DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS… ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

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He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn’t that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won’t like Hendricks’ contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won’t look as bad as it does today. He doesn’t bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

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So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd…

Thoughts?


  • reaperfunkss

    In a way i hope Dubs getsd some actual coaching and can develop fairly quickly. That may be the tipping point for Katz to realize he has morons working for him…Although i highly doubt it.

    I personally don’t think Dubby will be great because he still doesnt move laterally that well and cant track the puck effectivly but if Nashville has actual coaches who can develop a player he may turn it around.

    Heard a rumor that the Oilers are paying part of dubnyks salary. Is this true?

  • 24% body fat

    how funny would will it be when flames finish dead last next year, and lose the lottery. Than trade Baertschi for Tyler Biggs, and Monohan for Tom Wilson.

  • Hemmercules

    The Oilers aren’t a better or worse team after these moves. Lateral at best. Scrivs won’t look better than Brys or Duby behind the softest defense in the NHL, not a chance. Duby was done but seems like they could have got something better in return. Nothing in return almost seems better than Hendricks.

    • 2004Z06

      Really? Dubnyk has a .894 save % and of all goalies in the NHL to have played a minimum of 150 games he is dead last in wins. DEAD LAST! Were you expecting Shea Weber in return?

      Mac T is lucky to get an NHL player in return.

      Fans need to stop over valuing our junk. This is the real world, not NHL 14.

      Hemsky will bring a prospect or a 3rd round pick and Gagner + a prospect/pick might get you a 3-4 D man.

      • Truth

        Look at it from Nashville’s point of view: They get a goaltender with (prior to this year) potential #1 goaltender statistics for the rest of the year while Rinne is down to injury. If Dubnyk stays bad, they let him walk for nothing. Plus, half of Dubnyk’s contract is covered by the Oilers. In acquiring Dubnyk they lose a contract of $1.85 million per year for 3 years following this season, while they absolutely can replace his 4 points and 54 PIMs with a much cheaper option next season.

        Win-win for Nashville.

        Oilers point of view: Acquire a 4th line player that is paid way more than comparable players of his skill set with 3.5 years remaining on his contract. They lose Dubnyk, who was going to walk away at the end of the season anyway. Pay half of Dubnyk’s salary for the rest of the year.

        Oilers would have been better off taking a 25th round pick, if it existed.

    • reaperfunkss

      Trying. We now credit trying? Screw that. The taxpayer is handing over hundreds of millions of dollars for trying?

      Sorry, more of the same from a group of fools trying to save, if not their jobs, then their credibility in the eyes of the hockey world.

      I like scrivens but put into this mess will not do well for him

  • googlist

    I like these moves, i still wish they would’ve given Dubnyk a chance behind a legitimate top 6 d corps, but at least the price was right. I have liked Dubnyk since he got his first start here, but a change of scenery will be much needed not only for him but for us fans too.

  • As far as I’m concerned, the goalie is a swap of peers, both about the same historically. Bryz is also terrible. Seems to me all we did was gain an extra offensively challenged center – didn’t the Oilers already have that with Lander without giving up another contract spot?

  • 24% body fat

    Trade does very little as D is still horrible, Forwards lack size. Scrivens’ body of work is much less than Dubnyk and he played for a good defensive team…Oiler fans will soon be on Scrivens when he posts a .900 sv percentage behind this shoddy team. Getting Hendricks and his contract is a big gamble…pretty expensive to play a fourth line forward with little production. Definitely not a bold move by MacT…

  • 2004Z06

    In order for a team to get better they do not have to win every trade. What they must do is be prepared to trade and then win the key trades. This is not a key trade but it is comforting to know we now have one more reliable forward with some size and grit and effort. I support MacT and wish him luck going forward. Patience and class Oiler fans.

    • Truth

      Is this Kevin Lowe? You are justifying an unjustifiable move.

      It is a 3rd for Scrivens and Dubnyk for a 4th liner for the next 3 years at a wage approximately 3 times his actual value.

      3rd for Scrivens – not bad.

      Pending UFA for easily replaceable 4th line player on a substantially overpaid contract – Jay Feaster-esque.

        • Truth

          In a cap free world you are correct, Katz can spend all he wants. But if J. Schultz is traded away because his contract demands won’t fit within the cap while Hendricks is getting overpaid by $1.2 million dollars per year it’s a big deal.

          • Actually it’s 1.85 for a player barley hanging on to NHL employment, this player is a slight upgrade on Konopka, who is half the cost with a shorter contract.

            Put that together with Scrivens being a UFA and the Oilers have themselves a little bit of a river boat gamble.

            I think the trade boarders on ridicules.

            http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/15/edmonton-oilers-trade-devan-dubnyk-matt-hendricks/

            @mc79hockey

            “Nashville just exchanged a guy with contract cancer for a guy who disappears at the end of the year for zero dollars. Good work.”

            MacTavish should just stop trying to make the team better; he’s actually making the team worse.

            While most of the analytical community scratches their heads over this trade, other’s……….. applaud it.

          • emonkee

            Normally I only bother reading LT and Gregor’s blogs coz they are the only ones I care to read up on…in this case, I will give JW the benefit of the doubt becoz he is commenting purely on Hendricks for Dubbie, and not in conjunction with the Scriven’s deal.

            Yes, if you just trade Hendricks for Dubbie, of coz we lose big time, but you need to account for Scriven. Since we may be on a desperation mode to get the Dubbie deal done before the Scrivens, unfortunately we aren’t going to get 80 cents on the dollar.

            You go look at the Preds roster, and you tell me who the Preds are willing to trade in order to get a UFA goalie as a stop gap? They aren’t going to give away Hornqvist or Fisher or Stalberg, so you are obvioulsy going to be left with a guy like Hendricks. Do we want more for Dubbie? Yes, but what can MacT do? Now if he is able to trade away Hendricks sometime in the future without taking another huge contract back, then props to him.

          • Randaman

            We’ll then Wally, instead of roasting every trade made what or who would you pick up this coming summer for half the cost? I realize you have a man crush on Ekblad but isn’t the goal to improve no matter if the season is toast? I don’t get your thinking sometimes and by the way the cap is going up so the contract isn’t really an issue in my view.

          • Who said I had a man crush on Ekblad?

            I’ve questioned wether the Oilers would take him but no actually if it comes down to a defensmen or a center, I believe the Oilers already blew that once before.

            Leon Draisaitl, learn the name, then will talk about Ekblad or Draisaitl.

            It is going to matter regardless of the cap going up, you realize you have multiple free agents, RFA’s both on the present club and AHL club.

            You also don’t get that you picked up a player on the wrong way of 30? You don’t get that? He’s 33 with three years left!! At 1.85. Polie took MacTavish out behind the woodshed, got him to take a boat anchor contract & then made MacTavish pay the rest of Dubnyks salary!! WOW!!!

            Tell me how this improves the Oilers? I’ve looked up Hendricks stats, they ain’t pretty.

            Extraskater.com

            Go ahead, I’ve done my looking, have a peak for yourself, then tell me if it’s good.

          • Randaman

            I agree with Draisaiti but I don’t agree that defence is the best option at this juncture when it comes to a rookie. Nurse should be real close by fall. A trade for a quality blue liner seems to be the answer for me while drafting a #2 centre because we all know we are sorely lacking at all levels at that position.

            Hendricks might just surprise us. I don’t want to throw him under the bus already. We do that too much already. Let’s wait and hope for the best.
            Glass half full?

          • 2004Z06

            And that’s why the analytical community doesn’t play hockey.

            Everyone is looking at this trade from the wrong angle.

            It doesn’t matter who/how old/cap hit at all with regards to Hendricks.

            It was the cost to move Dubnyk out. Period.

            Have none of you heard of two teams swapping reclamation projects? That is all this was.

            We have heard many NHL sportscasters talk of having to bring back another teams bad contract to get rid of one of your own.

            A fresh start for both players may be just what is needed.

          • Then waive him!!! Why take a boat anchor of a contract back? Who said you have to do that?

            Dubnyk was worth nothing! Zero, so take zero back! Instead the Oilers got a 33 year old with three years left at 1.85.

            You could get that exact player come this summer at half that cost! Half!!

          • 2004Z06

            At the least, if Hendricks doesn’t work out, he will garner a 4th round pick which is more than Dubnyk brings back if he walks.

            If you think 1.85 x 3 yrs in a 70 mil cap world is a boat anchor, what is/was Gagner’s, Hemsky’s, Smid’s, Dubnyk’s? I would say Titanic!

            Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting.

            Let’s wait and see what this Hendricks guy is all about before we pass judgement shall we?

          • “Far, far worse signings have been made in this organization than what Hendricks is getting”

            That’s not saying much about this group is it! I totally agree with you on that, this group has continued to overpay for players on the decline, I can’t understand it?

            Not a chance a guy who at his best scored 20 points is going to get anything remotly close to a 4th!

            Check it out, big Georges PPG is higher then Hendricks.

            I don’t need to see him, I can read the statistics on the guy and get a real good idea what he’s going to do, waiting to see is only going to disapoint me more, check out extraskater.com for confirmation, 8th worst possersion forward & trending down, brutal..

            sorry, just don’t like the trade at all.

          • So, it’s ok to overpay for a player on the decline? I’m not still not understanding
            it.

            “Right, because so many players are banging on the door to play in Edmonton”

            How true! Mactavish offered this guy a contract in the summer & he turned them down!

            Ya! Go Oilers.

          • 2004Z06

            Yes and it wouldn’t have freed up the spot to bring in Scrivens. I would also suggest that Hendricks is at least an asset vs Dubnyk walking with zero return.

            It’s all semantics anyway. If he comes in and does a reasonable job at 4C, provides a little toughness and some PK then it’s a win, if he doesn’t, he gets moved for a 4th round pick later.

            This is really not a trade that anyone should be losing sleep over.

          • emonkee

            Well in that case, treat it as the cost of checking out whether Hendricks pans out as the 4C, since he is supposedly one of the guys MacT want in the offseason. If it doesn’t work out, buy him out, it’s only Katz $$ we are talking about here

          • Bonvie

            They trade Dubnyk, Smid all for virtually nothing. these sort of players have value only at the trade deadline, Dubnyk as a backup goaltender for a playoff team with unexpected injuries, and Smid types always have great value at the deadline… Its shaping up like last years deadline, where they had nobody to trade, which as a non playoff team is not a good situation. THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF TEAMS THAT WILL BE IN Edmontons position as dreadful as it is that go into the deadline knowing they are not going to be playing playoff games. Stupid stupid stupid. Trade veterans at deadline.

          • Truth

            Players with 5 or 4 points (Hendricks has 4) this season and negative in plus minus (playing more than 35 games):

            – Mike Brown,
            – Luke Gazdic,
            – Tom Wilson,
            – Eric Tangradi,
            – Marc Andre Cliche,
            – Chris Thorburn,
            – Matt Hendricks,
            – Peter Regin,
            – Stephen Gionta,
            – Tom Sestito,
            – Patrick Bordeleau,
            – Craig Adams,
            – Derek Dorsett,
            – Jay McClement,

            I’ll let you look at the average salaries of those players. Not to mention Hendricks is 32. They’re not taking a flier on a player that may yet improve. He’s going downhill in ability.

          • A-Mc

            Value is determined by the people who are willing to pay it.

            I think movie ticket prices should be in the $5 range, and maybe $8-9 for 3D. Movies, imo, are supremely overpriced but guess what? we still pay the $13+ to go anyway.

      • A-Mc

        FACT: The Oilers tried to get Hendricks last summer and offered more money than NSH but still lost out.

        Obviously it isn’t as easy as it seems and the value isn’t outrageous.

        • Truth

          And I’m willing to bet you think the Oilers would be better off now if they had signed Clarkson for more money and longer term than the Maple Leafs did (which was reportedly offered)?

        • Spydyr

          And you are Hendricks’ agent…that is how you know the Oilers offered Hendricks more money…or are you relying on rumours for the basis of your comment. Cause you know you can’t always trust rumours…the rumour is Edmonton has an NHL team…but everyone knows that just isn’t true.

        • pkam

          Poor Hendricks, you should learn from Souray, signed a long term beefy contract with the Oilers then asked for a trade after the 1st year.

          Now you end up here for less. Not even a limited NTC? Can’t blame anyone but your agent and yourself.

      • DarkLinkCosplay

        Correction:
        3rd for Scrivens- pretty good

        Easily replaceable 3rd string goalie on a substantially overpaid contract for an easily replaceable 4th line player on a substantially overpaid contract.
        At least he’s better than Lander

    • Reg Dunlop

      You may be right about that. A win is always a good thing. But more importantly from oil mgmt. perspective it is a distraction, shifting attention away from the real problems here that are infinitely more difficult to address.

  • Jack Dupp

    I have no issues with these trades. Clearing out salary and getting a defensive 4th line center that plays on the pk? Sounds like a smart move for a team that wont make the playoffs. It also makes Gagner expendable. Arc will continue to center the 2nd line. Gordon stays put and Smytty goes back to the wing on the third.

  • vetinari

    Taken alone, I was surprised. Add in the Scrivener trade for a third rounder and we finally have a potential long term starter (fingers crossed) and a PK, defensive specialist. Cautious thumbs up on these deals.

  • Jack Dupp

    Perfect – good move Oilers. Finally. Now get Scrivens a couple of decent Defensemen. We have our Goalie for the future , with L.B. a few years away. The goaltending situation now looks better.

  • Zarny

    A warm body an actual NHL player in exchange for Dubnyk? You gotta call this a win, Flubnyk has gotta be one of the worst positionally awkward big men in goal in the whole NHL. Going out and getting Scrivens right after is icing on that cake. Scrivens was obviously the odd man out with Jones strong play after Quicks injury. Not looking too bad considering how poor the goaltending was to start the year. Now onto some competent defensemen and this might start looking promising.

  • bazmagoo

    MacT did well today in my opinion, but I’m always an eternal optimist when it comes to my Oilers. They certainly do have a way of ruining that and turning me into a pessimist though. Go Oilers Go!

  • Bucknuck

    What speaks loudest to me here is the fact that Dubnyk was pruned and schooled over many, many years with the hope and foresight that he would be the Oilers starting goalie.

    Instead, he was traded for a bit part in the middle of January – the dead-zone for NHL trades.

    I’m not debating the merit of the trade because time will tell. What I am saying is that how come it took this long for the Oilers to move on from him? The posters on this very website knew Dubnyk was a bust two seasons ago.

  • Zarny

    Wait and see how Ben Scrivens does without D. I’m sure he will be just as bad as the rest of the goalies.

    This gives Oiler fans something to talk about because the season is over. These are really nothing moves.

  • Zamboni Driver

    Goalie for Goalie…whatever. Dubnyk was finished here anyway.

    I can’t help thinking about a discussion Gregor and Strudwick had on Gregor’s show a while back. Studwick went on very passionately…

    The problem is not who is playing on your fourth line.

    Apparently for the “Braintrust” that’s all they can figure out.

    I’m sure whatever his name is will be a fine player. But you couldn’t get ONE D-man better than the garbage on this team now? I’m not saying ‘good’, I’m saying better. How hard could that possibly be?

    MacT has an MBA and everything!

    • Zarny

      Let’s keep this real.

      There is no “the problem” in Edm.

      There are problems…plural. And one of them is who is playing on the 4th line. Most of them aren’t bona fide NHL players.

      I would agree the blueline is a more acute problem; but the answer is no…MacT couldn’t get a better D in a trade for Dubnyk because no one was willing to give up a better D for Dubnyk.

      • reaperfunkss

        maybe, but what the Oilers are doing is akin to repainting a car then hammering out the dents. There are reasons you need to do things in a certain order.

        This management group clearly has no plan to follow. No blueprint on what they are doing. they are just flying by the seat of their pants and that is never a good stragety but it is the path they have followed for the last 13 years

          • Zarny

            Haha…probably not.

            Many like to compare the Oilers rebuild to Pit, Chi etc.

            So what are the differences? The high 1st round draft picks? Nope. They need to improve their 200 ft game just like Crosby, Malkin, Toews and Kane did but they are basically what you’d expect.

            The difference is no Keith or Seabrook or Gonchar or Letang. No Niemi or Crawford or Fleury etc.

            The difference is everything that surrounds the 1st round picks.

            Why is that? Part of the answer is certainly management. To date they haven’t drafted and/or developed those players and/or have refused to the pay the price to get them in trades.

            Part of the answer however, and I know this won’t be popular, is Edmonton. The city.

            You can criticize Lowe and MacT etc all you want, but I think it’s foolish for anyone to think Holland or Chiarelli or anyone would have better luck convincing the players the Oilers need to sign in Edm.

          • Zarny

            No I didn’t say Lowe has done a good job.

            But he certainly isn’t near the problem that some want him to be.

            You can fire Lowe all you want; it isn’t going to attract better players to sign in Edm or make other GMs more likely to trade with the Oilers.

          • reaperfunkss

            Nice, don’t hold those responsible accountable. Can I work for you? The job is to win. when you spend this long at the bottom excuses no longer work.

            Fact is Lowe has had no real success as a manager of an NHL team. His poor attitude is all over this organization and nothing will have any chance of being better until that changes.

            Cutting the people who have been doing, at best a mediocre job gives you a chance. It shows the organization as a whole that you are now going to have to do what you say. Talk all you want but know you have to have results should be the rule.

            As far as attracting new players. Perhaps the current management is keeping them away. He certainly isnt popular with agents. Several different players have had issue with how this organization has handled them.

            How do you know that some GM’s wont trade with Lowe? He certainly made a lot of enemies with his restricted free agent contracts. NHL GM’s are notorious for the “Black Ball” behavior. Not all of them but quite a few.

            Of course firing Lowe wont make the current players better only a fool would think that. But to let this management group continue to produce nothing except verbage is ineptitude at its finest by Katz.

          • Bucknuck

            It’s not about firing him to attract FA’s or so GM’s will trade with us. Firing him is about his poor job performance and the situation we are currently in because he brought us here. There is no valid point to defend kLowe and no valid reasons to keep him

  • Zarny

    Yes…trading away the third wound pick doesn’t seem so bad…but the pick is essentially a late second round pick with the Oilers battling for the lotto picks once again.

    Don’t see how either of these moves make the Oilers any better or move them any closer to playoff contention in the future.

  • reaperfunkss

    Homer simpsons quote always reminds me of the Oilers

    “How come things that happen to dumb people always happen to me?”

    Lowe should get that tattood on his back.

  • Bucknuck

    I’m SOOOO SICK of the “bold” comments. For me, I thought trading Paajarvi for Perron was plenty bold. Or do you want them to trade away Hall, RNH or Eberle? Good Lord.

  • Serious Gord

    Both moves on terms of return are minor relative to the big picture especially going forward after this season: a fourth line center for 1.85 million – and an aging one at that. Does his being a native of spruce grove have something to do with it? Is this another case of homerism?

    Scrivens when in front of a crap defense like torontos had about a .910 s % – not much different than dubnyk. And how many games is he going to play? 15? This season. Hardly a consequential acquisition.

    But what the oil traded is a yet another black mark on the organization and MacT:

    Dubnyk was a big project for the oil that has failed utterly. In the end MacT had to bribe another team to take him off their hands. Dubnyk had such a stench on him that MacT spent millions – in paying half his salary and taking on a grossly overpaid Hendricks (three years of a roster spot lost too) to get rid of him for another 15 games this year. MacT/Klowe were told by many over the last few years that DD wasn’t the answer yet they stuck with him – passing over other outside proven goalies (Niemi for one) clinging to the Dd dream. Even when MacT publically admitted that they needed to get a better goalie this off season he was content/too proud/too stubborn to not move him and instead take the team into this season with dd as his starter with – predictable to many – results. That was a HUGE mistake and it is 100% MacT/Klowes fault.

    Given paucity of actual results with these two moves besides the removal of an acute short-term pain (dubnyk) one wonders of these moves were made more for the benefit of the season ticket and advertising sales office than the on ice product.

    • Zarny

      Good grief. MacT might have been a “consultant” but he certainly wasn’t making personnel decisions like whether or not to keep Dubnyk.

      That’s all on Tambellini.

        • Zarny

          No actually MacT did move Dubnyk…today. I guess double check the title of the article?

          Dubnyk had a 0.921 SV% on a 26th place team last year. That’s better than a lot of very good G.

          It was perfectly reasonable for MacT to give Dubnyk a shot this year whether you like it or not. When it wasn’t working MacT shipped out Labarbera and brought in Bryz.

          That hasn’t solved the problem so once again MacT moves on to see if another solution will work. I have no problem with that. Every GM will make mistakes. I like that MacT doesn’t hesitate to try to fix his mistakes.

          There is a mountain of cr*p you can dump on Tambo and Lowe; but not MacT. Not yet anyway.

    • Schrivens is from spruce grove, Hendricks is from minnesota. in fairness to mact he said Dubnyk wasnt the answer , remember “if you have to ask?” . First I heard that they passed over Niemi. He brought in Bryzgalov to replace him and moved him out in a little over a half a season in his first as gm which is hardly hanging onto the dream. Should he have been moved earlier?, in my opinion yes, was a better trade available earlier? We’ll never know, I would guess he would be a hard sell to hockey minds smarter than the people posting on here and the majority of us knew he wasnt a good option.

  • Chris.

    To grab an outside the market perspective: Matthew Barnaby on twitter:

    When Mac T took over said there would be serious changes!!! This is insane!!! Better to be quiet and make moves when you can rather than Ummmmmmmmm This…….#Oilers

    Why do I feel a divorce attorney did this deal. We’ll take Dubnyk…But u pay half… We don’t want Hendricks and the 3.5 yrs left. U take that…oh yeah and give us a 3rd pick for our 3rd goalie that’s unrestricted… That it???? No… Have a great day 🙂

  • billythebullet

    Hendricks > Acton/Lander in 4th line role
    Scrivens > Dubey
    I for one like these 2 moves.
    Everyone wanted dubey gone, ufa back up goalie for a 4th line center. No way u get p.k subban, dustin byfuglien or weber for dubey and a pick. Just saying.

  • ghostofberanek

    Holy cow, can we get over the “bold move” thing already? MacTavish has done a fine job, given what he had to work with. His “bold moves” statement was made before he truly understood the difficulty in making a bold move.

    I like the moves today, his decisions seem to be very careful and calculated. Even the best GM’s make a boneheaded move now and then. His worst move was to sign Gagner to that contract, but the Perron deal was pure brilliance. I trust MacTavish all the way.