Oscar Klefbom might be most valuable to the Edmonton Oilers as a trade chip

It sounds decidedly counterintuitive. The Oilers need defencemen, so why would they trade a big 20-year-old blue-liner with a range of skills just as he’s learning the North American professional game?

There are reasons why it may make sense.

Availability

The simple fact is that Edmonton desperately needs at least one top-pairing calibre defenceman. The modern incarnation of Chris Pronger would be the dream here, which is why Shea Weber’s name never dies, but that may not be possible and if it isn’t Edmonton has to fill the void somehow.

The names that might be available on the trade market are generally some distance south of Weber. Players like Christian Ehrhoff and Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien are the ones people speculate about; good, useful defenders either underrated by their current teams or playing out the string on a roster miles away from contending.

All of those guys have some warts, but all of them would represent a massive upgrade for an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz. If MacTavish can’t bring in a Pronger, he needs to find at least a Boris Mironov or Janne Niinimaa or Roman Hamrlik. And given the meagre free agent pickings available, odds are good he’ll have to do it via trade.

Perfect Storm

In this hypothetical trade for a good defenceman, Edmonton needs a package of certain quality to trade. It has to be good enough to get the other team interested. It has to be non-vital enough that it isn’t going to crush the team to lose it. And finally it needs to be fair value for the Oilers, a team that needs to put meat on the table for every shot they fire.

The 2014 first round draft pick might have fit those bills, but at this point the Oilers would need eight more points than they have just to get outside the top-five of the draft. It’s still a moveable piece, but the return on it needs to be something bigger than Mironov or Niinimaa and those returns are hard to land.

Some of the young forwards (Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) are too vital to make the list; the others (Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov) fall into the same boat as that 2014 pick, where the guy coming the other way needs to be a lot bigger than he’s likely to be. Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre, and the only plausible internal replacement has all of 32 career games under his belt.

What about Darnell Nurse? Team Canada may not be in love with him but he’s a 6’4” 18-year-old with a mean streak and a near point-per-game scoring run under his belt in junior this year. He’s not going to be good enough soon enough to plug the hole on defence himself, but he’s Edmonton’s best prospect by a country mile and a perfect fit for long-term need.

Which is where Klefbom comes in. He’s a good player, with that nice blend of skills and a combination of size and speed that’s awfully hard to find. He was a first round draft pick. So he has value. But at the same time, he’s also 27 games into his AHL career, 20 years old and a guy who barely played last season; he isn’t going to fix Edmonton’s blue line problems any time soon. He can move the puck but his offensive ability has a definite ceiling; he might evolve into a very, very good shutdown guy but that’s years away and not impossible to find. He’s a left-shooting defenceman on a team with Nurse, Martin Marincin, Martin Gernat, Brandon Davidson and Dillon Simpson, so the Oilers have both quality and depth at the position.

Put it all together and it’s hard not to wonder if Klefbom is moved at some point. He has enough value to be the key asset in return for a good NHL player, much like he was when Edmonton moved Dustin Penner out. His absence doesn’t hurt the Oilers now, and they have a wealth of prospects at the position. And while an excellent prospect he’s not the kind of player likely to embarrass the team by winning a Norris Trophy five years down the road.

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  • Rdubb

    With his contract @ $6M i think Jordan Eberle should be the kid used as trade Bait. Sam Gagner Needs to go but the problem is he’s got no trade Value.

    These are the Guys id Try to Target Next summer:

    Centers
    Joe Thorton 34(2nd Line Center), David Bolland 27 (2nd Line Center)Boyle Brian 29(4th Line Center)

    Defencemen:
    Dan Girardi 29 making around $3.5M
    Andrej Meszaros 28 making $4.00M
    Andrei Markov 35 making 5.75M

    LW:
    Dustin Penner 31 making $2M
    Matt Moulson 30 Making $3.3M

    RW:
    Ryan Callahan 28 Making $4.275M
    Jarome Iginla 36 Making $6M

    Goalies:
    Jaroslav Halak, 28 making $3.7M
    Jonas Hiller, 31 Making $4.5M
    Ryan Miller , 33 Making $6.250M (but he wouldnt sign here)

    • HardBoiledOil 1.0

      if we ever managed to sign a 27 year old Bolland, then that for sure would be the end of Gagner as the 2nd line center here, though they’d likely drop him to 3rd line center or move him to the wing with Hemsky likely gone as a UFA.

      Girardi would be another good vet to sign for our sad defense, though we need more than just him.

      Hiller or Halak would also be a great signing and I think MacT is likely targeting one of those two in the off season.

      I don’t feel Callahan will sign here at his age, he along with Bolland will likely sign with contenders.

      but we could have a chance at Brian Boyle, though don’t expect much more than a 4th line center with enormous size.

  • Spydyr

    So what do you guys think a reasonable return for a package like this:

    Eberle+Klefbom+2014 1st (with best shot at either of Ekblad or Reinhart or whoever else they’re pimping by then)

    I would think that could form the basis of a deal that might land a player of Subban’s calibre. I love me some Shea Weber, but I would be targeting Subban before him given his current contract situation, his insane talent, and his age.

      • Spydyr

        Yeah it certainly might be – but it being an overpay doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not what the market is for that player. You think Eberle+1st would get it done?

        I’d be inclined to agree that a lesser deal could be found if the Oilers were willing to wait until Subban’s contract situation potentially deteriorated, but I think this is a package that would be hard to turn down and would make the Oilers significantly better immediately, and for the next 10 years.

        • Spydyr

          It should but again I would not trade the first until I knew what it was.Ekblad may end up being a better player then Subban and you have given them Eberle also.

          • 15w40

            As for this part:

            He may, he may also end up being a bust. Subban is a Norris winner with a proven record of excellence for going on three seasons now. He’s the real deal, and the Oilers need a few more of those and a few less ‘could be great’s’ in the organization at this time.

      • pkam

        I’m also probably in the minority here, but all things equal, I think a 24 year old Subban might be a more valuable asset (assuming he can be signed for an $8x8MM type deal) than a 28 year old Weber signed for an AAV of $7.87MM until he’s 40.

        • Spydyr

          My choice would be Alex Pietrangelo 6 ft 3 in 205 lb signed for seven-years worth $45.5 million ($6.5 million per season)He is 23 fits right into the group age wise.I would trade anyone not named Hall or Nuge but good luck getting him .

          • Spydyr

            I like Pietrangelo too but I think Subban is more of a complete player. The extra $1.5MM per in cap space would be nice though, but I think he’d be a harder get because of that cap-friendly deal.

          • 15w40

            To be honest, I don’t watch enough of either player to make a truly informed opinion, but by the numbers Subban is more impressive in all three game states, and the MTL blog circuit has pretty much nothing but heaping praise for him while casting aside opinions about his character as being uninformed.

            I’m not saying you are, but that narrative just doesn’t seem to jive with what smarter people than me usually say about him. What kind of stuff have you seen/read that makes you think that way about him anyway?

          • Spydyr

            I seen highlights of him doing some things in previous years that make him look like a me player. His extended contract battles lean that way too.

            Like you I have not seen either player a whole bunch but what I do know is most experts have Pietrangelo as a lock for the Olympic team and Subban is on the bubble.

            That shows people with higher a hockey IQ and more information then us think Pietrangelo is the better player.

          • Spydyr

            Those same experts with higher hockey IQs than us tried to, and did, pay David Clarkson almost $7MM per annum to play hockey. David Clarkson. I’m not going to hang my hat on anything anyone of those mouthpieces who are paid to spout off has to say.

            I’m no expert, far from it, but I’m fairly satisfied with my opinion about PK and how I got there. Using the same criteria, Pietrangelo is below him in almost every way.

  • Spydyr

    “Sam Gagner’s tradable but opens up an ugly hole at centre,”

    Acro can fill that hole short term until the summer.It is not like they are going to make the playoffs.

    • vetinari

      Gagner is not tradeable at the moment. Do you think any GM would take on $4.8 million for a center who is on track for less the 40 points and trending to a -30? Unless he starts playing better, a buy out will be the Oil’s only option. You are falling into the common fault of the Edmonton Sport’s media of over valuing the Oil’s players abilities.

      If you think of the Penner to LA trade a few years ago, the Oil got two first rounders for Penner ( Teubert and a pick who became Klefbom). If this is a metric it will take more than just a lower 1st round pick who has yet to show much as a pro for a higher end D man. I would suggest the Oil would need offer up at least at much as the got for Penner.

      • oilerjed

        With repect to Gags I would have to disagree. I think most GMs would see it for what it is. A solid offensive contributer having a miserable year on both defense and offense. I wouldnt put too much stock in the idea that Gagner is a worthless asset.

        • John Chambers

          At that contract number he is a worthless asset. MacT overpaid for him last summer and now he is dead weight in any trade.

          Add in the fact that he has offensive skill, but has always been defensively clueless, is small, and an average skater at best, and he has little to no value to another team.

          The smart move last year would have been to qualify him and then let him test the RFA market. If another team signed him, take the 1st round pick (or picks if someone overpaid) and go away laughing.

          Like I said when the deal was done, the smarter move would have been dealing Gagner instead of Colgiano…….

      • Spydyr

        But, but he scored eight points in a game once.

        All kidding aside anyone is tradable and GM’s value draft postilion and youth.

        The bigger concern to me is why was Gagner signed to that contract in the first place.Including a partial no trade clause.Easy answer is yes management here is that bad.It is mind numbing the incompetence of this management group.

        It is better to trade him for whatever you can get between now and the trade deadline then to buy him out for no return this summer.

        The sad,scary part is it looks like management here still believe he is part of the solution not part of the problem.

        His game and the teams record states otherwise.

        • Serious Gord

          If you put yourself in the shoes of the other team’s GM, would you even take Gangner for zero? You are stuck with the $4.8 mill for another 2 years. Why would anyone do that?

          Why was he signed is one of the key problems with the Oil. Can’t seem to evaluate player’s abilities. I think they often see “talent” as the same as a player’s ability to play the game.

          If they could get the same deal as they got for Omark (which might be zero) they should do it.

  • Serious Gord

    In light of the Gleason trade and the Phaneuf and ference signings I think it’s fair to say that the position that is undergoing the highest appreciation rate is the seasoned top four defenseman. (ference isn’t even a solid top four and he got paid pretty big dough for being a 4-5 player)

    That teams who lack strength in said top 1-4 players are all struggling in the standings justifies the rapid inflation rate and that is exacerbated by the looming big jump in cap room.

    That begets two things:

    1. Getting a player of the quality EDM needs cannot be done via Free agency – no potential candidate is coming of their own free will to a team that has so many non-monetary liabilities.

    2. It is going to take some stones on MacT’s part to consummate a deal as he will have to give up assets and take on cap commitments that will be viewed by the vast majority of oil fans as being a massive overpay. MacT has already shown a chronic tendency to overvalue the assets he has or knows – gagner, grebs and many many others – so I doubt he is prepared to take the plunge unless its prospects like klefbom or perhaps a player who is at odds with management (yak). And the latter has happened several times before so i suspect it may happen again.

    And, while there is some merit to making a move at the deadline – motivated trade partners, time during this season to acclimatize the team and get a better start next year – i think it would be a big mistake.

    Like it or not tanking for the rest of the season should be the goal – sadly the only advantage to having a disastrous season – the remainder of the year. to play their way out of a top five pick – a pick that could get that high-end defenseman or some other desperately needed asset would be a silly, face-saving gesture that goes against the long-term interests of the team.

    That and the fact that there will be many more options available in the off-season than there will be at the trade deadline.

    • Serious Gord

      Your a complete idiot.

      You think these guys need MORE losing!? Tanking on purpose for the sake of a draft pick is 100% loser talk. Try and tell the to Hall or Eakins.

      Further more you say Mac’s signings have been questionable. How good are Hall and RNH and hopefully Ebs going to look at 6 mil when the cap is approaching 80mill in 3-4 years?

      I dont fully put the blame on yourself however for this assinine opinion. Years of bad management and losing clouds people judgement.

      • Serious Gord

        Let me clarify a bit. As the team is currently constituted there is almost no chance they will finish out of the bottom five. It would be more likely that they finish worse (30th) than they are now as buffalo seems to be getting a bit better and is playing most of its games against the east whereas EDM will be getting its teeth kicked in most games against the western powerhouses.

        Thus making significant additions – improvements – is pointless and risky. Better to stand pat and see what the current group can do and not give Eakins any excuse to avoid being fired for continued incompetency.

        • Spydyr

          Have you looked at Edms record in their last 20? Dont kid yourself the preperations for next year begin now! Not at the draft or the trade deadline. Losing is never an option. I am impressed what ive seen from our top players in the past 10 games ( other than st louis of course). So these guys should be playing pissed off and carry that over to training camp. Not recieving the message from management or the fans that losing is the goal in order to get a “potential” difference maker via a top 5 pick. Give your head a shake!!!!

          • A-Mc

            You’re blurring the lines between the different perspectives on the team.

            From the Players perspective, you’re right, losing CAN’T be the mandate. But from the GM’s perspective (Serious Gord’s position) getting the highest draft pick possible is best if you’re going to suck anyway.

            You’re using insulting words by calling him a complete idiot and then you’re arguing a position that is from a perspective NOT related to personnel acquisition.

            The Subject matter of the original article suggests that we are to put our GM thinking caps on so please drop the crap about player mentality.

          • Spydyr

            If you.are a gm whos team has finished in the bottom of the standings 5years running and your still.saying we should lose more and more and more that is what constitutes a complete idiot.

            Arent you sick of losing?

          • OnlyOil

            Harry I totally agree with you, losing is not an option for this team. Losing the loser mentality has got to be the only way from here on out. If the players refuse to buy in to the team systems on how MacT and Eakins want this team to play…then move them out. In case nobody has noticed river hockey, free wheeling, defensively irresponsible hockey is for losers, this team doesn’t have the talent of the 80’s Oilers did, they must be defensively responsible. Taylor Hall is a champion and he will not tolerate this losing BS

    • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

      I think MacT is prepared to overpay and I don’t think he thinks he can afford to let any opportunity go untapped…..I believe he will be in the thick of things at the deadline in both directions….moving players out and moving players in……of course many other teams will be trying to outbid him…we’ll see if the prep work he’s doing now pays off or not.

      It’s almost certain that the majority of Oilers fans will not be happy with the overpays….but it will take an overpay to make anything significant happen in our favour.

  • The Soup Fascist

    U can’t trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it’s a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.

        • PutzStew

          No it doesn’t.

          This is what you wrote…
          “U can’t trade Nug or hall. If we have a chance to draft Ekblad it’s a no brainier. The kid is a stud. Imagine having weber, nurse, Ekblad, Schultz, petry, ?. Much improved D.”

          You did not state you where going to get Webber. You mentioned drafting Ekblad, but nothing about Webber. He just magically appeared there.

          That why it makes no sense…not to mention a pipe dream.

  • Spydyr

    Offer sheet Subban and surrender 4 1st round picks.

    I mean, what are the chances that the Oilers finish out of the playoffs next year and win the Connor McDavid sweepstakes?!?!?

  • Stack Pad Save

    There already is an ugly hole at 2nd line centre in the Oilers Organization. There has been a hole in that position since Mark Messier left the organization.

    But Oilers management in their infinite wisdom don’t recognize or can’t fill the 3 holes they have had for the last 10 years. No top defenseman (except when Pronger was around), No size with skill upfront and no second line centre.

    I wish this Bold move would hurry up and already happen.

  • Stack Pad Save

    I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him. The simple fact is that Mac will need to cough something up to get a good player and considering whats in the pipe on Defense I would imagine Klefbom or Gernat would be the likely moves out but Klefbom has more value. I would vote for a Dustin Byfuglien trade as I think he brings a lot of things this team needs including some attitude, he has a Cup under his belt and is still 28. His conditioning might be an issue but I’m sure Eakins can take care of that.

    So JW what do you think it would take in a trade the get Dustin Byfuglien?

      • John Chambers

        Byfuglien is the guy I would target instead of Ehrhoff because he has both offensive abilities as well as size and nastiness that this team hasn’t had since Souray.

        Although Ehrhoff’s contract is a bargain, and worth trading for in and of itself.

        • The Soup Fascist

          With the new liberal cannabis laws in Colorado which came into effect January 1st, expect ‘ol Dusty to end up with the Avs in the not too distant future.

          Byfuglien’s list of teams in a limited NTC: Colorado Avs, Seattle (upon being granted a expansion team) and Jamaica.

      • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

        I would take Byfuglien in a heartbeat……but I don’t think he’s what the Oilers mgt is looking for….too tough, too much of a rebel for their tastes and eats too many doughnuts…….for Oilers mgt it’s Penner and Souray all over again….and they don’t like, and can’t seem to manage,outspoken players who go against the grain……unfortunately …

  • Spydyr

    Webber would be nice to add to our team but come on people check out Nashville? Last time I checked the standings having Webber on their team has not really done much for their team.

    I would say that within a year Seth Jones will be the talk of the town there and Webber a aging talent. I for one would not give up what will be demanded for Webber and I would be more inclined to find a a defensive/shutdown hard hitting defenceman. This is what we need and IMHO, webber is a little over rated at this juncture of his career.

    Mac T has some difficult decisions to make but giving up a shot at a player like Ekblad is nothing short of myopic madness!! Maybe trade Oscar Klefblom for another first round draft pick, so that we have some chips to use for the upcoming draft?

    I think in short order Mac T will need to concentrate his energies on finding another goaltender and coach.

  • The Soup Fascist

    “…. an Edmonton team leaning on the trio of Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference and Justin Schultz”.

    With these three guys chomping up the tough minutes as effortlessly as they are, it is easy to see why Smid was expendable ….

    The Oilers are at least two QUALITY defensemen away from being adequate. If a borderline #1 like Dion Phaneuf costs $49 million a year over 7 years ….. what is a free agent going to cost this summer – assuming you can convince an impact guy to sign here? A big trade with one of the kids or waiting and hoping for a Nurse, Klefbom et al to become serviceable appear to be the only options. Neither option (trading a kid / waiting) is particularly attractive.

  • @ Jonathan Willis – Rushing a deal with any of the young d-men right now would be a mistake. The Oilers are dealing from a serious position of weakness. Klefbom’s value is likely at its lowest – if they were going to deal him it should have been at the beginning of last season (pre-injury) when every team was high on him. Now that his warts are showing as he learns the North American game, and coming off an injury, his value is diminished. They need to let him correct them in OKC and make up for the development season he lost before looking at dealing him IMHO.

    Besides, a #1 d-man will not fix a roster with this many holes. It will take at least two seasons to do that.

    Right now the smarter approach would be to let Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat et. al develop further before dealing them. This team lacks NHL calibre blueline depth, and the only way to get that cost effectively is to draft and develop. Where did pairings like Weber and Suter or Seabrook and Keith come from? Drafting and developing. The problem is that it takes time to do so. Fans need to accept that the supporting player cupboard was so bare due to inept drafting/development and/or letting valuable NHLers go due to GM/coaches’ favoritism (how would Greene, Brodziak, Cogliano, etc. look on the team now?).

    As I have been saying since the deal was done, wasting the one young forward with size and value at the end of last year in a deal for Perron instead of for a #1 or #2 d-man was a mistake. Regardless of how many points Perron scores against weak competition (notice how he does not do as well against bigger teams?), he does not improve the team anywhere near as much as a #1 or #2 d-man would have. The fact that MacT wasted the one expendable young forward with value at the end of the season speaks volumes about his ability to identify and address needs as a GM, as well as assess and value talent (the overpays for Ference and Gagner being exhibits B and C).

    • A-Mc

      Sorry, you weren’t going to get a #1/2 Dman for Magnus PRV.

      If anyone was given the option of trading PRV for a #1/2 Dman OR Perron, it’s a no brainer to take the Dman. That option wasn’t presented because there’s no way PRV was part of a trade for that calibre of player.

      Perron was a steal and we were lucky to get that. The only reason we did was because of STL’s money situation.

      • 15w40

        Sorry if it sounded that way, but I did not mean to insinuate that MPS would get us a #1/#2. He is worth a #5 at best alone. No one is giving us a #1 unless Hall, Ebs or Nuge are in the mix.

        What I was trying to say is that he was a an expendable asset and trading chip of value that could have been used in a package to land one. Instead, MacT wasted one of the few tradeable assets with value that he had for a player that does not noticeably improve the team.

        Perron can score and plays with a bit of an edge (he picks his spots), but his skill set is redundant. As a second line forward his ability to make the team better is limited (his defensive lapses are common as well which is why Hitchcock was eager to deal him), but a true #2 d-man, let alone a #1, would have. Now, if MacT had sweetened the pot with MPS + pick (2nd or 3rd round)/prospect and taken a top 4 d-man in return from St. Louis then it would have been a good trade.

        Building a team means filling all the holes in your roster, not just trading for the BPA with a redundant skill set. MacT won the Perron for MPS trade in the short term, but it did not improve the team as much as #2 d-man would have. Maybe he can package Perron + young gun + pick(s)/prospect(s) into a #1 or #2, but if not then it was a waste of an asset (just like Smid for a 6th round pick to clear phantom cap space…….).

  • Spydyr

    The quote regarding Sather hiring someone out of prison is the most discusting piece I have read on this site. Bringing up a regrettable incident from over thirty years ago is classless and ignorant. This should not exemplifily an Oiler fan #57 please go cheer for Calgary.

    • Serious Gord

      Why is it disgusting? It is 100% true. And it is a credit to both Sather and MacT what happened because Sather took a chance and MacT made the most of it – the number of people who are convicted and jailed for vehicular homicide and actually make something of their lives is very very few.

    • Spydyr

      Some people cannot handle the truth.

      Why would the truth be classless and ignorant?

      It happened a human being sadly lost their life.Putting your head in the sand and ignoring it will not change that fact.Pretending it did not happen does not mean that it did not happen.

  • Oilers4Ever

    How about giving Klefbom a chance on the team before packaging him up in a trade? What if he suprises everyone and ends up being a top pairing D man that we so desperately need? Give your head a shake Willis!

  • If I’m MacTavish Weber is really the only player I move at.

    Weber instantly makes the defence better as a group & the Oilers players better. I doubt Campbell or Ehrhof would have the same effect overall on a team.

    Both Ehrhof & Campbell are ultra butter soft payers who on good teams are 2-3 D-players much like Campbell in Chicago & Ehrhof in Vancouver, this doesn’t help the Oilers.

    The Oilers need to get bigger, meaner & better.

    The Oilers need Weber almost as much for an identity as they need him to anchor a brutal defence & play 27 a night.

    The other is term, whether you hate it or not Weber is locked up for a long time, his salary in three years won’t look as bad as it does to some people now.

    To me getting any other defensemen is just getting more of the same.

    It’s the intangible’s that Weber brings that very few other can match, the respect he is given on the PP open up plays all over the ice. His aggressive play in the front is exactly what this team lacks, his PK work & ability to shut other teams top players down on a poor team.

    I hate to speculate what it would take to get Weber, it might be high? It might be right down the Pronger type deal?

    One thing is for certain, with J.Schultz you don’t need another Ehrhof or Campbell

  • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

    The reason I find spyors quote discusting has nothing to do with whether it is true or not. It really has nothing to do with hockey. It is a cowardly comment hiding behind a pen name. I would let you wouldn’t,t say that to MacT,s face

    • Spydyr

      First off look up how to copy and paste.That way you can spell peoples handles properly.

      Second off you know nothing about me.

      Third off the comment was brought up in context to Sather taking chances on reclamation projects.That has to do with hockey.

      Finally your quote “I would let you wouldn’t,t say that to MacT,s face”

      I believe you mean I bet you wouldn’t say that to Mac-T’s face.

      I would not unless it came up in the conversation.Say like talking about second chances.One would hope he wishes he could change that day and thinks about it often.

  • vetinari

    I get real scared when I think of Oiler trades.You know Lowe Katz and probably Katz’s son have final say. I would like something better than Campbell or Erhoff. If you are going to trade a dman with lots of upside such as Klefbom make it a blockbuster ,Klefbom our first and possibly Eberle, that would be very very bold.Nobody else on our 2nd 3rd or 4th lines have any real cache.

  • There are 2 gaping and critical holes to fill with the Oilers line up. The first is a top pairing D man and the second is a 2C. As many have said, filling the top pairing D man is very challenging and would be at a premium cost wise. Perhaps the first step should be to explore a trade for a 2C such as O’Rielly from the Avs. Given the acrimony generated last year perhaps he could be available. This might be achieved using assets such as Gagner, Hemsky, Jones, Klefbom, Marincin and our 2015 first rounder to acquire a proven upgrade on the D. The Oilerws would then still have their 2014 top 5 lottery pick to fill either the 2C hole or combine it with Eberle or Yakupov to obtain that coveted top pairing D man. In any event, this coming trade deadline and the 2014 draft will be key to the Oilers and MacT’s future. I wish them both every success.

    • PutzStew

      What is wrong with you people?????

      Why would Colorado trade O’Reilly for anything with Hemsky, Gagner or Jones???

      Do you really think that Colorado couldn’t find a better deal then anything with one of those player in it?

      Have you looked at Colorado’s center depth??? They have to gray Centers already. Hemsky and Jones are UFA’s so why would they want to trade them.

      Seriously what are you people drinking???

      • Spydyr

        O’Reilly might be available given his insane contract. To qualify him, you need to offer him more money than what he’s making this year, which is like $6 million or something. If the Avs don’t qualify him, he becomes an UFA. Maybe they move MacKinnon to centre to replace O’Reilly. Maybe Gagner is a good winger to play in their top 6.

  • A-Mc

    I wonder what de Coyotes would want for Yandle? or Sammuelson? Would something like Snowpants plus Yak going to Arizona for Yandle, Murphy and Sammuelson work?

        • Spydyr

          Unless you are getting a fabulous return I would not move Yak yet. He is just a kid he needs time and a coach too teach him the pro game.His whole life he owned the puck and never had to worry about defence.

          Too bad he held the KHL over the teams head last year. A year more in junior then some time in the AHL learning the pro game would have been better for him.

          • A-Mc

            Please give examples of 1st overalls who went back to junior?

            Mike Modano 23 years ago is the last example.

            As for Yak playing in the KHL please explain how that was holding anything above anyone’s head. The kid went to his home town to play. To play the Pro game.

          • Spydyr

            Yak said he would not report back to junior if he was not playing here he was going to the KHL.

            You don’t think Yak could of used some time learning the pro game?One more year of junior then the AHL would of helped with that.

            It sure hurt Modano eh.If he needed seasoning he needed seasoning does not matter where he was drafted.

          • Spydyr

            Sometimes you gotta just accept the Ovechkins of the world. He’s not gonna be a strong 2way player. All were doing is lowering his value, taking away his passion and turning this into a soap opera.

          • Oilers4Ever

            Yak has told us what his game and that is the root of the problem. He has stated his game is no checking just shooting. Hopefully this year will be a learning experience for him and the Oil will have an NHL caliber player in a year or two.

          • PutzStew

            Hmm…OK… I accept your challenge.
            I went as far back to 1980, because before that, the WHA and NHL were in such a battle for underage players that there were 18-year-olds playing professional hockey everywhere from Birmingham, Alabama to Edmonton, Ala-berta.

            Admittedly, not all of these are “pure” examples, but that’s only because not everyone who was drafted No. 1 overall came from a Canadian junior team (and, thus, had different rules apply to them in terms of being sent down to the AHL).

            So, here we go…

            – JOE MURPHY (1986) played five games in his rookie season and 71 in the minors with Adirondack (1986-87). Yes, I know, that’s not “junior,” it’s minor pro. But Murphy was a college kid and he could be sent down to the minors.

            – MATS SUNDIN (1989) didn’t make his debut until the fall of 1990. He stayed in Sweden for one more year after his draft year. Again, I know that’s not “junior,” but the point is, he didn’t make the big club straight off his draft year (1989) and did a developmental year back with his drafted team.

            – ERIC LINDROS (1991), as we all remember, didn’t make his debut until a year after his draft year. In 1991-92, he played with his junior team in Oshawa, the Canadian national team (this was back when there was one), the Olympic team and the world junior team. Of course, he wasn’t “sent” down. He held out for a trade because that’s what Bonnie and Carl told him to do. But he actually got a pretty decent developmental year in junior and international hockey after he went first overall and before he turned pro.

            – ED JOVANOWSKI (1994) went back to the Windsor Spitfires for another year (1994-95, which was a lockout half-year).

            – BRYAN BERARD (1995), was sent back to junior after his draft year … which was a small miracle, given that, on the draft floor, he was traded to the Islanders, who traditionally rush picks to the NHL.

            – CHRIS PHILLIPS (1996) played another full season in the WHL – in fact, he was traded from Prince Albert to Lethbridge about halfway through it.

            – RICK DIPIETRO (2000) played 14 games in the minors in his rookie year, 59 in his second year, and 34 in his third year. Just like Joe Murphy, they could send him to the minors because he was a college kid, not a junior player.

            – MARC-ANDRE FLEURY (2003) played 10 games in Cape Breton during his rookie year.

            – ALEX OVECHKIN. Oveckin played in Russia for another year. OK, it was the lockout year (2004-05), but again, another case of a buffer year between his draft and his pro year.

            – ERIK JOHNSON (2006) played his freshman year at the U of Minnesota after he was drafted from the U.S. Under-18 national development team.

  • 15w40

    Eberle & the 2014 1st should be enough to get the conversation started on Weber. Right now I don’t think there is any urgency to get anything done before the draft – the playoffs are gone.

    I still believe the preference is to try and get Yakupov to play good hockey and trade him not Eberle.

    Nashville may not want to go down that road with a Russian player again though. Weber is a long shot to complete a transaction I think but I think Poile would listen.

    • Spydyr

      You do understand if they let Weber go to Philadelphia the would have received four first-round draft picks. They also payed Weber many millions in bonus.

      Now even if they wanted to trade him after all that the Oilers would be bidding against every other team for his services.

      Eberle & the 2014 1st would get the phone hung up on you.

  • PutzStew

    Stupidest proposed trade EVER!! That’s why it will likely happen. If any other NHL team owned Klefbom it would not even be considered. This disfunctional and incompetent management are just liiable to do it.

  • Ryan Smyth's Old Wooden Stick

    Since we’re throwing around trade ideas, this one just may be crazy enough to work! Call up Glen Sather and send him Gagner along with a DVD of his 8 point game, Nick Schultz and one of our prospects and we get back Brad Richards and one of their young defenseman (DelZotto maybe). We keep half of Gagner’s and Schultz’s salary this year, the Rangers keep half of Richard’s this year.

    Rangers need cap space this year and going forward, get a 2C back, a UFA defenseman to replace who they traded and a prospect to even things out. We get a good defensive centre to teach the kids the 200 foot game that has some offense, an upgrade on defense moving the puck and take some salary cap crunch off the Rangers and save them a buyout.

    Thoughts?

  • oilerjed

    @JW,
    My question for a big trade to happen is WHEN? Ive said it before and Ill say it again, sooner is better if this team wants to gain some momentum to start next season. I hate the thought of another summer of a few tweaks and then letting it roll. Why not get it started today, most teams we are talking about already know the score on these players too.

    In your opinion is MacT working it now or is he bidng his time until the trade deadline and draft. I hope not.

    • A-Mc

      I would really like to see Klefbom play for a couple years before he gets traded away. Based on MacT’s comments, it sounded like Klefbom was going to make the team sometime THIS year; which obviously hasn’t happened.

      I suppose the ultimate goal is a major D addition and if Klefbom has to be a piece of the trade, then so be it. But imo, he doesnt get moved unless it’s part of a package trade that has a significant piece coming the other way.

      No Klefbom for Horak + Goalie prospects, please…

      PS: Not sure why it says i replied to you OilerJed. I didn’t mean to!

    • Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

      There have been reports from credible sources that MacT and his team have been communicating with pretty much every team in the league for many weeks now. On the one hand they should be prepared for the deadline. On the other hand, GMs in today’s league seem to like the confidence they get by waiting for the deadline. They get to see what market value looks like….they get to peruse the players they want in order of priority, they get to save a few bucks in salary by not buying until the last minute, etc…..and the sellers perceive their leverage to be highest right at the deadline…..so lots of forces at play to make an early trade less likely.

  • A-Mc

    A major deal for a top defenseman would, I think, be more likely in the summer.

    The package we received for Pronger was a skill player, a first round pick and a defensive prospect. A package of Eberle, 2014 1st(top 5), and Klefbom is a superior mix and could, maybe, be enough to get Nashville intrigued.

    For a lesser D such as Ehrhoff I imagine a team like Buffalo would like a prospect the caliber of Klefbom and may be happy to dump that contract and trade straight across. I’m not sure that we have the right pieces to include in such a deal.

    JW, do you think the oilers have the necessary assets to gain an Ehrhoff caliber defenseman without over paying?

  • oilerjed

    @JW Or anyone who knows

    What is the deal with Yakimov? Is he legit and how far away is he from the nhl? Looks like an excellent candidate for 2C to me, without even having to give up anyone that could be used for a Dman.

  • A-Mc

    I think I would need to know what the 1st round pick is before I deal it, meaning nothing will happen until the summer. If the pick is top 2 (Reinhart or Ekblad), the pick should be off the table. And no way you give up a shot at Connor McDavid next year.

  • oilerjed

    Oh thank goodness Putz, another voice of reason! (And I mean that, no sarcasm).

    Oiler fans tend to forget that there are going to be a bunch of other teams in play for any players that provide actual skill and value. Why fans here seem to think that Gagner for anyone other than perhaps a prospect is going to happen is beyond me.

    The Oilers need serious, veteran, immediate help. And you aren’t going to get the kind of help you need without giving up some serious skill in return. Frankly, I see two options.

    1. Give up a Yak, Gagner, Hemmer, Schultz, maybe the pick, and piece-meal approach to fix all the glaring holes in the organization, one trade at a time.

    2. Bite the bullet, put Hall or RNH, plus the pick (or similar) on the line, and go after a team that can provide pieces to fix quite a few of the holes at once–i.e. a dman, a gritty BUT ALSO SKILLED veteran forward, and a goalie.

    I’m in favor of #2, because at least you’d get it all done at once, rather than thinking “oh sure, we fixed one hole, we’re done now, right?”

  • DoubleJ

    If Weber were to really be available, no way the Oilers land him for anything short of Hall/RNH. Never going to happen–there are enough teams in the league that would want him, that we’d have to pay/offer top dollar/value for him. Teams aren’t going to be interested in our prospects and our busted-prospects for a dman like Weber–pipe dream.

    I wish it wasn’t the case, but there’s no way to fix this besides 1) a painful, blockbuster trade of RNH or Hall, etc., or 2) a lot more time/patience. And sadly, the Oiler nation doesn’t have the stomach for another 4 years of finishing last in the league, which is what option 2 sets up

  • paul wodehouse

    its like the phil colins song throwin it all away, just start getting the team close to respectability and everybody wants to throw it all away!! go figure