GREEN DAY

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The Edmonton Oilers announced Bob Green as Director of Player Personnel yesterday, a subtle but important change in the way the club will do business. It sounds like Green will oversee both pro and amateur departments and instantly becomes one of the real point men in the organization. What would success look like for Bob Green?

HIT THE GROUND RUNNING

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Photo courtesy D. Sharon Pruitt

Mr. Green can help this team improve long before the draft by acquiring college talent this spring. We’ve already heard about the team’s interest in goaltender Matt O’Connor who is having a fine season in college.

  • Elliotte Friedman“The
    other thing too is they are really in on a goalie by the name of Matt
    O’Connor, who is an NCAA player who is having a great year. He’s got a
    goals against average, last time I checked, below 2.00. There’s about
    five or six teams, at least – probably even more – that are really high
    on him, including a number of the Canadian teams. I know Edmonton really
    wants to bring him in.”
    Source

If the Oilers find a quality G prospect in college that’s one item off the list this summer at the draft. The DRAFT is pivotal every year and this season—considered the best since 2003—having success in the top 100 selections is absolutely job one.

THE 2015 DRAFT

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Photo courtesy D. Sharon Pruitt

From all reports, this draft is the strongest since 2003. You remember 2003, right? The draft that gave the world Marc Pouliot?

2003 draft

If you spend a few minutes looking at those 30 names, especially the ones after No. 16 (Edmonton was slated to pick at 17) it’ll drive a sane man insane. The Oilers traded out of that spot to No. 22 in order to add the pick that would bring J.F. Jacques to the Oilers organization. The last time Eastern Canada did that much harm to Alberta they called it the National Energy Program.

If the 2015 draft is that good, and Edmonton has two picks (currently No. 2 and No. 23), then Mr. Green needs to make absolutely certain the Oilers pick the best possible players available.

LOWETIDE’S TOP 30

I’m no expert but like to dabble in these things. My list is heavy on offense and forwards, with an absolute preference for high end potential.

  1. (1) C Connor McDavid, Erie Otters (OHL) 22gp, 19-38-57 (2.59)
  2. (2) C Jack Eichel, Boston U (NCAA) 19gp, 10-22-32 (1.68)
  3. (5) R Mitch Marner, London Knights (OHL) 41gp, 33-53-86 (2.10)
  4. (4) C Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (OHL) 42gp, 28-49-77 (1.83)
  5. (3) D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA) 21gp, 3-9-12 (0.57)
  6. (10) D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (SHL) 13gp, 3-3-6 (0.46)
  7. (6) D Zach Werenski, Michigan (NCAA). 18gp, 3-12-15 (0.83)
  8. (9) R Mikko Rantanen, TPS Turku (SML). 35gp, 3-11-14 (0.40)
  9. (11) D Ivan Provorov, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) 39gp, 11-40-51 (1.31)
  10. (17) Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL). 32gp, 16-30-46 (1.44)
  11. (7) C Nick Merkley, Kelowna (WHL). 45gp, 14-50-64 (1.42)
  12. (16) C Jansen Harkins, Prince George Cougars (WHL) 43gp, 13-37-50 (1.16)
  13. (13) C Mathew Barzal, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) 16gp, 7-11-18 (1.13)
  14. (8) C Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (OHL) 26gp, 11-12-23 (0.88)
  15. (18) D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL) 38gp, 5-33-38 (1.00)
  16. (25) C Filip Chlapik, Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL). 40gp, 19-28-47 (1.18)
  17. (23) C Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL). 44gp, 30-34-64 (1.45)
  18. (12) R Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia Sting (OHL). 34gp, 16-20-36 (1.06)
  19. (15) R Daniel Sprong, Charlettown Islanders (QMJHL) 44gp, 22-26-48 (1.09)
  20. (26) L Jake Debrusk, Swift Current (WHL). 45gp, 24-21-45 (1.00)
  21. (NR) D Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa (OHL) 36gp, 6-34-40 (1.11)
  22. (14) L Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). 28gp, 14-7-21 (0.75)
  23. (28) R Jens Looke, Brynas (SHL). 31gp, 2-4-6 (0.19)
  24. (20) C Travis Konecny, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). 41gp, 19-22-41 (1.00)
  25. (24) D Jakub Zboril, Saint John Seadogs (QMJHL). 33gp, 8-14-22 (0.67)
  26. (19) C Jeremy Bracco, USND (USHL). 9gp, 5-7-12 (1.33)
  27. (21) L Dennis Yan, Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL). 35gp, 19-21-40 (1.14)
  28. (29) C Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL). 28gp, 12-22-34 (1.21)
  29. (27) L Ryan Gropp, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL). 39gp, 16-18-34 (0.87)
  30. (30) R Brock Boeser, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). 29gp, 19-17-36 (1.24)

The numbers are their league totals as of Saturday, with points-per-game in brackets. If the Oilers came out of this draft with Jack Eichel and Jens Looke, how happy should we be? Very happy according to every scout and service who have spoken on the subject.

Mr. Green may prefer Jake DeBrusk, who is Louie DeBrusk’s son and absolutely a trending player. Green may hope that Mathew Barzal falls and perhaps the club can trade up. The Oilers also have an early second round selection so they can make a move as required.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I understand that for some of you the idea of talking draft and college signings is noxious, but it’s important to point out the opportunities are there for an organization that plays its cards right. Is Bob Green the right man to lead the Oilers scouting department?

He’ll be familiar with the WHL kids and has been spending his year pursuing kids like Matt O’Connor. If the Oilers exit day one with Eichel and DeBrusk, plus the college goalie, that could be three major pieces for the future.

Question: Is that enough? Or do you want one or more of those picks traded for immediate help?

  • S0DAP0PS

    Well if MacT is still bringing impatience to this situation I would much rather see some moves that address the here and now rather than plopping more potential gems in our pipeline.

  • Tikkanese

    @LT We are not currently slated to pick 23rd with the Penguins pick. It does not matter where playoff bound teams finish in the standings. For playoff teams, it all depends how deep into the playoffs they go. If the Penguins win the Cup we get the 30th pick. If the Penguins get swept in round 1, we get the 15th pick.

    Let’s hope Fleury implodes in the playoffs yet again.

    • toprightcorner

      Why hope for the penguins to fail? I want to watch Perron go from the worst team in NHL history to winning the cup!

      Besides does it really matter if the oilers pick 17th or 30th? Either way they’re gonna blow the pick and the development like they always do.

    • Lowetide

      I believe, but am not certain, that your statement is incorrect.

      Even playoff teams pick the following year in reverse order of their regular season finish EXCEPT the 4 teams that make the Conference finals and SC Final. Those for teams pick in the 27-30 spots.

      At least this is how it was a couple years ago but might have changed with new CBA.

      • Did some quick reading and my comment is correct with a tweak…

        “The current Stanley Cup champion picks last (30th).

        The Stanley Cup runner-up picks 29th.

        The other two Conference Finalists pick 28th and 27th.

        Regular-season division winners hold the other lowest positions.

        Remaining teams draft in order of fewest points to most points from the previous regular season.”

        So, after the 4 teams that make conference final, the rest of the playoff teams are draft seeded based on regular season results.

      • Tikkanese

        You are more correct than I was. I thought the entire playoffs went that way, and I believe they should but what do I know. Either way, an early exit gets the Oilers a better pick than the Penguins making the final 4.

        “The remaining order is determined by the Stanley Cup playoff results.[7] Whichever team wins the Stanley Cup is awarded the 30th and last pick, while the runner-up is given the 29th pick. The teams eliminated in the conference finals are awarded the 28th and 27th picks, with the 28th pick going to the team with the better regular season record. Remaining division winners are then sorted by points, then the rest of the field are ranked next, filling in the 26th through 15th picks. In both cases, better records result in later picks.”

    • Joy S. Lee

      …or Crosby and Malkin suffer season-ending injuries in a freak collision with Kris Letang – but it’s not all bad as all three should be back for the playoffs, if they make them… if they should be so unfortunate as to miss the playoffs, their card is drawn for the #1 pick, and the Oilers end up with McDavid and Eichel…

      This quick diversion was brought to you by the Wishful Thinking Foundation (c)

  • S0DAP0PS

    Allan, if the Oilers trade Petry at the deadline for draft choices……..given that he may be a rental, ( unless he agrees to sign with the team that he is traded to- Detroit) what would the return look like?

    Just wondering?

      • Tikkanese

        Mactavish said in this interview that they would have two third round picks. They, in fact, only have Ottawa’s third this year. Watch the interview on Oilers.ca

        Petry is as good as gone.

      • Joy S. Lee

        A 3rd? I’m stunned by that assessment. So far as I’m concerned, if Perron fetches a first, so should Petry.

        A 1st, and if they can’t get that, then a 2nd PLUS a 3rd, or some variation thereof. I don’t think they can afford to accept anything less, after letting the situation develop to this point.

        Besides, fans have expressed great respect for Petry’s game now that he’s on the block. That should warrant some return?

        If it starts at a 3rd, then I’d insist on their 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. Now you’ve got something to work with, if you’re going to get later picks for a prime-aged D-man with size and terrific skating ability, and a grind of a learning curve that could potentially make the kid a stud in the future (school of hard knocks can create hard-asses, though Petry isn’t yet one of those) certainly makes that viable. The Islanders were ready to surrender every pick (including the 4th overall) for the second pick a year or two ago. If Petry doesn’t warrant a 1st or 2nd, then he certainly warrants all of the rest, combined. Sure the market will prevail, but you have to ask or you haven’t done your job. And I’m all for lots of picks, whatever round they come in, because this team desperately needs to build some depth.

    • Quicksilver ballet

      I think they could get a first rounder.

      He is afterall leaving with his best years ahead of him. There will actually be 3 or 4 teams interested in Petry.

      Someone’s going to cough up rather large on this player sooner, rather than at the last minute.

      • camdog

        Allan says that he expects a third rounder………I’m going with this projection.

        If we had signed him to a four or five year deal last year……..then I would say we could fetch a first rounder.

        Not good Mac T………he must have been listening to his hair doll of a coach at the time!

        • Quicksilver ballet

          Fair enough Rammer

          A 3 month head star on selling him on a new organization though is worth more I think on a player whose best days are yet to come. Another thing in his favour is he’s making only a medium (not large) dollars to date.

          No matter who ends up with him, Jeff is going to a fresh start and likely to jump at a 5 yr 25 million dollar potential bargain contract for a top 3 blueliner. I feel that’s part of what’s being sold here.

    • toprightcorner

      depending on who he gets traded to and how desperate they are to get Petry. The closer too the deadline I think the less they get. Best case is if LA wants to add a top 4 dman to replace Voynov and want him sooner than later and give a 2nd round pick.

      I would like to see the Oilers trade Petry and 2nd for a teams 1st.

      Unless a a true contender loses a top 4 dman I doubt we get better than a 3rd round pick.

      If a package for a 1st cannot be made, I would rather have a decent AHL prospect that has been developing and succeeding in the AHL and would look to push for an NHL spot next year where a deep team may not have room for him.

  • Tikkanese

    WOW. That 2003 draft was special wasn’t it. Look at all those players who are now in their prime right now. I count only 5 who didn’t go on to have good to great NHL careers:

    Hugh Jessiman
    Robert Nilsson
    MA Pouliot
    Jeff Tambellini
    Shawn Belle

    It’s crazy to think that 3 of the 5 ended up with the Oilers, you all remember that stint with Shawn Belle right, plus you can add in JF Jacques if you want. The Oilers got another one’s dad for a GM for a while to boot. Essentially 2003 has owned the Oilers for the last decade and made them pay for their failures. Crazy when you think about how messing up one draft year can backfire a bit…

    • Tikkanese

      When Shawn Belle was 16 or 17 he played a game against my div 4 men’s league team. He had an uncle on the other team. Anyways he got 6 points without breaking a sweat and he looked like Taylor Hall vs a team full of Mark Frasers. He could have easily scored 20 if he wanted to.

      I hate calling these guys busts or bums because they all will literally skate circles around us armchair GM’s.

  • toprightcorner

    Interestingly out of the bottom 5 players of total NHL games, the Oilers had 2 of them, Pouliot and Nilsson. Nilsson was also considered a significant add by management.

    Hopefully the best draft since 2003 doesn’t give the same results for the Oilers as 2003.

    *(add Belle as I forgot about him but pointed out above, though not considered a significant deal)

  • CMG30

    Might as well make the picks.

    Trading for help immediately does nothing for a team unless it’s already in a competitive space. To put it another way, trading for help now would mean going from ‘the worst’ to ‘really bad’.

    Trade the pick when the return has a chance to position the Oil for a playoff spot.

    • Tikkanese

      If they don’t get a 1st I’d rather they trade for a 20-22 year old prospect as they’d be closer to making the NHL than a 2nd rounder and later pick would. Either that or throw in a pick or prospect if need be to get an NHL’er with term left.

  • Tikkanese

    Man that draft list is painful to look at. 23 out of 30 teams drafted an actual NHL player. And about 12 drafted real difference makers.

    It also reminds me that Edmonton had 2 chances to get Perry. Both in this draft, and in the famous non trade for Mike Comrie.

    Oye. How is this management group still employed?

    Anyway, looking ahead, again, I would be pretty happy with Strome.

    He seems like the type of player who would likely get first overall consideration if not for this being the year of Eichle and McDavid. A big, skilled centre like Strome likely goes first overall in the last 4 years. Maybe not the year McKinnon was drafted, but that’s about it.

    • BubbaZanetti

      I too wouldn’t have an issue with Dylan Strome.
      6′ 3″ – just shy of 190lbs. 2nd line center behind MacDavid and still produces. He wouldn’t be what you consider a sexy pick, but he looks like just a solid two way center. Possibly a “larger” version of the Nuge, which wouldn’t be a bad thing. As much as I’d rather see them get players who can help now, probably not gonna happen so I say load up on more centers.

  • Tikkanese

    Keep the picks and add as many as possible in the first 3 rounds. The law of averages suggest we will at least end up with something useful.

    Right now the Oilers first and second rounder picks and the Pittsburgh first should be untouchable. If trading spare parts can yield additional picks in the top three rounds then we need to go for them.

    Trading picks in this draft for existing players is almost useless because the Oilers are not yet close to being contenders. Until we are contenders that type of move is highly risky and premature.

    Get good players. Develop good players. Keep good players. With MacT, Green and Nelson I believe we finally have the men to do this.

    • Wax Man Riley

      The law of averages only works when you do not have incompetent management and poor scouting / development systems. Just look at that 2003 draft and tell me how successful the Oilers were that year. MAP, Nilsson, and the KLown’s ego to nix the Comrie – Perry trade because he thought he could get money back?

      Until Katz grows a set and turfs the terrible three of KLown, Howson, and MacT, we’re going nowhere.

  • taz115

    As long as the Oil get Debrusk and Tkachev I’ll be happy! Then instead of firing any scouts they can create a whole new President of Scouting Operations (POSO) position so that Messier can finally be given a formal role in the organization. Playoffs to follow.

  • camdog

    Check out the draft record from 2003-2009. Only players still left in our “system” are the soon-to-be-gone Petry, probable tweener Anton Lander and Jordan Eberle (who – my guess – is also not long for the Copper and Blue). That is a huge organizational fail and an enormous factor in our current predicament.

    As a comparison, Detroit over that same period has drafted 15 players that are still with the Wings organization – most taking regular shifts with the big club. Can we trade Petry for even half of their front office?

  • Quicksilver ballet

    I would be scared if Lawson Crouse was still available when the Oil have their second first round pick. At the same time I wouldn’t be if they aquired a third first round pick in the mid 20’s. He reminds me of a Tom Wilson which would be an awesome 3rd line winger that can move up in the roster.

    If the Oil trade a vet for another first round pick (Petry ?? Detroit??) and trade up Pittsburgs 1st + Edmontons 2nd for something in the 15th overall range then that will be a huge win for the Oilers gm (whoever that maybe??) If the Oil walk away with Eikel, a dman, and Lawson Crouse (if he falls till the 20’s which I doubt he will cause he’s big and everyone has ragers for those types of players) plus O’Connor that would be huge for the rebuild. Then in the summer the Oilers can salvage the UFA’s for players that have won in the past (ala Florida Panthers vets are a perfect example of youth and past winning vets mixing together)

  • 2004Z06

    OMG! Picks, picks, picks…Is this fan base seriously accepting another rebuild?

    Trade Petry and a second for a first. Keep the Oil first and package the other two firsts for some actual help on D. Buyout Nikitin, dump Schultz for a 4th round pick, Toxic Taylor Hall for a Goalie, prospect and pick and get this damn train back on the tracks.

  • WTF2

    The Oil need to blow-up the scouting group and start again. Until Lahey and Randy are replaced we will not see a substantial change in scouting results. Making cosmetic changes like anointing Green to be scouting chief doesn’t cut it. The same old, same old is getting really old.

  • MacT's Neglected Helmet

    The 2003 draft was insane. Absolutely mental.

    You posted the first round which included names like: Marc-Andre Fleury, Eric Staal, Nathan Horton, Vanek, Ryan Suter, Braydon Cobourn, Phaneuf, Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown, Seabrook, Parise, Getzlaf, Brent Burns, Kesler, Mike Richards, and Corey Perry.

    But you didn’t post the second round which includes names like: Loui Eriksson, Patrice Bergeon, Shea Weber, David Backes, Jimmy Howard

    Late round gems include: Joe Pavelski, Tobais Enstrom, Dustin Byfuglien

    How the HELL did the Oilers strike out? It boggles the mind.

    Even funnier is that they would go on to acquire many early-round 2003 prospects… but NONE of them panned out either. Not even close: Robert Nilsson (15th), Marc-Antoine Pouliot (22nd), Shawn Belle (30th), Ryan Stone (32nd), Patrick O’Sullivan (56th), Jean-Francois Jacques (68th).

    • Quicksilver ballet

      Think about it like this:

      13 of those players you lauded played in the USA-Canada Gold medal game in Vancouver. And a 14th player (Fleury) was on Canada but not in the lineup.

      As well, aside from the ’08 Red Wings i think every team to win a Stanley Cup since the ’05 lockout has had 2003 draft alumni on their team.

      Great party where everyone went home with a honey. .. except Kevin Lowe.

  • Quicksilver ballet

    I see no reason to be positive about anything this management group does until I see some freakin’ results. Categorically I am not Green with envy.

    It is like trying to patch the hole in the hull of the Titanic with Kleenex.

  • camdog

    Its better than Dave Semenko!!!The oil kings have been pretty successful. The key is if the management includes Katz ….LISTEN!!!! I will give you an example…Nial Yakapov>>should have been Ryan Murray! So it makes me question how much Darryl Katz pulls the strings because its seems like people are running this club like they have no clue!llll Just saying

  • camdog

    picking one or two shows that we have not improved or succeeded at all at filling the hole behind the bench. Instead i would like to see the team improve even if only marginally. If we can show a semblance of success and pick in the top five that would be ideal. dylan strome and hanifin will be all world athletes and fit the needs so if we can get the college goalie a successful coach a top five prospect in either one of these guy plus an asset with the late first pick we will be more successful long term then brining in a number one pick