DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS… ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn’t that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won’t like Hendricks’ contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won’t look as bad as it does today. He doesn’t bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd…

Thoughts?



  • Phuryous George

    Exciting stuff, but probably not the answer. It will be interesting to watch Dubnyk and Scrivens numbers, and see if Dubnyks goes up behind NSH d-corp, and Scrivens drop off with EDM’s d men playing above where they would on any other team.

    As for Hendricks, i’d rather over pay him than watch Lander play anymore NHL hockey here.

    MORE TRADES, MORE TRADES!!! WHEEE…..

  • Zarny

    A warm body an actual NHL player in exchange for Dubnyk? You gotta call this a win, Flubnyk has gotta be one of the worst positionally awkward big men in goal in the whole NHL. Going out and getting Scrivens right after is icing on that cake. Scrivens was obviously the odd man out with Jones strong play after Quicks injury. Not looking too bad considering how poor the goaltending was to start the year. Now onto some competent defensemen and this might start looking promising.

  • 24% body fat

    Trade does very little as D is still horrible, Forwards lack size. Scrivens’ body of work is much less than Dubnyk and he played for a good defensive team…Oiler fans will soon be on Scrivens when he posts a .900 sv percentage behind this shoddy team. Getting Hendricks and his contract is a big gamble…pretty expensive to play a fourth line forward with little production. Definitely not a bold move by MacT…

  • 24% body fat

    Proper asset management says you sign or trade hemsky before doing something with Gagner. Gagner can still be traded in the summer after free agency gets tight or at the draft. Hemsky is goners. So I think the next move is trading hemsky, and building up gagner as a wing so he can be traded, or slot into there permanently so Eberle or Yak can be moved for the Dman or number two center.

  • bazmagoo

    MacT did well today in my opinion, but I’m always an eternal optimist when it comes to my Oilers. They certainly do have a way of ruining that and turning me into a pessimist though. Go Oilers Go!

  • 24% body fat

    how funny would will it be when flames finish dead last next year, and lose the lottery. Than trade Baertschi for Tyler Biggs, and Monohan for Tom Wilson.

  • bwar

    Hendricks is a guy I thought the Oilers should have targeted in free agency and honestly I think Scrivens is the same calibre goalie as Dubnyk. Fair trades overall in my books.

  • Lowe But Now High Expectations

    The moves are okay. Dubnyk was never going to develop here, Scrivens has a clean slate to establish himself as a legitimate NHLer. Hendricks is a depth player who will PK. Adding a forward looks like insurance because all the Oilers will get is a draft pick for Hemsky.

    However, any hope for real improvement won’t happen until bold moves are made, but that won’t happen until the offseason.

  • bazmagoo

    Considering we’ll likely be saving money next season on Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, Dennis Grebeshkov, Ben Eager, amongst others I’d say the fact that Hendricks makes approx $350,000 more than he is worth won’t be much of an issue.

    • 24% body fat

      He makes $350k more than he’s worth – this year.

      Next year, because he’ll be older, slower, and Belanger, he’ll make $850k more than he’s worth.

      The year after that, when he’ll be older, Belanger, and Belanger, he’ll make $1,350k more than he’s worth.

      The final year of his contract in Edmonton, when he’s Belanger, Belanger, and Belanger, he’ll be earning $1,850k more than he’s worth.

  • Johnnydapunk

    I don’t think it is a huge gamble either, Scrivens is a UFA this summer, so the Oil are still in the market for a goaltender, I mean they left their options opens for goalies for next year as they have no one signed for next season, Brossoit, Bunz and Tuohimaa are the only goalies the Oil have on the books for next season and Bachman is an RFA so I guess they could feasibly resign him.

    Hopefully Scrivens does alright here and if he works out, we can try to resign him, if not there are a lot of goalies available this summer.

    At first I was cool with Bryzgalov, but he just doesn’t seem to be the answer, again it’s also a defence issue so until that gets sorted, goaltending is gonna struggle whoever you have back there.

    Either way, this trade seems pretty good and hopefully some more moves are coming.

    • reaperfunkss

      I dont think his stock was ever that high. the book on him for the last 5 or 6 years was that he didnt have the quickness or lateral movement to be a true number 1. Only this organization would see value where there is none.

  • Zarny

    Scrivens has a 0.931 save% in 19 games for the kings, and his career numbers are a cut above Dubbi’s. Also to this point he has been paid much less than Dubnyk.

    Add to that an unquestionable 4th line center and you have a pretty major club improvement in my view

    • reaperfunkss

      But you havent seen him play on this team so you may wanna reserve judgement. Using his numbers with the Kings may not be appropriate as the Kings not only know that defense needs to be played in the NHL they do it as well as any team in the last decade perhaps.

      Not saying they have been the best for the past decade just saying this year they are as good or better than most teams in that period of time

  • Zarny

    Well, these moves are more bold than I’ve come to expect in the past several years. I think we are marginally better now than we were this morning.

    I still wonder, however, about the impact that our goalie coach is having on our guys, and whether Chabot is the right guy to move these guys forward (or at least sustain what they bring when they get here.)

    Best of wishes to you, Devan! May you shutout the Canucks and Leafs every time, and may you always give up 8 against the Oilers!

  • Zamboni Driver

    Goalie for Goalie…whatever. Dubnyk was finished here anyway.

    I can’t help thinking about a discussion Gregor and Strudwick had on Gregor’s show a while back. Studwick went on very passionately…

    The problem is not who is playing on your fourth line.

    Apparently for the “Braintrust” that’s all they can figure out.

    I’m sure whatever his name is will be a fine player. But you couldn’t get ONE D-man better than the garbage on this team now? I’m not saying ‘good’, I’m saying better. How hard could that possibly be?

    MacT has an MBA and everything!

    • Zarny

      Let’s keep this real.

      There is no “the problem” in Edm.

      There are problems…plural. And one of them is who is playing on the 4th line. Most of them aren’t bona fide NHL players.

      I would agree the blueline is a more acute problem; but the answer is no…MacT couldn’t get a better D in a trade for Dubnyk because no one was willing to give up a better D for Dubnyk.

      • reaperfunkss

        maybe, but what the Oilers are doing is akin to repainting a car then hammering out the dents. There are reasons you need to do things in a certain order.

        This management group clearly has no plan to follow. No blueprint on what they are doing. they are just flying by the seat of their pants and that is never a good stragety but it is the path they have followed for the last 13 years

          • Zarny

            Haha…probably not.

            Many like to compare the Oilers rebuild to Pit, Chi etc.

            So what are the differences? The high 1st round draft picks? Nope. They need to improve their 200 ft game just like Crosby, Malkin, Toews and Kane did but they are basically what you’d expect.

            The difference is no Keith or Seabrook or Gonchar or Letang. No Niemi or Crawford or Fleury etc.

            The difference is everything that surrounds the 1st round picks.

            Why is that? Part of the answer is certainly management. To date they haven’t drafted and/or developed those players and/or have refused to the pay the price to get them in trades.

            Part of the answer however, and I know this won’t be popular, is Edmonton. The city.

            You can criticize Lowe and MacT etc all you want, but I think it’s foolish for anyone to think Holland or Chiarelli or anyone would have better luck convincing the players the Oilers need to sign in Edm.

          • Zarny

            No I didn’t say Lowe has done a good job.

            But he certainly isn’t near the problem that some want him to be.

            You can fire Lowe all you want; it isn’t going to attract better players to sign in Edm or make other GMs more likely to trade with the Oilers.

          • reaperfunkss

            Nice, don’t hold those responsible accountable. Can I work for you? The job is to win. when you spend this long at the bottom excuses no longer work.

            Fact is Lowe has had no real success as a manager of an NHL team. His poor attitude is all over this organization and nothing will have any chance of being better until that changes.

            Cutting the people who have been doing, at best a mediocre job gives you a chance. It shows the organization as a whole that you are now going to have to do what you say. Talk all you want but know you have to have results should be the rule.

            As far as attracting new players. Perhaps the current management is keeping them away. He certainly isnt popular with agents. Several different players have had issue with how this organization has handled them.

            How do you know that some GM’s wont trade with Lowe? He certainly made a lot of enemies with his restricted free agent contracts. NHL GM’s are notorious for the “Black Ball” behavior. Not all of them but quite a few.

            Of course firing Lowe wont make the current players better only a fool would think that. But to let this management group continue to produce nothing except verbage is ineptitude at its finest by Katz.

          • Bucknuck

            It’s not about firing him to attract FA’s or so GM’s will trade with us. Firing him is about his poor job performance and the situation we are currently in because he brought us here. There is no valid point to defend kLowe and no valid reasons to keep him

  • Zarny

    I have no problems with what MacT has done. There is no silver bullet. The Oilers aren’t 1 move away.

    Dubnyk had to be moved; the well has been poisoned. He’s been the heir apparent for years now and he failed. You can’t keep him as a back-up or a tandem because he’d always have that baggage of failure hanging around.

    And since Bryz isn’t playing well either MacT had to make a move. To make a move he had to move Dubnyk. Right now, with a 3.36 GAA and 0.894 SV% Dubnyk isn’t worth much. That’s reality.

    I’m not optimistic Scrivens is the answer long term but he can’t be worse. And even if Hendricks doesn’t work out no team has been in cap trouble because of a guy making $1.85M.

  • Zarny

    It’s hard not to like this or any kind of movement considering the season the Oilers are having. With any luck they can either resign Bryz short term and have a decent 1 – 2 with the hope that Scrivens can be the number 1 guy. Or we can trade Bryz before the deadline for something.

    I would like to see Mac T finally make good on his bold move promise and make a hockey trade. One of the wonder kids for some serious D. Getting that number 1 or top 2 guy could completely alter the look of our D core and I think we have enough fire power up front still that with some better defence the Oilers could win some games.

    Now with both Gordon and Hendricks, our Pk and bottom 6 should be better defensively.

    Using one of Klefbomb, Nurse, or Marincin, I think Mac T could eventually get a big gritter winger that can play with skill, or maybe even an upgrade on our number 2 centre. That’s how I would go about improving the Oilers from here on out.

  • Zarny

    Yes…trading away the third wound pick doesn’t seem so bad…but the pick is essentially a late second round pick with the Oilers battling for the lotto picks once again.

    Don’t see how either of these moves make the Oilers any better or move them any closer to playoff contention in the future.

  • reaperfunkss

    Homer simpsons quote always reminds me of the Oilers

    “How come things that happen to dumb people always happen to me?”

    Lowe should get that tattood on his back.

  • Spydyr

    With a cap of $70 million and an owner willing to spend to it $1.8 million for an effective fourth liner is a non issue.

    When you’re 29th place you can’t “overvalue” your assets. If you did you’d never make a trade.

    I like Dubnyk. Feel bad for him. Outside of the first five games this year I really don’t know if he blew his chance or if the Defence is that bad. Who knows? Maybe even Henrik Lundqvist would be throwing his stick in the air playing behind this group.

    Don’t start trashing MacT because these moves aren’t “bold” let it go. Don’t forget the “bold moves” quote was only the third dumbest thing said at that press conference. MacT is trying. His lack of bold moves isn’t because he’s new or that he overvalues his players it’s because he’s the GM of a 29th place team in a league where only 16 trades have been made all year.

  • Hemmercules

    The Oilers aren’t a better or worse team after these moves. Lateral at best. Scrivs won’t look better than Brys or Duby behind the softest defense in the NHL, not a chance. Duby was done but seems like they could have got something better in return. Nothing in return almost seems better than Hendricks.

    • 2004Z06

      Really? Dubnyk has a .894 save % and of all goalies in the NHL to have played a minimum of 150 games he is dead last in wins. DEAD LAST! Were you expecting Shea Weber in return?

      Mac T is lucky to get an NHL player in return.

      Fans need to stop over valuing our junk. This is the real world, not NHL 14.

      Hemsky will bring a prospect or a 3rd round pick and Gagner + a prospect/pick might get you a 3-4 D man.

      • Truth

        Look at it from Nashville’s point of view: They get a goaltender with (prior to this year) potential #1 goaltender statistics for the rest of the year while Rinne is down to injury. If Dubnyk stays bad, they let him walk for nothing. Plus, half of Dubnyk’s contract is covered by the Oilers. In acquiring Dubnyk they lose a contract of $1.85 million per year for 3 years following this season, while they absolutely can replace his 4 points and 54 PIMs with a much cheaper option next season.

        Win-win for Nashville.

        Oilers point of view: Acquire a 4th line player that is paid way more than comparable players of his skill set with 3.5 years remaining on his contract. They lose Dubnyk, who was going to walk away at the end of the season anyway. Pay half of Dubnyk’s salary for the rest of the year.

        Oilers would have been better off taking a 25th round pick, if it existed.

    • Reg Dunlop

      You may be right about that. A win is always a good thing. But more importantly from oil mgmt. perspective it is a distraction, shifting attention away from the real problems here that are infinitely more difficult to address.

    • Truth

      Is this Kevin Lowe? You are justifying an unjustifiable move.

      It is a 3rd for Scrivens and Dubnyk for a 4th liner for the next 3 years at a wage approximately 3 times his actual value.

      3rd for Scrivens – not bad.

      Pending UFA for easily replaceable 4th line player on a substantially overpaid contract – Jay Feaster-esque.

        • Truth

          In a cap free world you are correct, Katz can spend all he wants. But if J. Schultz is traded away because his contract demands won’t fit within the cap while Hendricks is getting overpaid by $1.2 million dollars per year it’s a big deal.

          • Truth

            Players with 5 or 4 points (Hendricks has 4) this season and negative in plus minus (playing more than 35 games):

            – Mike Brown,
            – Luke Gazdic,
            – Tom Wilson,
            – Eric Tangradi,
            – Marc Andre Cliche,
            – Chris Thorburn,
            – Matt Hendricks,
            – Peter Regin,
            – Stephen Gionta,
            – Tom Sestito,
            – Patrick Bordeleau,
            – Craig Adams,
            – Derek Dorsett,
            – Jay McClement,

            I’ll let you look at the average salaries of those players. Not to mention Hendricks is 32. They’re not taking a flier on a player that may yet improve. He’s going downhill in ability.

          • Actually it’s 1.85 for a player barley hanging on to NHL employment, this player is a slight upgrade on Konopka, who is half the cost with a shorter contract.

            Put that together with Scrivens being a UFA and the Oilers have themselves a little bit of a river boat gamble.

            I think the trade boarders on ridicules.

            http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/15/edmonton-oilers-trade-devan-dubnyk-matt-hendricks/

            @mc79hockey

            “Nashville just exchanged a guy with contract cancer for a guy who disappears at the end of the year for zero dollars. Good work.”

            MacTavish should just stop trying to make the team better; he’s actually making the team worse.

            While most of the analytical community scratches their heads over this trade, other’s……….. applaud it.

          • emonkee

            Normally I only bother reading LT and Gregor’s blogs coz they are the only ones I care to read up on…in this case, I will give JW the benefit of the doubt becoz he is commenting purely on Hendricks for Dubbie, and not in conjunction with the Scriven’s deal.

            Yes, if you just trade Hendricks for Dubbie, of coz we lose big time, but you need to account for Scriven. Since we may be on a desperation mode to get the Dubbie deal done before the Scrivens, unfortunately we aren’t going to get 80 cents on the dollar.

            You go look at the Preds roster, and you tell me who the Preds are willing to trade in order to get a UFA goalie as a stop gap? They aren’t going to give away Hornqvist or Fisher or Stalberg, so you are obvioulsy going to be left with a guy like Hendricks. Do we want more for Dubbie? Yes, but what can MacT do? Now if he is able to trade away Hendricks sometime in the future without taking another huge contract back, then props to him.

          • Randaman

            We’ll then Wally, instead of roasting every trade made what or who would you pick up this coming summer for half the cost? I realize you have a man crush on Ekblad but isn’t the goal to improve no matter if the season is toast? I don’t get your thinking sometimes and by the way the cap is going up so the contract isn’t really an issue in my view.

          • Who said I had a man crush on Ekblad?

            I’ve questioned wether the Oilers would take him but no actually if it comes down to a defensmen or a center, I believe the Oilers already blew that once before.

            Leon Draisaitl, learn the name, then will talk about Ekblad or Draisaitl.

            It is going to matter regardless of the cap going up, you realize you have multiple free agents, RFA’s both on the present club and AHL club.

            You also don’t get that you picked up a player on the wrong way of 30? You don’t get that? He’s 33 with three years left!! At 1.85. Polie took MacTavish out behind the woodshed, got him to take a boat anchor contract & then made MacTavish pay the rest of Dubnyks salary!! WOW!!!

            Tell me how this improves the Oilers? I’ve looked up Hendricks stats, they ain’t pretty.

            Extraskater.com

            Go ahead, I’ve done my looking, have a peak for yourself, then tell me if it’s good.

          • Randaman

            I agree with Draisaiti but I don’t agree that defence is the best option at this juncture when it comes to a rookie. Nurse should be real close by fall. A trade for a quality blue liner seems to be the answer for me while drafting a #2 centre because we all know we are sorely lacking at all levels at that position.

            Hendricks might just surprise us. I don’t want to throw him under the bus already. We do that too much already. Let’s wait and hope for the best.
            Glass half full?

          • 2004Z06

            And that’s why the analytical community doesn’t play hockey.

            Everyone is looking at this trade from the wrong angle.

            It doesn’t matter who/how old/cap hit at all with regards to Hendricks.

            It was the cost to move Dubnyk out. Period.

            Have none of you heard of two teams swapping reclamation projects? That is all this was.

            We have heard many NHL sportscasters talk of having to bring back another teams bad contract to get rid of one of your own.

            A fresh start for both players may be just what is needed.

          • 2004Z06

            Yes and it wouldn’t have freed up the spot to bring in Scrivens. I would also suggest that Hendricks is at least an asset vs Dubnyk walking with zero return.

            It’s all semantics anyway. If he comes in and does a reasonable job at 4C, provides a little toughness and some PK then it’s a win, if he doesn’t, he gets moved for a 4th round pick later.

            This is really not a trade that anyone should be losing sleep over.

          • emonkee

            Well in that case, treat it as the cost of checking out whether Hendricks pans out as the 4C, since he is supposedly one of the guys MacT want in the offseason. If it doesn’t work out, buy him out, it’s only Katz $$ we are talking about here

          • Then waive him!!! Why take a boat anchor of a contract back? Who said you have to do that?

            Dubnyk was worth nothing! Zero, so take zero back! Instead the Oilers got a 33 year old with three years left at 1.85.

            You could get that exact player come this summer at half that cost! Half!!

          • 2004Z06

            At the least, if Hendricks doesn’t work out, he will garner a 4th round pick which is more than Dubnyk brings back if he walks.

            If you think 1.85 x 3 yrs in a 70 mil cap world is a boat anchor, what is/was Gagner’s, Hemsky’s, Smid’s, Dubnyk’s? I would say Titanic!

            Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting.

            Let’s wait and see what this Hendricks guy is all about before we pass judgement shall we?

          • “Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting”

            That’s not saying much about this group is it! I totally agree with you on that, this group has continued to overpay for players on the decline, I can’t understand it?

            Not a chance a guy who at his best scored 20 points is going to get anything remotly close to a 4th!

            Check it out, big Georges PPG is higher then Hendricks.

            I don’t need to see him, I can read the statistics on the guy and get a real good idea what he’s going to do, waiting to see is only going to disapoint me more, check out extraskater.com for confirmation, 8th worst possersion forward & trending down, brutal..

            sorry, just don’t like the trade at all.

          • So, it’s ok to overpay for a player on the decline? I’m not still not understanding
            it.

            “Right, because so many players are banging on the door to play in Edmonton”

            How true! Mactavish offered this guy a contract in the summer & he turned them down!

            Ya! Go Oilers.

          • Bonvie

            They trade Dubnyk, Smid all for virtually nothing. these sort of players have value only at the trade deadline, Dubnyk as a backup goaltender for a playoff team with unexpected injuries, and Smid types always have great value at the deadline… Its shaping up like last years deadline, where they had nobody to trade, which as a non playoff team is not a good situation. THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF TEAMS THAT WILL BE IN Edmontons position as dreadful as it is that go into the deadline knowing they are not going to be playing playoff games. Stupid stupid stupid. Trade veterans at deadline.

          • A-Mc

            Value is determined by the people who are willing to pay it.

            I think movie ticket prices should be in the $5 range, and maybe $8-9 for 3D. Movies, imo, are supremely overpriced but guess what? we still pay the $13+ to go anyway.

      • A-Mc

        FACT: The Oilers tried to get Hendricks last summer and offered more money than NSH but still lost out.

        Obviously it isn’t as easy as it seems and the value isn’t outrageous.

        • Truth

          And I’m willing to bet you think the Oilers would be better off now if they had signed Clarkson for more money and longer term than the Maple Leafs did (which was reportedly offered)?

        • pkam

          Poor Hendricks, you should learn from Souray, signed a long term beefy contract with the Oilers then asked for a trade after the 1st year.

          Now you end up here for less. Not even a limited NTC? Can’t blame anyone but your agent and yourself.

        • Spydyr

          And you are Hendricks’ agent…that is how you know the Oilers offered Hendricks more money…or are you relying on rumours for the basis of your comment. Cause you know you can’t always trust rumours…the rumour is Edmonton has an NHL team…but everyone knows that just isn’t true.

      • DarkLinkCosplay

        Correction:
        3rd for Scrivens- pretty good

        Easily replaceable 3rd string goalie on a substantially overpaid contract for an easily replaceable 4th line player on a substantially overpaid contract.
        At least he’s better than Lander

  • reaperfunkss

    It will be interesting to see the take on today’s moves by the Edmonton sports media. The guys who have been preaching patience all year. MacT has clearly stated he has no more patience for Dubby of Ladner.

  • Bucknuck

    What speaks loudest to me here is the fact that Dubnyk was pruned and schooled over many, many years with the hope and foresight that he would be the Oilers starting goalie.

    Instead, he was traded for a bit part in the middle of January – the dead-zone for NHL trades.

    I’m not debating the merit of the trade because time will tell. What I am saying is that how come it took this long for the Oilers to move on from him? The posters on this very website knew Dubnyk was a bust two seasons ago.

  • Randaman

    More size, grit, PK. What more did you expect after Dubnyk imploded this year?? I also think Scrivens will surprise all the negative Nellies here. Hope is all I have left and I am clinging to that.

  • Reg Dunlop

    Dubnyk for Mike Brown. That’s a great trade, we have been needing a guy like that since we traded Mike Brown for a bag of pucks… Wait a minute. Bold moves, maybe we can find a decent #6 d man that blocks shots and knows how to ring a puck off the glass. S-M-I-D If management thinks that guys like Hendrix or Scrivens will get us out of the cellar they are dreaming. Rubber Boots for Mayor. Just like in the business world, if you can’t fire a problem you move them up.

        • Zarny

          No, of course the players they got are not pointless.

          Hendricks will hopefully be a better 4th liner and PK than what they currently have.

          Scrivens might not be the answer to win the Cup; but if he can simply not let in easy goals from the blueline in a tie game with 5 min left he’s better than Dubnyk and Bryz.

          Trades aren’t a zero sum game. It isn’t all win or all lose.

          The fact a trade for a #1 D would certainly help the Oilers out more doesn’t make trades like these pointless. That’s just lazy thinking.

  • pkam

    Ben Scrivens is a UFA at the end of the year, but it’s still worth the pick for me. I think the Oilers should be looking at a platoon situation next year. They can ill afford another collapse in the crease at the start of next year. So say the Oil sign one of Fasth, Elliot or Halak over the summer. Fasth has never been THE GUY in the NHL and Elliot and Halak have been inconsistent in the past, thus why St Louis has always kept them both.

    We can watch Scrivens the rest of the year and see if he is one of the two goalies we want next year.