DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS… ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

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He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn’t that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won’t like Hendricks’ contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won’t look as bad as it does today. He doesn’t bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

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So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd…

Thoughts?


  • O.C.

    Two groups of people.

    1) Those who are for/against the trades.

    2) Those who are happy/ticked about the management decisions leading up to the trade.

    Me…

    1) Ambivalent on trades. Some good with a potential downside. Change was needed but at what cost?

    2) This is the same management team that wanted to overpay for the same person they traded a 3rd rounder for.

    This is the same management team that wanted to overpay for Dany Heatley, Thomas Vanek, and David Clarkson.

    What is hard to grasp here?

  • Bryzarro World

    Did some reading and took a second look at trade.

    It blowes!

    I thought MacT was a goof for taking back some of Dub’s salary but it really blowes now. An overpaid 4th line guy that is on the decline and wasn’t too hot to begin with and a bad contract. BOLD you goof. Should have played with a helmet.

    Go to Europe next year and find a mean mofo to plug that spot or even a homegrown plug but to pay almost 2 mil for this? JOKE

  • Reg Dunlop

    Dubnyk for Mike Brown. That’s a great trade, we have been needing a guy like that since we traded Mike Brown for a bag of pucks… Wait a minute. Bold moves, maybe we can find a decent #6 d man that blocks shots and knows how to ring a puck off the glass. S-M-I-D If management thinks that guys like Hendrix or Scrivens will get us out of the cellar they are dreaming. Rubber Boots for Mayor. Just like in the business world, if you can’t fire a problem you move them up.

        • Zarny

          No, of course the players they got are not pointless.

          Hendricks will hopefully be a better 4th liner and PK than what they currently have.

          Scrivens might not be the answer to win the Cup; but if he can simply not let in easy goals from the blueline in a tie game with 5 min left he’s better than Dubnyk and Bryz.

          Trades aren’t a zero sum game. It isn’t all win or all lose.

          The fact a trade for a #1 D would certainly help the Oilers out more doesn’t make trades like these pointless. That’s just lazy thinking.

  • Spydyr

    I’d say these were not that bad of trades. I’m not saying they are great, but they aren’t Tambo-esque deals.

    The problem is, we stink so bad right now that today’s trades were the most exciting thing for the team since game 10 when we realized that we were going to be god awful again.

    I guess I don’t really care who we trade now… just keep this train in motion so I have something fun to talk about with respect to this team again haha.

    Other than that… I wonder who we’ll get for the 1st overall pick this year?

  • oildawg99

    I don’t really have a problem with any of the player personnel moves that Mac T has made to this point. He is actually doing a fine job thus far if you look at it with a clear head. Do I wish we could land a big #1 d-man, of course. However, I also understand those deals are nearly impossible to make.

    Personally I think the biggest mistake made by Mac T has been hiring Eakins and not giving Kruger a fair shot. Eakins so emotionless its not even funny yet that exactly what the team is lacking and frustrates me as a fan. Attitude reflects leadership and Eakins has yet to deliver. i sure hope he can.

  • Chris.

    If Hendricks can come in and make any kind of contribution its a win.
    Dubnyk was a #1 by default, he’s a #3 on any team with reasonable depth. Any return for a #3 ufa is a plus. No team planning on making a playoff push is giving any kind of an asset at the deadline to rely on Dubnyk if their starter goes down and what team that will be on a run doesnt already have a better backup than him already. He likeley wasn’t going to re-sign hear anyways, a gamble on Hendricks is better than nothing.
    If Scrievens can come in and be a resonable backup a 3rd for him is a steal based on what the return for a 3rd has landed recently (Fistric,Smithson). If he’s an average starter its a steal. if he can be a solid #1 who can steal a few games its a cam neely/allan peterson sized fleecing.

  • Zarny

    If BS comes in and does not play well or is an improvement over Dubey …….I’m looking squarely at Eakins.

    If Hendricks is not an improvement over Lander……..I’m looking squarely at Eakins.

    We have been led down the garden path by Oilers Management as the players being the problem, ( OK I will buy some of that) but I suspect coaching has something to do with the current state of affairs.

    • Zarny

      Yeesh, we get it. You hate Eakins.

      No doubt if the guy running the hot dog stand accidentally tears the bun you’d blame that on Eakins too.

      Have you ever actually played hockey?

  • Bucknuck

    For a third round pick I would go after Sean Burke or Nashville’s goaltending coach. We have had a number of promising goalies fizzle in town and it continues with DD. It was time for him to get a new team, but was he given proper coaching.

    I know not everything can be blamed on coaching, but it sure seems that Stu takes a beating for not drafting better. Maybe the problem isn’t the kid drafted at 18 its the man at 23 that the team develops.

  • Zarny

    Yes…trading away the third wound pick doesn’t seem so bad…but the pick is essentially a late second round pick with the Oilers battling for the lotto picks once again.

    Don’t see how either of these moves make the Oilers any better or move them any closer to playoff contention in the future.

  • S cottV

    Hate to give up on Dubnyk, but while we are probably the worst team at supporting goaltenders – Dubie should have stopped a few more pucks.

    If Brys – bolts and Scrivens has a hard time playing goal with little to no support, I suppose we could always make a UFA offer to get Dubnyk back – at least as a backup.

    My prediction is that we are about to find out the Dubnyk wasn’t near as bad as a lot of people think. He will play well in Nashville and Scrivens will look very average in our system.

    Don’t mind this Hendricks guy. A veteran that looks to have good size and presence in the middle. Wins faceoffs, kills penalties, can fight. If he is good in his own zone, to help out our struggling d vs low threats – it’s a definate upgrade in 4C.

    If RNH puts on 15 lbs of muscle and MacT can hit a home run on a Benn-like 2C, we would be reasonably set in the middle – with Gordon and Hendricks rounding things out.

  • Chris.

    Five hours ago the Oilers had one less bad contract, a high third round pick, and a different unproven UFA goaltender.

    This may be the most expensive audition ever… I sure hope Scrivens works out.

      • 2004Z06

        So you are saying 3.5 mil/yr for a .894 sv% goalie is a good contract?

        They swapped bad contracts and are auditioning a high level goalie prospect for around 300k.

        • Truth

          My mortgage is payable at $10,000/yr with 15 years remaining until the house is paid off. Your mortgage is for $18,000/yr on it’s last year until the house is paid off

          If you pay half of your mortgage this year I will swap mortgage payments with you until our houses are paid off. Deal?

          • bleedingoil

            not a good comparison, really. I cant even begin to type out something reasonable for you here. one contract has 3 years remaining, and the other has 6 months. In 6 months, we lose the contract for NOTHING! Hendricks is a brick sh**house who has been in the playoffs in every year he is considered an NHL regular. His +/- has never been worse than -6 and is a penalty killer. He can play wing or center. In a world where the salary cap is going way up, we won the deal fair and square. No question about it.

        • Spydyr

          Not at all. I never liked Dubnyk liked that contract less.

          The thing is why pick up another bad contract .One for three more years.

          They could of waived him or traded him for a better contract.

          Don’t forget the Oilers are also paying half of Dubnyk’s contract.

          I’m looking at both deals as one deal as they had to move Dubnyk to pick up Scrivens .

          • 2004Z06

            Bottom line is we can all be armchair GM’s, but we don’t have a clue what the market is out there right now or what offers were discussed/weighed.

            Yes the oilers are paying half of Dubnyk’s contract which I believe is around 650k. (I am sure Pkam will correct me….)

            All in all, if Hendricks helps and Scrivens plays well and re-signs, we will all look back at this day as a win.

            We can go back and forth all day debating the moves, but we just don’t know how it will pan out.

            For all we know these were precursors to other moves yet to come?

          • This says to me the team REALLY wants a quality goalie and think that Scrivens might fit the bill. If they wait until the summer they’re on the same playing field as every other team who needs a #1. This way they get to test drive him for the last part of the season to see if he’s the real deal, and be at the front of the line to make an offer/have more time to make their case.

            Sure it’s a gamble but you can’t expect to change your situation doing the same things you’ve done in the past. Some might call this a gutsy move. Maybe even BOLD.

            If you ask me MacT really nutted up this time.

      • Chris.

        Poor pro scouting and cap management will apparently continue under the MacT regime. Matthew Barnaby said via twitter that MacTavish had offered Hendricks even MORE money last summer but Hendricks felt Nashville would be a better fit.

        The crew at Kingsway may actually consider the first move a hockey trade. *facepalm*

        • Spydyr

          So they tried to pay him more money and he still would not come here.

          Then they trade for him, that will make him want to come here.

          Don’t they think these things through?

    • You’re absolutely right. People don’t realize that in a salary cap system players can have a negative value. Players who are overpaid compared to the skills they bring are negative assets, especially when they are aging. Guys like Redden when he was buried on the farm. Way too much money for his play. It doesn’t mean wasn’t an NHL player, but his insane contract gave him negative value and that’s how the team dealt with it.

      I’m not incredibly familiar with Hendricks, but at quick glance, it looks like he has this negative value. Dubnyk had no value because at the end of the season, the contract was done and the Oilers could walk away. Rather than letting him walk, they took on a negative asset.

      Acquiring these guys is like taking on debt and we all know the Oilers don’t need that.

  • Zarny

    Relax everyone….Hendricks is the defensive forward the Oilers need to overpay for…

    Him and Boyd Gordon are re-united… we just need David Steckel and we got Washington’s old 4th line.

    Some of the comments on here are blasting this guy for his offensive stats… i don’t think he’s expected to put up numbers…

    He was a shutdown guy that won faceoffs and played gritty for Washington in 2011 and 2012.

    I think we will see an improvement on the PK and faceoffs with this guy.

    Mac-T will make another move (likely Hemsky at deadline) for a 3rd pick…Likely Nashville’s as they are still looking for offense.

    • Extraskater.com

      He’s not a shut down guy, The way the Oilers need him to be, he’s on the wrong side in most categories you want a shut down guy to be.

      Again, he takes as many faceoffs as Kanopka does, he’s primarily a winger, so don’t expect long term improvement.

      Tougher 4th line yes. Better, nope.

      • Randaman

        Did you ever think that maybe Nashville didn’t want to deal Kanopka? Easy to criticize from the couch though. I do it too. Give the man a chance at least

        • Ok, so this is where your credibility takes a bit of a hit, Kanopka was with the Wild & waived by them, which means had MacTavish picked up a phone he could have had the same player at less dollars and less term.

          The first team got him from the waiver wire which was Buff.

          Good.

  • PimKing

    holy wow would you look at that?!? at the very least someone is trying to win, wish the group on the ice ( you specifically worst DEFENCEMEN ever) would try the same.

    i find myself watching most games saying to myself ” just play your own damn position” these dmen just go where ever the hell they want and then when they get scored on you can almost see it in their faces… o ya, riiiight F*ck meeee. and then they press repeat. in my day if my d partner was all over my side i would use my words and communicate to him to piss off and worry about your sh*t the rest will take care of itself.

    so, in conclusion, i like the trades, just hope a new dman is on the way as well, maybe one with 50..4..ok 300 games played.

    everyday im byfuglien….

    • bwar

      Right…Byfuglien makes perfect sense here. He’s horrible on D and comes in outa shape…it’s perfect for him here…since there’s no accountability. Same reason Hall has higher numbers…he can take all the risks he wants and not be held accountable.

      • 24% body fat

        Eakins wouldn’t want this trade unless he felt he could improve buffs fitness. He has been ok defensively before so if the deal happens than I have faith that they feel they can resurrect him.

        Probably have to overpay to get him. I would like wheeler and Ladd instead.

  • Zarny

    It’s hard not to like this or any kind of movement considering the season the Oilers are having. With any luck they can either resign Bryz short term and have a decent 1 – 2 with the hope that Scrivens can be the number 1 guy. Or we can trade Bryz before the deadline for something.

    I would like to see Mac T finally make good on his bold move promise and make a hockey trade. One of the wonder kids for some serious D. Getting that number 1 or top 2 guy could completely alter the look of our D core and I think we have enough fire power up front still that with some better defence the Oilers could win some games.

    Now with both Gordon and Hendricks, our Pk and bottom 6 should be better defensively.

    Using one of Klefbomb, Nurse, or Marincin, I think Mac T could eventually get a big gritter winger that can play with skill, or maybe even an upgrade on our number 2 centre. That’s how I would go about improving the Oilers from here on out.

  • DD was a UFA too so they aren’t worse off in that regard. Henricks can be bought out in the summer if they feel they don’t want the contract and likely couldn’t have traded DD without taking the ugly contract back. Every team has an overpay or two somewhere – if $500K on Henricks is it in a market where the cap is going up, so be it. Giving the squad a tough, gritty veteran to test drive who comes from a winning org (the Caps) for 40 games was badly needed. Yes he’s 32, but there aren’t a lot of NHL miles on him.

    Don’t forget they will be unloading remaining UFAs to restock the picks come the deadline.

  • D'oh-ilers

    Individually, neither move is thrilling, but once the other pieces start to fall into place, they should be valuable pieces to the puzzle. Hendricks contract is a bit rich, but he was heavily pursued by several teams in the offseason, so he obviously does something right.

  • gus1000

    I’m afraid the second coming of Terry Sawchuk, Patrick Roy, Martin Brodeur, insert name here is not going to help this defense core. Any goalie we put into this current group is set up for failure.

    If Scrivens doesn’t stand on his head,he gets bashed and trashed, leaves town since we are a career graveyard for goalies who stick around, and we lost a 3rd round pick.

    I agree Dubnyk had to go, but fire him to the minors, bring up Bachman, let his contract end,and call it a day, instead of bringing in a very expensive fourth liner. One who we get to pay for another 3 years. Unless they plan on using their last compliance buyout on him, which isn’t great either, it seems like a backwards move in the salary department. In a year or two we have potential to spend larger dollars on guys like Yakupov and Schultz, not to mention shoring up the defense and the bottom two lines. Dollars will be required before Hendricks contract end.

  • reaperfunkss

    It will be interesting to see the take on today’s moves by the Edmonton sports media. The guys who have been preaching patience all year. MacT has clearly stated he has no more patience for Dubby of Ladner.

  • S cottV

    It will be interesting to see Scrivens numbers with the Oilers as compared to the Kings.

    Going from maybe the best team to the worst team – at supporting their respective goaltenders.

    It will show….

  • Spydyr

    Hendrik’s contract isn’t ideal but if he can anchor a solid fourth line and bring us some much needed grit then I’m not complaining. Dubnyk was done in Edmonton and keeping some of his salary doesn’t hurt since his contract is up at the end of the season anyways. Scriven is worth taking a shot at. Bryzgalov hasn’t exactly guaranteed a spot in Edmonton next season so hopefully Scrivens can come in and play well.

  • Serious Gord

    Both moves on terms of return are minor relative to the big picture especially going forward after this season: a fourth line center for 1.85 million – and an aging one at that. Does his being a native of spruce grove have something to do with it? Is this another case of homerism?

    Scrivens when in front of a crap defense like torontos had about a .910 s % – not much different than dubnyk. And how many games is he going to play? 15? This season. Hardly a consequential acquisition.

    But what the oil traded is a yet another black mark on the organization and MacT:

    Dubnyk was a big project for the oil that has failed utterly. In the end MacT had to bribe another team to take him off their hands. Dubnyk had such a stench on him that MacT spent millions – in paying half his salary and taking on a grossly overpaid Hendricks (three years of a roster spot lost too) to get rid of him for another 15 games this year. MacT/Klowe were told by many over the last few years that DD wasn’t the answer yet they stuck with him – passing over other outside proven goalies (Niemi for one) clinging to the Dd dream. Even when MacT publically admitted that they needed to get a better goalie this off season he was content/too proud/too stubborn to not move him and instead take the team into this season with dd as his starter with – predictable to many – results. That was a HUGE mistake and it is 100% MacT/Klowes fault.

    Given paucity of actual results with these two moves besides the removal of an acute short-term pain (dubnyk) one wonders of these moves were made more for the benefit of the season ticket and advertising sales office than the on ice product.

    • Schrivens is from spruce grove, Hendricks is from minnesota. in fairness to mact he said Dubnyk wasnt the answer , remember “if you have to ask?” . First I heard that they passed over Niemi. He brought in Bryzgalov to replace him and moved him out in a little over a half a season in his first as gm which is hardly hanging onto the dream. Should he have been moved earlier?, in my opinion yes, was a better trade available earlier? We’ll never know, I would guess he would be a hard sell to hockey minds smarter than the people posting on here and the majority of us knew he wasnt a good option.

    • Zarny

      Good grief. MacT might have been a “consultant” but he certainly wasn’t making personnel decisions like whether or not to keep Dubnyk.

      That’s all on Tambellini.

        • Zarny

          No actually MacT did move Dubnyk…today. I guess double check the title of the article?

          Dubnyk had a 0.921 SV% on a 26th place team last year. That’s better than a lot of very good G.

          It was perfectly reasonable for MacT to give Dubnyk a shot this year whether you like it or not. When it wasn’t working MacT shipped out Labarbera and brought in Bryz.

          That hasn’t solved the problem so once again MacT moves on to see if another solution will work. I have no problem with that. Every GM will make mistakes. I like that MacT doesn’t hesitate to try to fix his mistakes.

          There is a mountain of cr*p you can dump on Tambo and Lowe; but not MacT. Not yet anyway.

  • Spydyr

    From an asset management viewpoint the Oilers traded a first round pick Dubnyk and the upcoming third round pick for Scrivens who was undrafted and Hendricks who was a fourth round pick.

    So a first and a third for a fourth.

    Good teams don’t make those kind of trades.

    • Spydyr

      I love how you keep quoting the picks as a measure of value. There have and will be good undrafted players. Hell, one of them played for the Oilers… Curtis Joseph!

        • 2004Z06

          I’m not using today’s deals as the basis but a first rounder who is a flop is worth more than an undrafted player who is actually playing well?!?

          Draft position is only a small part of a players value. Ethan Moreau was drafted 14th overall in the ’94 draft. Does that make him a better player than Petr Sykora who was taken 18th in the ’95 draft? Not really.

      • 2004Z06

        Just because the Oilers took Dubnyk in the first round doesn’t mean he should have gone in the 1st round. We all know how crappy the Oilers draft record was pre 2010.

        If (and it is only if) Scrivens turns out to be better than Dubnyk, will you still feel the same?

    • 50 in 39

      It is not a good situation and the Oilers are not a good team. But you have to grind when it come to the Oilers horrible goalie situation. There is no starter for next season and beyond. There is no reason to think the Oilers will be attracting a quality starting goaltender through free agency. Is Scrivens a legitimate starting goaltender? Would he sign here if he plays well and garners interest? Who knows but had something like this been done last year maybe we would have a Bishop or Bernier right now. It may turn out to be a waste but we won’t be drafting a starter for next season with a 3rd round pick.