Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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  • vetinari

    Is it glue-sniffing season already in Edmonton?
    Who’d be breaking down the doors for a Dman who can’t stay healthy and has 10 career points in (far) lesser leagues?
    The NHL’s competent GMs are not eager to relieve The Mickey Mouse Club of its draft mistakes.
    Or is somebody going to point out that Klefbom’s corgis in close against tough Fenwicks on 5×5 zone starts are more important than his “counting numbers”?

  • Rick Stroppel

    Um… I think you folks might be over-estimating Shea Weber’s value a tad.

    There are a lot of names being thrown around and it seems like most of you think it’ll take two of Hall, Nuge, Eberle, and J-Schultz, along with Klefbom and the No. 1 pick.

    But I can quote some case-law that suggests that a deal for Weber could be done for less than that. And it’s a case involving another trade the Oilers made for adefenceman.

    In the summer of 2005, the Oilers traded Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka for a 30-year-old Chris Pronger.

    The Oilers got the league’s best defenceman for a decent No.3/4 defenceman, plus two mid-level prospects.

    Yes, I know – the Oilers were taking advantage of some Blues’ cap troubles. But, upon closer examination, the Blues’ troubles weren’t actually that bad.

    You’ll recall that, about five minutes after trading for Pronger, the Oilers signed him to a five-year contract worth $31.5 million US ($6.25 million US annually). But what is sometimes forgotten is that, before the trade, the Blues had tendered a qualifying offer to Pronger that would have paid him $7.22 million-per. Their problem was they also made similar offers to Keith Tkachuk and Doug Weight which would have meant that three players would have eaten up almost $20 million of their cap space (at the time, the cap was $39 million).

    In other words, the Blues weren’t really in “cap trouble,” but more “cap-inconvenience.” It’s my opinion that they could have lived with that arrangement and probably done OK … but I’m not a GM, and whoever was at the time obviously thought that Pronger was worth one quality NHL rearguard and two middling defensive prospects in a cap-motivated trade.

    I’d argue that the Predators could be in the same boat with Weber. And, I’d take it one step further and say that the Preds have a chance to do a better “hockey deal” than the Blues did eight years ago.

    Last time I checked, the Preds score at a rate of one goal a week. Eberle plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick should just about do it. Honestly. These are the deals that get made nowadays.

    Hall plus Nuge plus Klefbom plus the No. 1 pick? Don’t be silly, people. The Oilers didn’t get that for No. 99.

  • oilerjed

    @JW,
    My question for a big trade to happen is WHEN? Ive said it before and Ill say it again, sooner is better if this team wants to gain some momentum to start next season. I hate the thought of another summer of a few tweaks and then letting it roll. Why not get it started today, most teams we are talking about already know the score on these players too.

    In your opinion is MacT working it now or is he bidng his time until the trade deadline and draft. I hope not.

    • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

      There have been reports from credible sources that MacT and his team have been communicating with pretty much every team in the league for many weeks now. On the one hand they should be prepared for the deadline. On the other hand, GMs in today’s league seem to like the confidence they get by waiting for the deadline. They get to see what market value looks like….they get to peruse the players they want in order of priority, they get to save a few bucks in salary by not buying until the last minute, etc…..and the sellers perceive their leverage to be highest right at the deadline…..so lots of forces at play to make an early trade less likely.

    • A-Mc

      I would really like to see Klefbom play for a couple years before he gets traded away. Based on MacT’s comments, it sounded like Klefbom was going to make the team sometime THIS year; which obviously hasn’t happened.

      I suppose the ultimate goal is a major D addition and if Klefbom has to be a piece of the trade, then so be it. But imo, he doesnt get moved unless it’s part of a package trade that has a significant piece coming the other way.

      No Klefbom for Horak + Goalie prospects, please…

      PS: Not sure why it says i replied to you OilerJed. I didn’t mean to!

  • The Soup Fascist

    “…. an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz”.

    With these three guys chomping up the tough minutes as effortlessly as they are, it is easy to see why Smid was expendable ….

    The Oilers are at least two QUALITY defensemen away from being adequate. If a borderline #1 like Dion Phaneuf costs $49 million a year over 7 years ….. what is a free agent going to cost this summer – assuming you can convince an impact guy to sign here? A big trade with one of the kids or waiting and hoping for a Nurse, Klefbom et al to become serviceable appear to be the only options. Neither option (trading a kid / waiting) is particularly attractive.

  • If I’m MacTavish Weber is really the only player I move at.

    Weber instantly makes the defence better as a group & the Oilers players better. I doubt Campbell or Ehrhof would have the same effect overall on a team.

    Both Ehrhof & Campbell are ultra butter soft payers who on good teams are 2-3 D-players much like Campbell in Chicago & Ehrhof in Vancouver, this doesn’t help the Oilers.

    The Oilers need to get bigger, meaner & better.

    The Oilers need Weber almost as much for an identity as they need him to anchor a brutal defence & play 27 a night.

    The other is term, whether you hate it or not Weber is locked up for a long time, his salary in three years won’t look as bad as it does to some people now.

    To me getting any other defensemen is just getting more of the same.

    It’s the intangible’s that Weber brings that very few other can match, the respect he is given on the PP open up plays all over the ice. His aggressive play in the front is exactly what this team lacks, his PK work & ability to shut other teams top players down on a poor team.

    I hate to speculate what it would take to get Weber, it might be high? It might be right down the Pronger type deal?

    One thing is for certain, with J.Schultz you don’t need another Ehrhof or Campbell

  • Oilerz4life

    I see a lot of comments who seem to be rather more interested in staying the course, developing our prospects and picks, etc. Don’t trade away our star assets for pieces now, just be patient.

    And while I can understand this, I really can–because it will HURT to say goodbye to a quality piece or two to solve needs now–I think people miss the point. That if you DON’T do this now, you take the patient, slow-moving, build for the future approach, you may lose those stars anyways.

    By the time our prospects, picks, etc. develop into (hopefully) top-notch NHL quality players, our core guys contracts will be coming up. Anyone here want to tell me they see Hall, or RNH, or Eberle, re-signing here if they’ve been in a crappy re-build, finishing last or close to it, for the last 5-6 years?

  • A-Mc

    I think I would need to know what the 1st round pick is before I deal it, meaning nothing will happen until the summer. If the pick is top 2 (Reinhart or Ekblad), the pick should be off the table. And no way you give up a shot at Connor McDavid next year.

  • Serious Gord

    In light of the Gleason trade and the Phaneuf and ference signings I think it’s fair to say that the position that is undergoing the highest appreciation rate is the seasoned top four defenseman. (ference isn’t even a solid top four and he got paid pretty big dough for being a 4-5 player)

    That teams who lack strength in said top 1-4 players are all struggling in the standings justifies the rapid inflation rate and that is exacerbated by the looming big jump in cap room.

    That begets two things:

    1. Getting a player of the quality EDM needs cannot be done via Free agency – no potential candidate is coming of their own free will to a team that has so many non-monetary liabilities.

    2. It is going to take some stones on MacT’s part to consummate a deal as he will have to give up assets and take on cap commitments that will be viewed by the vast majority of oil fans as being a massive overpay. MacT has already shown a chronic tendency to overvalue the assets he has or knows – gagner, grebs and many many others – so I doubt he is prepared to take the plunge unless its prospects like klefbom or perhaps a player who is at odds with management (yak). And the latter has happened several times before so i suspect it may happen again.

    And, while there is some merit to making a move at the deadline – motivated trade partners, time during this season to acclimatize the team and get a better start next year – i think it would be a big mistake.

    Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal – sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season – the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick – a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team.

    That and the fact that there will be many more options available in the off-season than there will be at the trade deadline.

    • Serious Gord

      Your a complete idiot.

      You think these guys need MORE losing!? Tanking on purpose for the sake of a draft pick is 100% loser talk. Try and tell the to Hall or Eakins.

      Further more you say Mac’s signings have been questionable. How good are Hall and RNH and hopefully Ebs going to look at 6 mil when the cap is approaching 80mill in 3-4 years?

      I dont fully put the blame on yourself however for this assinine opinion. Years of bad management and losing clouds people judgement.

      • Serious Gord

        Let me clarify a bit. As the team is currently constituted there is almost no chance they will finish out of the bottom five. It would be more likely that they finish worse (30th) than they are now as buffalo seems to be getting a bit better and is playing most of its games against the east whereas EDM will be getting its teeth kicked in most games against the western powerhouses.

        Thus making significant additions – improvements – is pointless and risky. Better to stand pat and see what the current group can do and not give Eakins any excuse to avoid being fired for continued incompetency.

        • Spydyr

          Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a “potential” difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

          • OnlyOil

            Harry I totally agree with you, losing is not an option for this team. Losing the loser mentality has got to be the only way from here on out. If the players refuse to buy in to the team systems on how MacT and Eakins want this team to play…then move them out. In case nobody has noticed river hockey, free wheeling, defensively irresponsible hockey is for losers, this team doesn’t have the talent of the 80’s Oilers did, they must be defensively responsible. Taylor Hall is a champion and he will not tolerate this losing BS

          • A-Mc

            You’re blurring the lines between the different perspectives on the team.

            From the Players perspective, you’re right, losing CAN’T be the mandate. But from the GM’s perspective (Serious Gord’s position) getting the highest draft pick possible is best if you’re going to suck anyway.

            You’re using insulting words by calling him a complete idiot and then you’re arguing a position that is from a perspective NOT related to personnel acquisition.

            The Subject matter of the original article suggests that we are to put our GM thinking caps on so please drop the crap about player mentality.

          • Spydyr

            If you.are a gm whos team has finished in the bottom of the standings 5years running and your still.saying we should lose more and more and more that is what constitutes a complete idiot.

            Arent you sick of losing?

    • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

      I think MacT is prepared to overpay and I don’t think he thinks he can afford to let any opportunity go untapped…..I believe he will be in the thick of things at the deadline in both directions….moving players out and moving players in……of course many other teams will be trying to outbid him…we’ll see if the prep work he’s doing now pays off or not.

      It’s almost certain that the majority of Oilers fans will not be happy with the overpays….but it will take an overpay to make anything significant happen in our favour.

  • Serious Gord

    Sooner or later, we have to give up something of value in order to get value. We can keep shipping out guys like Ladislav Smid, Nick Shultz and Ryan Jones for draft picks and prospects but eventually we will need to trade a useful piece knowing full well that they could contribute to another organization. We do have pieces that other teams could find useful, they’re all just too young or bring the same things to the table. Not all of our prospect Dmen will get the opportunity to play for the Edmonton Oilers so, other than Nurse, they should be available for the right price.

  • Stack Pad Save

    I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him. The simple fact is that Mac will need to cough something up to get a good player and considering whats in the pipe on Defense I would imagine Klefbom or Gernat would be the likely moves out but Klefbom has more value. I would vote for a Dustin Byfuglien trade as I think he brings a lot of things this team needs including some attitude, he has a Cup under his belt and is still 28. His conditioning might be an issue but I’m sure Eakins can take care of that.

    So JW what do you think it would take in a trade the get Dustin Byfuglien?

      • John Chambers

        Byfuglien is the guy I would target instead of Ehrhoff because he has both offensive abilities as well as size and nastiness that this team hasn’t had since Souray.

        Although Ehrhoff’s contract is a bargain, and worth trading for in and of itself.

        • The Soup Fascist

          With the new liberal cannabis laws in Colorado which came into effect January 1st, expect ‘ol Dusty to end up with the Avs in the not too distant future.

          Byfuglien’s list of teams in a limited NTC: Colorado Avs, Seattle (upon being granted a expansion team) and Jamaica.

      • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

        I would take Byfuglien in a heartbeat……but I don’t think he’s what the Oilers mgt is looking for….too tough, too much of a rebel for their tastes and eats too many doughnuts…….for Oilers mgt it’s Penner and Souray all over again….and they don’t like, and can’t seem to manage,outspoken players who go against the grain……unfortunately …

  • vetinari

    I get real scared when I think of Oiler trades.You know Lowe Katz and probably Katz’s son have final say. I would like something better than Campbell or Erhoff. If you are going to trade a dman with lots of upside such as Klefbom make it a blockbuster ,Klefbom our first and possibly Eberle, that would be very very bold.Nobody else on our 2nd 3rd or 4th lines have any real cache.

  • Oilers4Ever

    What are you people on? I mean it–what good drugs do you clearly have?

    The Oilers players are, on the whole, only of value to the Oilers. On a REAL hockey team, sadly, most of these players would be fringe/injury insurance at best.

    No one wants Gags, even if we did decide to trade before the NTC kicks in. Certainly not for a player of value, even in a package (unless part of that package is RNH, Hall, or maaaybe Ebs). No one really wants Hemmer, and if they do, they’ll sit tight until off-season, then pick him up without having to give us a thing.

    Most teams aren’t going to give us a solid dman, a 2C, a goalie, etc, etc. etc. for any of our prospects or even possibly the pick. You want improvement, you have to give to get. And we can’t afford more seasons of giving crap to get different crap.

    We can continue to try that, or wait on our prospects, but it wont be long until the “trade me out of this hell hole please” rumblings start from RNH, Ebs, Hall, Perron, etc.

    • PutzStew

      I agree. Who would want Gagner right now? What is his current value? At the moment very little.
      Hemsky is a 2cd or 3rd round pick. Maybe.

      N Shultz? 4-6 th round. His numbers are awful.

      The only way we get any of our needs is by trading away other key pieces.

      Then the pundits want MacT to piss away a possible 1-5 pick. For what? So we can still suck 5 years from now.

      Good teams develop players longterm. A franchise needs to draft and develop players continuously.

      What is this the point of all this losing if we only glory once? We need to build a team and an organization that is competitive over time. Not for just short spurts.

      MacT knows this and I hope he will do the right thing for this franchise longterm.

  • Spydyr

    The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

    • Serious Gord

      Why is it disgusting? It is 100% true. And it is a credit to both Sather and MacT what happened because Sather took a chance and MacT made the most of it – the number of people who are convicted and jailed for vehicular homicide and actually make something of their lives is very very few.

    • Spydyr

      Some people cannot handle the truth.

      Why would the truth be classless and ignorant?

      It happened a human being sadly lost their life.Putting your head in the sand and ignoring it will not change that fact.Pretending it did not happen does not mean that it did not happen.

  • A-Mc

    A major deal for a top defenseman would, I think, be more likely in the summer.

    The package we received for Pronger was a skill player, a first round pick and a defensive prospect. A package of Eberle, 2014 1st(top 5), and Klefbom is a superior mix and could, maybe, be enough to get Nashville intrigued.

    For a lesser D such as Ehrhoff I imagine a team like Buffalo would like a prospect the caliber of Klefbom and may be happy to dump that contract and trade straight across. I’m not sure that we have the right pieces to include in such a deal.

    JW, do you think the oilers have the necessary assets to gain an Ehrhoff caliber defenseman without over paying?

  • vetinari

    I could easily see MacT packaging up one of either Eberele (the most trade value with a locked in long term contract) or Yakupov (the red-headed stepchild) together with Klefbom for some veteran defensive help and then use the 2014 first rounder to pick yet another forward to replace the outgoing forward. Just a hunch given that we hate to “waste” top 5 picks on defencemen…

  • The Soup Fascist

    U can’t trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it’s a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.

        • PutzStew

          No it doesn’t.

          This is what you wrote…
          “U can’t trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it’s a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.”

          You did not state you where going to get Webber. You mentioned drafting Ekblad, but nothing about Webber. He just magically appeared there.

          That why it makes no sense…not to mention a pipe dream.

  • oilerjed

    Teams that are competing for the post season or adding a missing piece or two for a cup run will not be trading actual NHL players at the deadline. MacT. will likely trade some pieces on the edge, aka N. Schultz, and others to stock pile draft picks which he will then turn into real NHL players as part of a package at the draft. Only way it works to maximize value of the assets. Flipping it around and trading picks for assets at the TD is what contenders do. We’re not there.

  • Wohin gehst du?

    I think Buffalo would take Gagner for Steve Ott straight and if Im MacT, I do that in 1.5 seconds. Ott, a ufa, becomes the C to monitor Thornton, Getz and the other big C’s in our division.

    Next, do whatever the heck is necessary to land Webber, I think Eberle/Klefbom will do it.

    Once you have Webber, then I honestly think we use J. Schultz as an asset to move out for a golden C….im thinking, J. Shultz/Alice/#2 for Coutourier/Simmonds

    so we have added:

    Ott, Webber, Coutourier and Simmonds and we delete gagner, alice, eberle, kelfbom….now that is frickin bold and our team is meteorically better.

        • PutzStew

          Sigh…..

          Ok Start with Hall or RNH….

          Add a Nurse…..or maybe a Klefbom…

          Probably a first rounder….I would want 2014 myself…maybe both 2013 and 2014….

          and you might need to include a second rounder…maybe Yak….or Ebs…Gagner…Petry….who knows….

          Just think “What would Philly give up for Webber?”…..Or NYR?…..San Jose?….Etc……Now you have to beat that.

          Eberle is a decent player but not impact enough to be the major part of the trade. Shultz…Same, but worse. Klefbom. He’s not even an impact in the AHL and has barely played in the past two seasons. And this years first isn’t going to be worth that much, unless it is #1 or #2.

          Before you folks make these silly proposals please stop and try to imagine yourself as a fan of the other team….I know it may be hard because no other team has sucked as bad as the Oilers in a really long time….but think to yourself “Would I be willing to accept those Oilers Players in return for this player?”

          This line of thinking will make a few of you look much more knowledgeable than you are causing yourselves to look.

          • Weber aside, what makes you think a player like Hall or RNH needs to be moved to get a #1 defenseman?

            They have been traded before, so why don’t you take a second and look at what high end defenseman usually go for.

            hint: It is NEVER players like Hall and RNH.

            I agree that Weber is likely not on the table right now, but your apparent belief that everyone else is an idiot because they don’t think it will cost Hall to get a top shelf defenseman is absurd.

          • PutzStew

            The conversation does not involving a # 1 dman, it is involving Webber and Webber’s value is going to be much higher then most number one Dmen.

            Thinking you could steal Webber for anything less then one of Hall or RNH is absurd.

            And no I don’t think everyone is an idiot, just people thinking they are going to win a sweepstakes for Webber, using bit parts. If you read the comments I’m not the only one that thinks so.

            Here something fun. Fnd some Nashville blog sites and offer them Eberle, Klefbom and this years first for Webber.

            Let me know how you make out.

          • I take it then that you had no luck finding a trade like the one you are suggesting?

            So essentially your position is that Weber would be the best defenseman ever traded in the NHL so if he was traded it would be like no other trade we have ever seen?

    • PutzStew

      Lets start here.

      Ott will be a good deadline pick up and someone will probably over pay for him. Gagner needs to be behind a good top center so Buffalo isn’t a good place for him.

      See above about Webber.

      And why would Philly want Shultz? Especially if Webber is available. Do you really think Nashville would juts let the Oilers know that Webber is available? Do you think they fell sorry for Edmonton and would just give Webber away, with out seeing what else was being offered??? Or that Philly would settle with Shultz as a runner up gift???

      How about this….I will give you a 2x$5bills for one $20bill?

      Come on. You get 2 for the price of one. I’ll only do it for you though because you are special.

  • Rdubb

    With his contract @ $6M i think Jordan Eberle should be the kid used as trade Bait. Sam Gagner Needs to go but the problem is he’s got no trade Value.

    These are the Guys id Try to Target Next summer:

    Centers
    Joe Thorton 34(2nd Line Center), David Bolland 27 (2nd Line Center)Boyle Brian 29(4th Line Center)

    Defencemen:
    Dan Girardi 29 making around $3.5M
    Andrej Meszaros 28 making $4.00M
    Andrei Markov 35 making 5.75M

    LW:
    Dustin Penner 31 making $2M
    Matt Moulson 30 Making $3.3M

    RW:
    Ryan Callahan 28 Making $4.275M
    Jarome Iginla 36 Making $6M

    Goalies:
    Jaroslav Halak, 28 making $3.7M
    Jonas Hiller, 31 Making $4.5M
    Ryan Miller , 33 Making $6.250M (but he wouldnt sign here)

    • HardBoiledOil 1.0

      if we ever managed to sign a 27 year old Bolland, then that for sure would be the end of Gagner as the 2nd line center here, though they’d likely drop him to 3rd line center or move him to the wing with Hemsky likely gone as a UFA.

      Girardi would be another good vet to sign for our sad defense, though we need more than just him.

      Hiller or Halak would also be a great signing and I think MacT is likely targeting one of those two in the off season.

      I don’t feel Callahan will sign here at his age, he along with Bolland will likely sign with contenders.

      but we could have a chance at Brian Boyle, though don’t expect much more than a 4th line center with enormous size.

  • @ Jonathan Willis – Rushing a deal with any of the young d-men right now would be a mistake. The Oilers are dealing from a serious position of weakness. Klefbom’s value is likely at its lowest – if they were going to deal him it should have been at the beginning of last season (pre-injury) when every team was high on him. Now that his warts are showing as he learns the North American game, and coming off an injury, his value is diminished. They need to let him correct them in OKC and make up for the development season he lost before looking at dealing him IMHO.

    Besides, a #1 d-man will not fix a roster with this many holes. It will take at least two seasons to do that.

    Right now the smarter approach would be to let Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat et. al develop further before dealing them. This team lacks NHL calibre blueline depth, and the only way to get that cost effectively is to draft and develop. Where did pairings like Weber and Suter or Seabrook and Keith come from? Drafting and developing. The problem is that it takes time to do so. Fans need to accept that the supporting player cupboard was so bare due to inept drafting/development and/or letting valuable NHLers go due to GM/coaches’ favoritism (how would Greene, Brodziak, Cogliano, etc. look on the team now?).

    As I have been saying since the deal was done, wasting the one young forward with size and value at the end of last year in a deal for Perron instead of for a #1 or #2 d-man was a mistake. Regardless of how many points Perron scores against weak competition (notice how he does not do as well against bigger teams?), he does not improve the team anywhere near as much as a #1 or #2 d-man would have. The fact that MacT wasted the one expendable young forward with value at the end of the season speaks volumes about his ability to identify and address needs as a GM, as well as assess and value talent (the overpays for Ference and Gagner being exhibits B and C).

    • A-Mc

      Sorry, you weren’t going to get a #1/2 Dman for Magnus PRV.

      If anyone was given the option of trading PRV for a #1/2 Dman OR Perron, it’s a no brainer to take the Dman. That option wasn’t presented because there’s no way PRV was part of a trade for that calibre of player.

      Perron was a steal and we were lucky to get that. The only reason we did was because of STL’s money situation.

      • 15w40

        Sorry if it sounded that way, but I did not mean to insinuate that MPS would get us a #1/#2. He is worth a #5 at best alone. No one is giving us a #1 unless Hall, Ebs or Nuge are in the mix.

        What I was trying to say is that he was a an expendable asset and trading chip of value that could have been used in a package to land one. Instead, MacT wasted one of the few tradeable assets with value that he had for a player that does not noticeably improve the team.

        Perron can score and plays with a bit of an edge (he picks his spots), but his skill set is redundant. As a second line forward his ability to make the team better is limited (his defensive lapses are common as well which is why Hitchcock was eager to deal him), but a true #2 d-man, let alone a #1, would have. Now, if MacT had sweetened the pot with MPS + pick (2nd or 3rd round)/prospect and taken a top 4 d-man in return from St. Louis then it would have been a good trade.

        Building a team means filling all the holes in your roster, not just trading for the BPA with a redundant skill set. MacT won the Perron for MPS trade in the short term, but it did not improve the team as much as #2 d-man would have. Maybe he can package Perron + young gun + pick(s)/prospect(s) into a #1 or #2, but if not then it was a waste of an asset (just like Smid for a 6th round pick to clear phantom cap space…….).

  • HardBoiledOil 1.0

    I’d suspect that they are already looking to move Sam Gagner. His NTC kicks in this summer. Maybe that’s why we saw Roman Horak get a looksee at centre.

    I don’t think I’ve seen anybody mention Kulikov here. He’s risky in terms of his development and risk of flight to the KHL, but if Sam Gagner’s value is as low as some of you suggest it is, then maybe that’s the deal you could complete without surrendering too much.

  • PutzStew

    I only read a few comments but that was enough.

    Eberle, Prospect and Pick will not get you Weber. Thats not even up for debate.

    Don’t forget there would be 29 teams in on the bidding. One of those would have to be Philly too. What do you think they would give up to get him.

    So if if I was Nashville, I would be asking Hall/RNH, Nurse and this years 1st for Weber.

    If you think different then keep drinking the Koolaid. At then least you will have an excuse for not having a clue.

    • A-Mc

      That’s likely what they would be asking for, but it’s not something that would get done.

      1st overall, 7th overall and likely top 3 overall, all likely to make 6m+/yr (by todays standards) for Weber? No way.

      I guess I’m drinking the Koolaid, but i think at least 1 of those pieces needs to be of lower caliber than top 10 pick: ie: Ebs, Klef and our 1st.

      • PutzStew

        So when making a trade, teams base the grading of potential player on their draft position.

        That would mean PVR would be higher then Webber.

        Just saying.

        My point is that Philly was willing to give up 4 first round picks to get Webber. They even tried to sweeten the pot to get him. If he is available, what do you think they would give Nashville to get him? The only one I think they would not trade, would be Giroux.

        So lets see. If I was Nashville….how about Couturier, Coburn, Voracek….picks…..prospects…..??? I don’t think Philly will hold back if they have a chance to get Webber.

        So my point is that you have to beat someone like Philly if you are going to win a sweepstakes for Webber, you are not going to be able to skimp. Edmonton would have to be all in to get him. Eberle, Klefbom and this years first is not all in.

  • pkam

    I know of 3 types of trades.

    1st type is playoff teams trade their futures for immediate help to push for the playoff and the cup. Usually, you give up more in this kind of trade. Since we are not a playoff team so so I don’t think we are looking at the 1st type of trade.

    2nd type is exchange of garbage. Hopefully your garbage may work better than mine. I don’t think this type of trade is going to help us but at least it will quiet some fans with new faces.

    3rd type is two teams trade away their redundant strength to fill a hole of their own.

    I know we have needs in at least one 1st pairing D, more likely 2. A big 2C, a starting goalie, bigger 3rd line winger, and a 4C. But where is our redundant strength?

    The only position we may have some redundancy is top 2 RW in Eberle, Yak and Hemsky. But some suggests that Eberle has already reached his maximum potential, Yak is still a big gamble, and Hemsky has no more value and we should let him walk UFA. So even our deepest position is not that deep. If we have so many holes and no real redundancy, what does it mean?

    Some suggest packaging RNH/Hall for Weber. So we fill the top D hole with a new hole in 1C or 1LW? How is this helping our team?

    So how can we improve the team but filling one hole with another?

    I don’t know about you, IMO, we are not ready yet. No trade is going to fix the problem. If we can’t lure UFA to come here, the only option we have is to be patient and fill up our cupboard first.

    If we are to trade away our young core players for some immediately help to push for playoff, we will never have a team good enough for the cup. Isn’t it what we we did prior to 2010?

    • Spydyr

      This is exactly what we did. I agree with your reasoning. It reflects what I have been saying about drafting and developing.

      I totally disagree with those who feel that making the playoffs is the goal. Yup we’ve seen where that path lead year after year. Losses to Dallas/Detroit/Colorado and so on.

      Just getting there is and should not be the end all and be all.
      It should be about being competitive long term like those Sharks were playing tonight.

      The experience factor is so huge. And what do our top 6 lack vs the top 6 teams in the WC. Experience.
      Teows and Kane are 4 years ahead of Hall and Ebs and RNH. Minimum.

      Yup we should be their equal because we say so.Does not happen. Hall has made great strides as a player. But it takes more than Hall to win.
      It will take time and patience.

  • Spydyr

    So what do you guys think a reasonable return for a package like this:

    Eberle+Klefbom+2014 1st (with best shot at either of Ekblad or Reinhart or whoever else they’re pimping by then)

    I would think that could form the basis of a deal that might land a player of Subban’s calibre. I love me some Shea Weber, but I would be targeting Subban before him given his current contract situation, his insane talent, and his age.

      • pkam

        I’m also probably in the minority here, but all things equal, I think a 24 year old Subban might be a more valuable asset (assuming he can be signed for an $8x8MM type deal) than a 28 year old Weber signed for an AAV of $7.87MM until he’s 40.

        • Spydyr

          My choice would be Alex Pietrangelo 6 ft 3 in 205 lb signed for seven-years worth $45.5 million ($6.5 million per season)He is 23 fits right into the group age wise.I would trade anyone not named Hall or Nuge but good luck getting him .

          • Spydyr

            I like Pietrangelo too but I think Subban is more of a complete player. The extra $1.5MM per in cap space would be nice though, but I think he’d be a harder get because of that cap-friendly deal.

          • 15w40

            To be honest, I don’t watch enough of either player to make a truly informed opinion, but by the numbers Subban is more impressive in all three game states, and the MTL blog circuit has pretty much nothing but heaping praise for him while casting aside opinions about his character as being uninformed.

            I’m not saying you are, but that narrative just doesn’t seem to jive with what smarter people than me usually say about him. What kind of stuff have you seen/read that makes you think that way about him anyway?

          • Spydyr

            I seen highlights of him doing some things in previous years that make him look like a me player. His extended contract battles lean that way too.

            Like you I have not seen either player a whole bunch but what I do know is most experts have Pietrangelo as a lock for the Olympic team and Subban is on the bubble.

            That shows people with higher a hockey IQ and more information then us think Pietrangelo is the better player.

          • Spydyr

            Those same experts with higher hockey IQs than us tried to, and did, pay David Clarkson almost $7MM per annum to play hockey. David Clarkson. I’m not going to hang my hat on anything anyone of those mouthpieces who are paid to spout off has to say.

            I’m no expert, far from it, but I’m fairly satisfied with my opinion about PK and how I got there. Using the same criteria, Pietrangelo is below him in almost every way.

      • Spydyr

        Yeah it certainly might be – but it being an overpay doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not what the market is for that player. You think Eberle+1st would get it done?

        I’d be inclined to agree that a lesser deal could be found if the Oilers were willing to wait until Subban’s contract situation potentially deteriorated, but I think this is a package that would be hard to turn down and would make the Oilers significantly better immediately, and for the next 10 years.

        • Spydyr

          It should but again I would not trade the first until I knew what it was.Ekblad may end up being a better player then Subban and you have given them Eberle also.

          • 15w40

            As for this part:

            He may, he may also end up being a bust. Subban is a Norris winner with a proven record of excellence for going on three seasons now. He’s the real deal, and the Oilers need a few more of those and a few less ‘could be great’s’ in the organization at this time.

  • PutzStew

    Stupidest proposed trade EVER!! That’s why it will likely happen. If any other NHL team owned Klefbom it would not even be considered. This disfunctional and incompetent management are just liiable to do it.

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    Willis I have a question for you that you might be able to figure out for me.

    Does the value for players actually go up or down at trade deadline? Is there a trend of players being over valued in trades or undervalued?

    The reason I ask, is if the Oilers are waiting to trade deadline to sell-off pieces again is it better to sell early and get more value or alternative if they are going for BOLD moves, can they get a better player on the cheap at trade deadline?

    • It depends, but for a lot of players the value goes up, and certainly for rentals the transaction becomes a lot easier because a team that won’t take on 40 games of say, Nick Schultz’s salary, might be willing to take on 20 if it gives them a vet they can plug in at the five/six/seven spot in the playoffs.

      My guess is that if you’re taking money back in a deal, the deadline acts solely as a catalyst, forcing two interested parties to come together. But if you’re not taking money back then a lot of times waiting until the deadline is the only way to go.