Don’t trade Hendricks or Gordon

  • Matt the Economist

    Totally agree Gregor. If the team is moving away from a lose mentality and trying to get better then we as fans should join with. The more improvements this team makes, the better. I will only trade these two if they are being replaced by better players.

  • sportsjunkie007

    So… you’re saying the Oilers will definitely trade Gordon and Hendricks?

    BTW, thanks for reminding us that the Flames drafted Marc Jankowski in the first round. That’s alwas a good laugh.

    • tileguy

      We have our own embarrasing first rounders – Jason Bonsignore drafted 4th in the first round! Flames can at lest say Jankowski is still developing for at least 2 more years 🙂 but Bonsignore OUCH!

  • TheBirdOfAnger

    I think Hendricks is a leader in the dressing room. He certainly looks like one on the ice. When was the last time we saw Gordon in a fight? They both have important roles. Keep them. For the love of God, KEEP THEM.

  • ubermiguel

    Once again I have to mention how hard MacT worked to land Hendricks. Very doubtful he’s going anywhere.

    The youth movement didn’t work. Even the old Oilers had their share of guys like Fogilin and Low. I wonder if they forgot about that when guys like Moreau and Horcoff were moved out.

  • bwar

    Respect for ourselves and the team is more important that a high draft pick. dont trade 2 of the better players on our team for the gamble of a draft pick panning out in the future. we need to improve today not in a few years. and MH and BG improve us today

  • Jason Gregor

    Bravo, great article.

    We should sign Klinkhammer while we’re at it.

    7 years Is a long time to be without an shutdown checking line, and I certainly don’t want to see the Oilers going back to square one throwing kids to the wolves nest year.

    We have the makings of a halfway decent roster and a good coach, how about adding more and better NHL talent, especially on the blue line rather than tearing it down and starting over-3 more years in the desert style.

  • Tikkanese

    I said it before in one of the 5 other articles about trading Hendricks or Gordon. You don’t trade either unless it’s at least a 1st coming back.

    The odds of a round 2 or later playing the same amount of NHL GP in their careers to what Gordon or Hendricks will give you before the end of their contracts is something like 25%.

    Not worth it.

  • tileguy

    @Jason Gregor

    I enjoyed and agreed with much of the article but can people please stop using phrases such as “many analytics guys”. What does that even mean? You mean hockey fans? I don’t think any of the ‘analytics guys’ have ever said it is impossible for a player such as Hendricks to continue to play well. The argument is that it is extremely likely for Hendricks play to decline based on his age compared to previous players of the same age.

    • Jason Gregor

      Can you show me the players who have declined from 33 to 34 who were similar players to Hendricks

      I’d be curious to see who they are.

      And many wrote about it, guys like Dellow and Willis to name a few. Analytics guys are people who write about it in my books. They do the research and put their name behind it. I respect that.

  • tileguy

    JG wrote “He is also the vocal leader in the room. He has challenged the young players to take hold of the team and become a leader. He’s done it in a positive way, but the Oilers don’t have many vocal leaders and his value is more than just his solid play on the ice.”

    Nice if it’s true, but have you any real (anecdotal) evidence that backs that statement up. I would love to know why you think he is a leader in the dressing room.

    • Jason Gregor

      Every player is on record as stating he is the vocal leader. He also was on my show and he said, “It is time one of our young guys takes over the team. This has to become their team.”

      This is not new. Players said he added a lot of energy the minute he came in the room.

      • Burnward

        I’ve gathered that you are not a huge proponent of the analytical community Gregor, but I’m not sure predicting that a player’s ability will drop in their mid-thirties is using advanced stats so much as knowledge of how humans work…

        I agree that I would like to see Hendricks in oiler silks next year but it should be acknowledged that every year you hold on to a contract of a player in his thirties you are taking a big risk in seeing his ability-dollar ratio plummet. And no, it does not happen “magically”, but as a result if a natural aging process. A person slows down and their joints experience wear and tear regardless of how many nhl years they have.

        As much as myself and oiler fans love Hendricks, the guy is a beast, if the RIGHT offer comes along, you have to take it I’d say. MAYBE Hendricks is one of those guys who can play forever and still be effective, but those dudes are pretty rare. Odds are Hendricks won’t be a part of an oiler playoff push (because he’ll be 60, get it?! Hur Hur Hur), so it comes down to asset management. We can try and move whatever young prospect or pick we get in return for an established veteran in his late 20s later, but right now we have to ask the tough question, is two years of Matt Hendricks, admittedly admirable but likely to decline, fourth line work worth more than whatever assets we can get for him now? Depends on what the return is, if you ask me. Then again people rarely do, haha.

        • Jason Gregor

          So you want to trade Hendricks because he might decline and get a mid round pick in return that history shows has a very low % of actually playing in the NHL?

          How is that a smart decision? Hendricks might slow down, but I doubt his game drops off next year and in the final year of his deal the team can play him 10 minutes instead of 12 if need be.

          What is the right offer? I always hear this phrase and it means nothing. It is usually an offer that would never occur. Look at trade history and return on Hendricks is at best a 2nd round pick or a more likely a 3rd.

          Trading him for that makes the Oilers worse.

          • Jason Gregor

            Couldn’t agree more.

            They also better be trading that Pitts first round pick for NHL players. I’d trade the oilers 1st to if it isn’t one of the first 2

            Stop being a terrible team and get NHL players

          • Burnward

            Hi Gregor, appreciate the response.

            I agree with your assessment that the oilers would be worse without Hendricks but my argument is that for the right deal (I’m not great at predicting trade returns but maybe a 2nd or 3rd and/or a young player in the AHL with a decent shot of making the show), yes, is still a smart move from an asset management perspective.

            Your point that there is a low percentage chance of picks or prospects panning out is fair. I just think you understate the risk of his ability plummeting. In the modern era, by the age of 34, 84% of nhl players have already retired. Even if you try and adjust for players who’s career flamed out early, screwing the results, (say before they hit free agency) you still get 76.8% of players being out of the game by the time they get to their mid 30s. That’s not even taking Hendricks’ coveted hard-hitting style into account.

            Either way you’re taking a risk, and I could probably be persuaded that draft picks or prospects are a bigger risk than 2 more years of Hendricks at 1.85 million. But a draft pick in 2015 and especially 2016 will probably retain value longer (because it will be an unknown value for at least a while) and can be traded again as a package for established talent or maybe even used to draft a legitimate player (you know what they say about blind squirrels).

            I guess what it comes down to is while I value Hendricks leadership skills and passion, I don’t know if two more years of it, at 1.85 million, with significant risk of decline in his actual abilities, on a team that will not be making deep playoff runs during that time, is worth more than a 2nd round pick, or maybe a late round and a prospect. Of course I don’t see them getting that kind of offer for Hendricks so the question is probably moot.

        • Jason Gregor

          Brett, or whatever name, I didn’t edit it. Editor did and I back him, since I didn’t see post. That poster makes snide remarks all the time, and writing “Try to keep up” was a simple little jab. If he can dish it out be able to handle it. That was far from anything personal or rude and the fact is Hendrick’s leadership has been discussed openly for months.

  • Randaman

    It sounds like a lot of people here need to keep up.

    Hendricks talks to guys on the bench, even had a shouting match with Nelson. Its been stated several times the past two seasons in newspaper articles and blogs that he is vocal in the room.

    Act stupid, expect to be treaed stupid.

  • STIXLER

    No team with a chance at the playoffs is trading a roster player at the trade deadline. If you can make a “hockey trade” with another seller(cellar) team that actually improves the team you consider it. Actual good teams don’t trade players like Gordon or Hendricks until a prospect forces himself into the equation and makes them expendable.

  • HoLLyWooD

    Completely agree Gregor! But really, I haven’t heard cries or anything remotely close to trade “Hendricks or Gordon” However, sitting here in remote BC might have that effect.

    Alas, If you’re an Oiler fan with half a brain, it’s pretty easy to see how valuable these guys are.

    These guys aren’t the reason we’re going to pick high in the draft; far from. These are the guys that are stopping us from picking first overall (again).

    And I for one want them on MY team at the end of the day; every day of the week.

    Why? Cause they WANT to WIN. And won’t take NO for an answer. Wish the rest would follow suit, regardless of paycheque amount.

  • Harry2

    I am tickled pink that someone finally wrote this article. Thank you Gregor. Trading either one of those guys is pure idiocy.

    On a side note. That Jankowski pick made byvUnvle Feaster still makes me laugh

  • tileguy

    I don’t put Gordon and Hendricks in the same category.

    Gordon is a better player, plays a more important role, is younger, and tougher to replace.

    Keep Gordon, move Hendricks, IMO, although you can make an argument for moving Gordon as well if the right opportunity arises, IMO.

  • tileguy

    Really good ending there…not sure why everyone else that writes on here is so aghast at Marancin not playing for the big club. Is there any reason contract/Asset Mngmt. wise to have him playing with the Oilers?

    Oh whaddya know. Old Six Rings comes out of his cave to wax poetic with Bob Stuffer. Hard hitting journalism there. What a company baggage handler.

  • Jason Gregor

    You clearly edited your own comment. No ownership on your words there. Pretty cowardly.
    If you’re offering hugs, I’m open to that. We could do it on the air. We will call the segment “hugs at pubs”. See you at the druid.

    • Jason Gregor

      Gregor, I have no idea how you deal with buffoons like this guy. Easily one of the biggest whiners I’ve read on here in awhile.

      I wish the Nation would vote for which posters we could block for a month. Could this be one of the polls.

      The constant whiners or less than intelligent ones could be banned for a month. It would make the site even better.

      Please anyone at the Nation let me know if this is possible.

  • Jason Gregor

    Maybe people missed it and maybe people missed the ramifications that this article had some open praise for mgt: “He is a perfect example of why there is nothing wrong with playing Martin Marincin in OKC this season” there are a few players now that are actually developing down in the minors. We might not all the timing or how they got there, but the Oilers are actually now starting to do it…

    • Jason Gregor

      Keep it up Brett. I’m on air. I don’t edit site and host a live radio show. Seems like you need a hug. I addressed your complaint. You don’t like it. Oh well. Move on.

      • Jordan88

        Hey Gregor,

        I like the idea of keeping Gordon on our 4th line.

        The man is a work horse and no one ever talks about him because. He just does exactly what is expected of him kudos to him.

        Hendricks, This guy is nothing but gold, he is vocal regardless of what anyone else can say you can see it on the benches at games.

        I say they remain Oilers until such time as Yakimov, Khaira, or Moroz can challenge for those spots. Then and only then should they be moved.

        • Jason Gregor

          Right now he is their 3rd line C, which makes him even more valuable.

          Of those three prospects, if one of them become a regular NHLer that will be great for the Oilers. Moroz and Khaira have a few more years at least of development based on how they’ve played this year.

          Yakimov is a bit ahead, and might get a few games next year. I’m with you in thinking no reason to rush out veterans until they have young players who are, “over ripe,” to quote Ken Holland.

  • Burnward

    Hendricks and Gordon have been 2 of the bright spots on this struggling team.
    They both give their all every night and are exceptional role models to emulate.
    Klinkhammer is also making an impact on this team.
    Don’t be foolish and overlook the very important supporting cast!

  • bwar

    If you’re getting a first in this years draft I would trade Gordon or Hendricks. If you’re getting a late second I wouldn’t. I love Hendricks but if someone is willing to give you a first round pick for a fourth line guy in his 30’s you do it.

  • WTF2

    Well we have confirmed you’re stunned. Now let’s think about what Randy can get for these two veterans rather than refusing to answer the phone.

    On second thought, given the lousy scouting and player development record the Oil are well known for, your plea to hold onto Gordon and Hendricks may have some merit after all.

  • Randaman

    With Gordon and Hendricks we are a 29th place team in a 30 team league. That plan is not working!

    Gordon is a UFA in 2017.

    If we trade him this year he is work a first round pick….

    If we trade him next year (because is not re-signing here) he worth a third round pick …

  • Harry2

    Lander had one, ONE good game. This does not mean he is NHL ready.

    Leave the bottom six alone and do something about the top six. They aren’t getting the job done.

    Don’t sign petry for more than 3.5.

    Thank you

  • bradleypi

    The reason you trade them is asset management. I would only trade one of them ans not both. I can’t see them staying at this level for their next contracts and they will have real value possibly now. Their contracts are on the high side for what they do.
    That is only contigent on getting something of value back for these players. Not just draft picks but prospects or a roster player too.

  • WTF2

    Mat The economist:

    Strome With Mcdavid 13gm 2.62 PPG

    Strome Without Mcdavid 33Gm 1.61 PPG

    both plyaers experienced 1PPG reduction when seperated.

    Could we have a Marner-Dvork score affect.

  • Bucknuck

    I am so happy to see an article like this. I agree with every point. This team needs to forget the entry draft exists and makes decisions based on making the playoffs next year, not five years from now.