As the Oilers get set to face the Colorado Avalanche trying to end a four game losing streak, Taylor Hall and company can take solace in knowing that some other young stars endured many years of losing, before tasting the sweet nectar of victory.

They should ask Joe Sakic, the Avalanche’s Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations, about losing. He lost way more than these kids have early in his career, and it didn’t break him, and he didn’t pout about it. He persevered and became a Hall of Famer.

Hall has played 200 games, Eberle has been in 231 games, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has dressed in 136, while Nail Yakupov is at 82 games and Justin Schultz has played 76. No one should be suggesting that all the losing is going to wear down these kids. I don’t believe any of them are that fragile, but even if they thought about having a pity party, they should do a quick search of Joe Sakic’s career.

Sakic was drafted 15th overall in 1987 by the Quebec Nordiques. He played one more season in Swift Current before debuting with the Nordiques in October of 1988. Keep in mind that in his first three seasons he played in a 21-team league where 16 teams made the playoffs.

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In Sakic’s first three seasons, the Nordiques finished dead last every year. The Nordiques drafted 1st, 1st, 1st and 4th in his first four NHL seasons.

1989: They went 27-46-7 for 61 points.
1990: They were 12-61-7 for 31 points.
1991: They went 16-50-14 for 46 points.
1992: They went 20-28-12 for 52 points.

In 1993, they were literally twice as good picking up 104 points going 47-27-10, but in 1994 Sakic and the Nordiques dipped back down to 76 points with a 34-42-8 record.

In his first four seasons, Sakic’s Nordiques won a measly 75 of the 320 games they played. Sakic dressed in 299 of those games, and he learned much more about losing than he did winning.

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Despite all the losses Sakic played exceptionally well.

YEAR       GP      G       A      PTS
1989        70      23     39      62 
1990        80      39     63     102
1991        80      48     61     109
1992        69      29     65      94

In 1990, the second leading scorer on the Nordiques was Peter Stastny with 62 points in 62 games before being traded. In 1991, Sakic had 50 more points than his closest teammate; Mats Sundin tallied 59 points.

Sakic didn’t let the losing get to him. He kept battling and kept producing. 


Hall played his 200th game on Tuesday, and despite another loss, Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins haven’t come close to experiencing the type of losing that Sakic had to face.

Hall’s Oilers have played 248 games since he entered the league and they’ve won 87 of those. Sakic’s team won 75 of 320 during his first four seasons. Losing sucks and I’m sure it can wear down a player, but if Hall wants to become one of the greats he needs to keep playing hard, and hope that eventually he will be surrounded by better players. He needs to continue to show determination and play strong, and like Sakic, at times he will need to carry the Oilers on his back.

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Hall was the Oilers most dangerous forward in LA. He needs to keep playing like that, regardless of where the Oilers are in the standings or how often they are losing. Hall has the ability to be a franchise player, and considering how much he has improved in his last 100 games, I suspect he’ll only keep getting better.

I’ve heard some people suggesting the kids will get tired of losing and want out of Edmonton, but competitive people don’t think like that. There will be games where they look frustrated, and understandably so, but many elite players have started their NHL careers tasting defeat more often than victory, and the last thing that Hall or any of his teammates will do is feel sorry for themselves.

They need to be part of the solution, and when they start to win the victories will be more fulfilling because of what they learned in their first few seasons.


Mario Lemieux missed the playoffs in his first four seasons, and five of his first six. The Penguins drafted 2nd, 4th, 5th and 4th in his first four years.

Steven Stamkos has missed the playoffs four of his first five seasons. The Bolts have drafted 2nd, 6th, 10th and 3rd during those four losing seasons.

John Tavares has missed the playoffs three of his first four years, and the Islanders are poised to miss the postseason again. They have drafted 4th, 5th and 5th thus far in his non-playoff seasons.

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Rick Nash played five full seasons without the playoffs, and he missed the dance in 8 of his first 9 years.

Ilya Kovalchuk missed the postseason his first four years and seven of his first eight seasons.

Vincent Lecavalier missed the playoffs his first four seasons. The Bolts were scheduled to pick 1st, 5th, 3rd and 4th in those years.

**Sidenote**.. Rick Dudley was the GM for Tampa Bay in 1999 and he traded the 1st overall pick. He moved down to 4th, and then traded again and didn’t pick until 47th. He ended up with Dan Cloutier, Andrei Zyuzin, Shawn Burr and the Rangers 1st round pick in 2000. He could have used the first pick on Patrik Stefan or one of the Sedins, although those two had made it known they really wanted to play together.

The next year, Dudley traded the 5th pick to the Islanders for Kevin Weekes, Kristian Kurdroc and the 31st pick. The Islanders selected Raffi Torres. Despite these horrific deals, the Lightning still won the Cup in 2004. ***

Losing stinks but Hall and company aren’t the first group of young stars to endure losing seasons, so let’s stop the suggestions that they will want out of Edmonton. Anyone in the media or fan base who suggests these kids have endured too much losing need only look at the career paths of other young stars. Rarely is it an instant path to success.

Winning is difficult and as painful as these past few seasons have been for Hall and company, they need to learn from it, and be willing to ensure they improve their play so the team becomes more successful. Hall is good enough to lead this team to better times ahead, and he’ll likely inspire his teammates to follow him in the coming seasons.

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Arcobello got rocked by Drew Doughty in the 3rd period of Tuesday’s 3-0 loss to the Kings, and hasn’t skated since. Lander will draw in for Arcobello. 

The Oilers will need to get scoring chances from someone other than Hall tonight. The Avalanche are 6-5-1 in their last 12, and after a 16-5 start they are starting to look more like the team people expected. They aren’t a force like the Kings, Bruins or Ducks, but they will provide another solid test for the Oilers.

Dubnyk gets the start. I’m not one who buys into the "Dubnyk plays better when pushed" theory; however, it is obvious that Dubnyk needs to be more consistent.  I want a goalie who plays well regardless of who he shares the net with.


GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers will end their trip on a high, with a 4-2 victory in Denver.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Bordeleau and Gazdic drop the gloves. Fight fans love it, while anti-fight crowd will complain. This will never change.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Usually it is former Oilers scoring against Edmonton, but tonight Ryan Smyth bucks that trend and scores against his former team ending his 10-game goal scoring drought. In 16 home games, Erik Johnson has only been a minus player twice, but he ends up -1 tonight.


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  • PutzStew

    Hey Jason.

    Why don’t you mention the turn of round of the Nordiques and Penguins also coincide with the arrival of Pierre Page and Craig Fitzpatrick as GM’s?

    So here a few question for you Jason.

    Let say Katz’s plane crashes and leaves you the Oilers in his Will, Do you keep the current management as it is? What do you change, if you do decide to make changes? Why don’t you make changes if you don’t think changes need to be made.

    Honestly I think you are to scare of the wrath of Klowe and Co so you blow off my questions.

  • **

    that was such a bs call on Gagner. Both he and Statsny lumbered each other. If anything take both guys out for 2 minutes. Can’t beat the Oilers playing hockey, let’s act like a bunch of princesses and get man advantage. Pu$$ies.

  • Johnnydapunk

    So that’s what happens when you hit Gags in the face, fair play.

    The call as much as it annoys me, is not terribly wrong wrong as he did cross check him in the throat/face. I would have thought that a double minor would have been suitable as he did seem concerned right after that happened. I also know that “sympathy” is not a big deal, but most times when a player does something violent, they aren’t checking up on them, seemingly trying to stop play.

    I don’t know what you would call what Stastny did as it wasn’t really high sticking, and if you are all technical about what a cross check is, it’s not that either, but it is something, maybe hooking ?

    Maybe Gags should be getting a bar or two between that open space that he has between his visor and half itech shield thing.

    Hopefully they can kill the rest of it and perhaps some on the fly line rotation could be good.

    They got the first goal out of the way, and that usually means they can at least beat Varlamov, so fingers crossed, the result could be positive.

  • Johnnydapunk

    Hall getting an unsportsmanlike was a bit Pete Tong, and Eakins looks like he is ready to snap! Let the board rattling and water bottle tossing begin!!

  • Rocket

    OK The Avalanche completely dominated the first period. Physically, pace-of-play, puck possession etc. but The Oilers were winning so I thought that was cool.

    But those two late calls against The Oilers were bogus and now Oiler players are not sure what the refs are gonna call. WTF!

  • vetinari

    Another SH goal????

    We’ve totally abandoned putting a player directly in front of the opposition’s net and we now go with a wide umbrella formation around the perimeter and when he give up a turnover near the blue line, it’s always an odd man rush back.

    Fix this Eakins…

      • **

        It seems that no matter who’s in point they turn it over. The formation needs to change. The difference between the goal and the stop for Dubnyk was that on the goal he buried himself in the crease and for the second breakaway he was right by the top of crease.

      • vetinari

        What frustrates me the most is that the old system worked better and Eakins keeps stubbornly ramming this system down our throats. It doesn’t work. Teams pressure the lone defenceman (and I use that term loosely) at the point and there’s always a turnover. Always. Spread out two defenceman who can bomb the puck at the points, bring a centre to obstruct the goalie and have the wingers cycle for position. Why the heck does he keep going back to the wide umbrella???

  • reaperfunkss

    Awesome Shultz pass. Excellent tracking of the puck for the save. I know not dubies fault but here he can steal one and doesnt. Time to sign Shultz to a 6 mill a year deal now.

    6rings and counting

  • vetinari

    You know, I wasn’t necessarily expecting a playoff spot this year but I was expecting:

    1. a competitive team every night;
    2. more consistency, development and less mistakes from the kids (Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak and J. Schultz) and from the journeymen (Gagner and Dubnyk);
    3. more leadership and structure from the veterans;
    4. more tactical coaching from the “hot shot AHL” guy that every team was courting in the offseason;
    5. some bold moves to fill out the roster. Heck, I would even settle for some “not necessarily bold but definitely practical and necessary moves” at this point; and,
    6. meaningful games at least until the trade deadline.

    This year has definitely been a step back for the organization in most facets. Sure, there have been some goods things (acquiring Perron, signing Boyd), but the bad definitely outweighs the good. This is the first time that I’ve said it but we are “rebuilding the rebuild”. How many more years from here???

  • 2004Z06

    Having Schultz or Larsen play the point on the pp is always a disaster.
    Neither can shoot, both consistently turn the puck over, and neither can defend after said turnover.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    I know Yak is learning to play away from the puck, but there certainly appears to be a rift between Nail and Eakins.

    Dallas is turning him into a 4th line mucker.

    • vetinari

      I don’t know if I’ve heard very many of the players publicly support Eakins other than the basic “ra ra, know we need to dig deeper” crap, but I’ve never heard anyone say that they’d go through a wall for him or that he was a great teacher or that he knew what he was doing… at least nothing like I heard them say about Krueger or Renney. I think Yak actually loved playing for Krueger, but he’s not a fan of Eakins and his indirect trade request earlier this season was a sign of that. Yak will be the first of the kiddie 5 to be traded– watch…

  • Quicksilver ballet

    I haven’t bothered to look this up but I believe over the past five games the oilers power play has been outscored by the opposition penalty kill. What does this say about how this team is being managed?

  • I tried it at home

    Just for fun, every once in a while I think about what would happen if the Oilers had actually invited Bryz to training camp at no cost or obligation whatsoever, and had an open competition, and what this season would look like. Then I get really really drunk.