats what it is supposed to be.I dont want to kick you when you are down ,but exactly why do YOU think Smarties come in different colors??And believe it or not everyone does eat the red ones last—is there a SYSTEM in there somewhere??Ha ha ha aha.

      I dont name names anymore because that was never my intentions with the NHS,the exposure was circumstantial,the people involved are dynamicly connected to the NHS by proxy and that wont change,vaildation and authentication are different things,results define validation and history of results provides authentication.

      If i tell you to eat the red candys last out of your Smarty box because it will result in your getting an extra box of candy,you might not believe me and might not do it,but maybe you think you have nothing to lose and are adventurous and do as I say and actually recieve an extra box all the other kids dont know about,if you attain that sucess and dont tell anyone it might work for you again and again right?
      So now if I ask you how you got the extra reward and I am in fact the person who tipped you to eat the red ones first ,dont you think it might be a good idea to pony up and admit it??maybe ask me exactly how the SYSTEM works??Well not everyone sees it that way,some people are protective of the results they get from new things they dont fully understand ,and this can retard their growth ,evolution and understanding.Maybe you rationalise that I in fact had nothing at all to do with your getting the extra box of candy because after all it was YOU who ate the red ones last right—and sooner or later you would have figured that out anyways,right??!!You are making a very dangerous assumption here,that you can in fact simply eat the red ones first and the majic will happen again,but you forget that it wasnt you who came up with the plan in the first place so you dont really know for sure how it works in its entirity–you dont really even know where the extra box came from,do you!!Not really you dont.Karmatic Manifestation—you kick yourself in the arse by being so selfish and vain as to ignore the source of your sucess before you fully understand it.You focused first to much on munching the red candys and second to much on the extra box,along the way you forgot to leave a popcorn trail bcak to your source,in fact you made sure you kicked dirt over your own trail because you were so sure that it was really a matter of time before you figured things out anyways.

  • Aitch

    Fried Cheese?………now that I have your attention, try frying cheese. Medium Chedder works best.

    Put it on medium let it melt for a couple do minutes……let it harden, scrape off the pan, now enjoy!

    Yea fried cheese……..I think I just started a cheese revolution.

  • The Soup Fascist

    The free box of Smarties thing piques my interest. Please elaborate.

    Also the Caramilk secret keeps me awake at nights. Any insights you could add would be appreciated.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    I see various types of goat cheese, along with Feta in the fridge at home. I’m afraid to touch it, it could bum me all up inside.

    Cheddar/marble cheddar is all this world really needs.

    …maybe keep the blue cheese as well, that ain’t so bad when you want to live on the edge.