Monday Mailbag – March 30th

Mailbag

The weekend is over, we’re all back to work, and looking (read: needing) for ways to kill time. Enter the mailbag.  As always, I’ve taken your questions, passed them to our panel of writers, and waited for wisdoms to spill out of their heads.  If you want to ask a question, email me at baggedmilk@oilersnation.com or hit me up on Twitter at @jsbmbaggedmilk. Enjoy.

1) Ham and Bun asks – Some chat about Draisaitl playing the wing next year in the NHL vs playing centre in the AHL… what is your opinion on what would be better for his development?

Jason Gregor:

If he is ready for NHL then he can stay and the wing is easier, especially in defensive zone. He turns 20 in October, so he is essentially the same age Eberle was when he debuted in the NHL. If he is ready and beats out some players for a roster spot then he can stay, but the Oilers should not just hand him a spot in lineup like they did last October.

Jonathan Willis:

I think penciling him in for AHL duty is the way to go; start him in the minors and if he produces bring him up but don’t count on him to be an NHL player. If he does come up, there’s no reason he can’t start on the wing, either. Lots of pivots around the league have played (and sometimes still play) on the wings and it’s a little ridiculous the club didn’t try it this season.

Matt Henderson:

I guess it all depends on where he is at the start of the year but if the Oilers want to start him in the AHL on one of their top lines and he proves to be an NHL talent BUT there isn’t a spot for him down the middle then let him take a spot on the wing. Lots of young talented centers started their NHL career on the wing.

Jeanshorts:

Ideally you’d have him stay at centre. It’s one of the hardest positions to play in hockey, one of the biggest holes in the Oilers depth chart, and as we’ve seen with Nuge it takes a while to get the hang of winning a draw in the bigs. I wouldn’t be super opposed to him starting the season on the wing IF he blows the doors off training camp and they absolutely need to keep him on the team, but if it were up to me I’d have him start at centre for the B̶a̶r̶o̶n̶s̶ Condors, let him slowly wade back into the pro game and take it from there. LET HIM LEARN TO AT LEAST DOGGY PADDLE BEFORE THROWING HIM IN THE OCEAN MACT! 

Lowetide:

I think the key is he must earn the NHL job. If it’s a LW gig, that’s fine. For me, Leon’s skill set should mean he’s a strong candidate for any job opening. I think 40 AHL games wouldn’t hurt him at all but we’re talking months until NHL-ready as opposed to years.

Jason Strudwick:

I felt that he should have been in junior this season. I feel he should start next season in the AHL at centre. Let him keep his confidence. 

Robin Brownlee:

Haven’t heard that from anybody in a decision-making position in the organization. Won’t know for sure about where Draisaitl best fits until we see who is added, via the draft, trades and free agency, during the off-season.

Baggedmilk:

The smart thing for the organization to do would be to let Draisaitl develop properly. I’d say to start him in the AHL and go from there. If he’s ripping it up in the A, call him up and make him earn his minutes. Handing him the #2 C spot this year because they had no better option was completely ridiculous and 100% Oilers.

Stories

2) Craig Smallwood asks – In your opinion which “stories” have been under and over reported this season?

Jason Gregor: 

Under reported: What a great show American Crime is. Over reported: That people still think coaching was/is main issue on Oilers. Coaches don’t play and none win without good players.

Jonathan Willis:

I’m not sure if you mean around Edmonton or the NHL in general, but for the sake of this answer I’ll assume you mean around the league. On the under-reported side, I’d point to the strides being made in Colorado (and in particular the fine play of Tyson Barrie). On the over-reported side, by default we have to go to Toronto, and of the various Leafs stories I’d say Phil Kessel, Coach Killer has to be at the top of the list.

Matt Henderson:

MacT trading away quality players in the middle of their careers for picks hasn’t been reported enough. The way MacT handled Petry only got a lot of MSM play right at the end. That could have been tackled more thoroughly.  The “Mood of the room” has probably been over reported even if I think what’s been written is accurate.

Jeanshorts:

Over reported has been Taylor Hall and his “behavioural issues” or his not towing the mythical team line or whatever. We’ve seen this cycle before with Ovechkin, Kessel, Seguin, Kane, the other Kane, etc, etc, etc. It’s just one of those things where the bullseye is constantly moving when a team is under performing, and Hall just happens to be one of the Oilers biggest targets.

Under reported is the quiet and steady progression of both Marincin and Klefbom. Obviously they’ve had their bad moments, like literally every other young player in the history of the NHL, but for the most part they’ve been two of the most consistent Oiler defenders all year, which is crazy for two guys with a combined age of 44. It’s also indicative of the sad state of the Oilers depth overall, but that’s another mailbag….

Lowetide:

Under reported? Wow. Let me think. Under reported. Okay. I’ll go with Martin Marincin’s steady, reliable play. 

Over reported? Probably Jeff Petry’s role on the team. I contributed. 🙂 Sorry about that!

Jason Strudwick:

Good question. The most under reported story is of a Great Dane eating 43 socks in the Portland area and surviving. This kept me up at nights until I knew he was going to make it. Most over reported was Kim Kardashian going platinum blonde.

Robin Brownlee:

The decreasing number of actual fans in the seats at Rexall Place hasn’t had as much play as it deserves as the Oilers keep announcing sell-outs. Neither has the impending impact of the de-valued Canadian dollar. The attempt by some to push advanced stats/analytics to the forefront at warp-speed got tired early in the season. I say use them as you see fit rather than writing and talking about using them. It’s an evolution not a revolution.

Baggedmilk:

I was going to say that the most underreported story of the season is how Nugey is growing into a manboy right in front of our eyes, but now that I read Strudwick’s story about that Great Dane I’m not so sure. Over reported story? The fact that the Oilers felt that Petry wasn’t part of the future. There’s a reason it was reported so much.

Regression

3) Joel Short asks – Is Klefbom performing better than Marincin did a year ago?  What are the chances that Klefbom regresses like Marincin did this season?

Jason Gregor:

I felt Klefbom was better last year. I liked his game. He is stronger and better at breaking up the cycle. I don’t think Marincin has regressed, I think too many who follow analytics overvalued his Corsi rating last year.

Jonathan Willis:

They’re different players. Marincin can play a quietly competent defensive game in tough minutes that simply isn’t Klefbom’s forte, while Klefbom’s raw athletic talent is significantly higher than Marincin’s. I don’t know that Klefbom is performing better (despite the general manager’s assurances, I don’t think he and Schultz have been a solid top pairing) but to me his ceiling is a lot higher and his physical tools are such that regression seems less likely. I’m honestly not sure that regression is the right word for Marincin, either. If he and Petry had been treated as a pairing out of camp (as opposed to getting stuck with Martin Gernat/Keith Aulie) and kept together I’m not sure we’d have seen any drop-off from the tandem’s work last season.

Matt Henderson:

Marincin was fantastic last year playing with Petry. I might rank Klefbom’s performance slightly ahead, if anything, because he’s been forced to do it paired with Schultz. Klefbom is the Anchor of that pairing (scary). Marincin’s “regression” is probably overstated because Eakins and MacT banished him. He has maintained strong numbers despite difficult starts and opponents. I expect all young defensemen to struggle with consistency though.

Jeanshorts:

First off I don’t agree that Marincin has regressed much, if at all. Like I said in my last answer he’s had his off games, but he’s ONLY 23! And he hasn’t had the luxury of being sheltered on a low pairing this season, or not having to drag around guys like Ference or Aulie. And SURPRISINGLY both he and Klefbom have played the best hockey of their careers so far with Jeff Petry (grumble grumble grumble). If MacT is able to go out and get a legit, veteran top four defender to help shepherd Klefbom (and Marincin) along he’ll be fine. HOWEVER if they decide to run some kind of Nurse/Klefbom combo or have Klefbom paired up with some guy who has played a grand total of 23 NHL games over a nine year pro career then we’ll probably run into some problems. Again, I don’t think that will be a case of Klefbom regressing, more of a “getting thrown to the wolves” type of scenario.

Lowetide:

Great questions. I think Klefbom is a more aggressive, dynamic player and has outperformed MM from last season. As for regression, it’s impossible to know. I will say he’s a very bright kid whose issues defensively are more a matter of experience (he needs to fly multiple sorties just like every kid blue) as opposed to something missing from his game. 

Jason Strudwick:

Klefbom, (pronounced “Klefboom” in Finland”) has a stronger defensive game. He is more physical and he will always have that to fall back on.

Robin Brownlee:

Different players playing for different coaches. I think Klefbom has progressed more steadily and quicker than Marincin did. He is also more physically ready to play at the NHL level. A lot of players regressed under Dallas Eakins. My main concern with Klefbom is he will be pushed into minutes he’s not yet capable of handling if the Oilers don’t find more depth on the blue line.

Baggedmilk:

Part of me thinks that people are overreacting when the Oilers send Marincin down to the farm. I mean, the kid is 23 and still has some kinks to work out so why not get them worked out on the farm? That said, that same team thinks Nikitin is a top-4 defenceman… Happy day!

Klefbom, for his part, is showing some of that potential that the Oilers raved about when they drafted him. I think Klefbom is going to have a good long career, but I’d still like him playing lower in the batting order than first pairing, but this is the Oilers we’re talking about.

SilverLinings

4) Adam V. asks – Are there any positives to be taken out of this season? If so what are they?

Jason Gregor:

Kleffbom is emerging. RNH is still improving.

Jonathan Willis:

Anton Lander’s emergence is the biggest positive in my view. He’s always had the ability (readers on this site had to be sick of me singing his praises in OKC last year) but he couldn’t get over the hump. Now he’s here and he seems to be a player. 

Matt Henderson:

RNH as an even strength scorer. Klefbom as a legit young defender with a bright future. Eberle and Yak’s revival under Nelson. Should draft a great young player.

Jeanshorts:

Well the players certainly seem to like Uncle Todd a lot more, that’s for sure! Yak’s resurgence is obviously a huge plus and great to see, and I’ve been very happy with how Lander has been progressing during the latter half of this season. Nuge is about to go supernova any minute now and Eberle is continuing to prove he’s capable of more than just riding shotgun with Hall. As mentioned earlier I think Klefbom and Marincin are going to be huge assets going forward. Down on the farm Laurent Brossoit and Bogdan Yakimov have been making some solid headway. You REALLY have to root around but I think there are quite a few positives to take away from another complete disaster of a season. There IS a light at the end of this tunnel! It’s an incredibly small sliver and it could (and probably will) cave in at any moment, BUT IT’S THERE I’VE SEEN IT! 

Lowetide:

Yes. I’ll count the late development of men like Anton Lander and Martin Marincin, along with Oscar Klefbom’s emergence. Nail has his smile back and I think the Oilers may have their next coach. Nuge/Eberle turned up the heat late too. There’s not enough for a successful season but there are good arrows.

Jason Strudwick:

Yes. That it will soon be over.

Robin Brownlee:

I like the improvements we’ve seen from Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle (in the second half), Nail Yakupov and Klefbom. The power-play has returned to the levels of efficiency we saw under Ralph Krueger.

Baggedmilk:

I think the play of little Nugey could be taken as a positive this year. We’re seeing this kid take steps towards becoming an elite centreman, and it’s been exciting to watch. There’s also the amazing story of how Nail Yakupov turned around not only his season, but potentially his career. He went from having absolutely nothing going on to having that smile on his face that we all saw during his rookie season. To think that Dallas Eakins almost wiped that smile off his face is a tragedy.

Goat

5) Vetinari asks – We are nearing the end of the season so who would be your Oiler nominee for the following awards and why: Team MVP, Best New Oiler, Most Improved Oiler, Best Oiler Prospect, and Goat of the Year.

Jason Gregor:

MVP: Nugent-Hopkins. Has been consistent all year and faces tough competition every game.

Best New Oiler: Pouliot. He has matched his career-high in goals with 16 in only 49 games. A nice complementary player who can play on the top line. 

Most Improved: Not many fit in this category. Between RNH and Klefbom. I’d lean to RNH because he has played so many minutes and hasn’t worn down.

Best prospect: Darnell Nurse. Played very well at WJC and his overall game is maturing and he has more 

patience in his game.

GOAT: MacTavish. He didn’t give team a chance at the start of the year by only having two NHL centres, and last summer he chose Nikitin over re-signing Petry. 

Jonathan Willis:

Most Valuable Player: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

Best New Oiler: Benoit Pouliot

Most Improved Oiler: Anton Lander

Best Oiler Prospect: Darnell Nurse

Goat of the Year: Ben Scrivens

Matt Henderson:

Team MVP: RNH – Consistent performance all year. Played more per game than every other forward in the NHL. Might be captain one day. 

Best New Oiler: Derek Roy – Solidified the 2C spot (at least temporarily) and works hard to make his guys better. Key part in unlocking Yak’s confidence.

Most Improved Oiler: Yakupov – The GM has admitted to almost giving up on this young man. That’s how close we were to seeing him somewhere else. Finishing the season VERY strong. 

Best Oiler Prospect: Leon Draisaitl – A dominant performance in a tough WHL where he produced more points per estimated minutes than anyone else. He’s still on track to be the 2C of the future for the Oilers. 

Goat of the Year: Nikita Nikitin. He’s taking Jeff Petry’s money and burning it to ash. He’s a brutal defenseman with AHL speed and the GM believes in him ahead of real players. It’s not his fault, but the Oilers probably make better decisions with their roster if that 4.5M was free to use on Petry (not that MacT sees why he would need that much).

Jeanshorts:

Team MVP: Eberle. HE IS THE BEST EVER AT EVERYTHING ESPECIALLY ATB COMMERCIALS! 

Best New Oiler: Derek Roy. His sage wisdom and Mumford & Sons haircut has made him a perfect fit for these young ragamuffins. 

Most Improved Oiler: I mean, there was a pretty loud chorus of people who wanted Yak sent back to Russia, and they’ve gotten quieter and quieter with each laser beam he snipes. 

Best Oiler Prospect: Leon Draisaitl has taken the WHL by storm in only half a season. Kid is going to be an absolute monster (god-willing they don’t screw him up somehow). 

Goat Of The Year: MacT talks way too much, which is amazing considering his feet always seem to be in his mouth, the team has gotten abjectly worse, or AT MOST stagnated under his watch so far and I think the only person who still has faith in him turning this ship around is Kevin Lowe.

Lowetide:

Team MVP: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. No brainer. Baby Nuge is going all Man Nuge on the NHL. 

Best New Oiler: Benoit Pouliot. Outstanding player. 

Most Improved Oiler: Anton Lander. Lordy. 

Best Oiler Prospect: In the NHL? Klefbom. Outside the NHL? Nurse just a little ahead of Leon. 

Goat of the Year: Goaltending. Good Christ, can’t anyone stop the puck?

Jason Strudwick:

MVP- Nuge/Gordon 

Best new oiler – Pouliot

Most Improved – Nuge

Best Oiler Prospect – Draisaitl

Goat of the Year – I will pass on this one. I haven’t been to a goat show in a number of fort nights.

Robin Brownlee:

MVP is RNH. Best new Oiler is Pouliot. Most improved is Yakupov. Best prospect is Klefbom. Goat is Nikita Nikitin.

Baggedmilk:

MVP: Nuge. Even with the season going as badly as it has, he’s taken this team over. I think we’re looking at the next Oilers captain. It may not happen right away, but stitch the C on this kid’s jersey when he’s old enough to shave.

Best New Oiler: Has to be Pou Bear. He’s set a career high in goals despite being sidetracked with injuries a little bit. A nice story in a crappy, awful, angering season.

Most Improved: Anton Lander. With how this guy is playing right now can you imagine that he was on waivers earlier in the season? Ridiculous, right? I also want to vote for Yak because he’s turned his season around from a complete disaster.

Best Oiler Prospect: Has to be a toss up between Draisaitl and Nurse right? You would think.

Goat of the Year: Nikitin is too easy. He’s awful and shouldn’t be on the roster. Jultz would also be a contender for the horns this year, but I’ll give him a pass based on youth and inexperience. The emperor of this goat gathering has to be MacT. Either he has zero ability to judge talent (see Nikitin comma Nikita) or there needs to be massive reforms in the Oilers vision plan. MacT, this is your team and these are your horns. 

    • vetinari

      Love that answer. For Goat of the Year, I keep drifting between Nikitin, Schultz, Scrivens and Fasth, or alternately the man who assembled and signed Nikitin, Schultz, Scrivens and Fasth for our roster thinking that they were good enough.

      Nuge seems like the run away MVP and is going to be a force in this league for years. Pouliot has been very good and looks great next to Nuge and Eberle. Most improved to me is Lander (back with a vengeance from the AHL scrap heap). Best prospect, I think, is likely Nurse– if he can become our nasty, physical, puck moving answer on D, the blueline may have its anchor for the next ten years.

  • S cottV

    Maybe try recruiting a systems oriented Coach who preaches and teaches that team defence isn’t just an after thought – it’s the priority.

    Might find the problem isn’t as much the goaltending as we think. aka Dubnyk.

  • SSB1963

    “Goat of the Year?” has to be MacT. I have defended him in the past as not starting this mess, but he hasn’t made the necessary changes to recify them either. Starting the Year without two bonified NHL centers and a pourous defence only adds up to one thing. LOSSES!

    • Hemmercules

      I was really rooting for Mact in the beginning, not just because I love the team but I wanted to see Mact build something great after losing in the cup final. He has now become the goat of the century. Every gamble he tried this year completely blew up in his face and I can see it happening again in October. Katz really needs to release these guys, the stress alone they have endured the last few year probably aged them twice as fast as normal.

      • SSB1963

        To be fair to MacT he has made some good moves in regards to ridding ourselves of the Horcoff contract (but I still believe we miss what Horcoff brought to the table), Smid to a lesser degree (did bring back a decent goaltending prospect) although I miss his toughness on D.

        • Hemmercules

          I would take Horcoff and Smid over Nikitin and Draisaitl last October, no question.

          I think Mact’s best moves were getting Perron, picking up Roy and firing Eakins. Even when you break down those 3 good moves they look kinda bad (hired Eakins then fired him way too late, Roy was passed on by 29 other teams and he traded Perron away for magic beans).

  • 50 in 39

    The Nuge is awesome. It is easy to forget that when he was drafted 1st overall it was for the eventual ceiling he would reach. He was not considered among the most NHL ready of prospects even though he ended up having a stellar rookie season. No mistake made with that pick.

  • S cottV

    Goat of the year is defo MacT, hands down. If they handed out ‘rings’ for the award he’d surpass KLowe in no time.

    And yes KLowe, that is reason for concern!

  • S cottV

    Goat of the Year………Dallas Eakins!

    Absolutely every player regressed under his watch. The only thing that improved under his watch is now the players know how to Chop Water.

    Can anyone say DAMN FOOL!

  • BlazingSaitls

    Eakins was not 100% the “issue” Gregor, but lets not kid ourselves please. Eakins was a large part of the issue.

    Eakins is not a NHL caliber coach. Not by a long shot.

    • Oilers-Entourage

      Gregor saying that Eakins was not the problem……..is like saying a Business Leader has no effect on the group he manages, because they do the work?

      This is totally bereft of any logic and most people can see through this…….thank God!

      • Jason Gregor

        It is rather amazing how you interpret things.

        “That people still think coaching was/is main issue on Oilers. Coaches don’t play and none win without good players.”

        No where did I say Eakins was not the problem, I said he isn’t the main problem.

        The Oilers are still terrible under Nelson. Last year they improved in the 2nd half of the season under Eakins as well.

        The team, as it is, with Nelson or Babcock will not win. You two can keep believing it was all Eakins, but fact is he isn’t the one building the team.

        And this team has too many soft players who do not compete hard enough to win in the NHL. If you keep believing a coach will magically change that then you will be constantly disappointed.

        • BlazingSaitls

          The way Eakins managed a healthy line-up was an complete farce. The way Eakins managed training camp, the roster during training camp, and the roster after training camp was a complete farce. The way Eakins managed Yak during his entire tenure was a complete farce.

          Eakins may not have been given “good players” as you say but what Eakins did with the players he had was a complete disaster in every sense of the word. He took a team of young guns and turned them into a team of dejected losers. It was as painful as Ive ever seen. I can only imagine how the players felt in the locker room.

          There is no defense of Eakins, roster or not.

  • Jeanshorts – It’s ‘toeing’ the line, not ‘towing’. Think of a military inspection and everyone is lining up with their toes on the line.

    Don’t mean to come off like a grammar Nazi. It’s a really old saying 😉

  • Randaman

    What a COP OUT by Struds on the goat question. SAD!

    You’re not in the dressing room anymore. Please start to call it as you see it instead of still wanting to be part of the group.

  • Serious Gord

    1. Draisaitl should not be on the team under any circumstance barring injury emergency call-up. Sure he might be NHL ‘ready’ but he will be more ready and able to play at a more accomplished level if he gets a whole season (or more) in the AHL to work on his craft. Next season is a lost cause already. Minimizing damage to prospects in a losing environment like next season almost assuredly will be, should be a priority.

    2. Most over-reported – that nelson is doing a very good job – he is doing an adequate job.

    most under-reported: the findings of Nicholson’s audit. Wait… What?

    3. Due to their young age/lack of nhl experience and the Eakins affect it is difficult to tell whether they have progressed or not. I don’t think either has made any breakthrough and being such different types of player comparisons are kind of unfair if inevitable.

    4. That eakins is gone. second – that the goalie coach is gone.

    5. I agree with strudwick across the board

    Most Valuable Player: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

    Best New Oiler: Benoit Pouliot

    Most Improved Oiler: Anton Lander

    Best Oiler Prospect: Darnell Nurse

    Goat of the Year: Ben Scrivens

  • Jaxon

    Most Valuable Player: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins followed closely by Jordan Eberle and they achieved that without Hall.

    Best New Oiler: Benoit Pouliot. His play on the top line and a career best year by a long shot. He’s a keeper. How anyone is plus 3 on this team is beyond me.

    Most Improved Oiler: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (showed what a summer of working on the little things can do for a player). Lander is a close second for his return to the NHL to show he is ready.

    Best Oiler Prospect: I think Draisaitl edges out Nurse because he has shown he can keep up and compete in the NHL already and can compltetely dominate in the WHL. Darnell Nurse has had an amzaing year and he should be a monster on the back end when he finally arrives. One that can eat up big minutes.

    Goat of the Year: Most deserving: Nikita Nikitin followed by Justin ‘Jultz’ Schultz. I think the goaltending has been a bit undeserving of the goat label because of the porous defence in front of them. I think shot quality affects SV% more than people acknowledge.

    If NHL awards had an Oilers version:

    Oilers Lady Byng goes to Jordan Eberle.

    Oilers Calder goes to Oscar Klefbom who edged out Draisaitl before his return to junior.

    Oilers Norris goes to hmmm. Jeff Petry? :-(…if not Petry, then umm Mark Fayne or Oscar Klefbom? Definitely not to Mr. Jultz Norris.

    Bill Masterson Memorial goes to Brandon Davidson for fighting back from cancer and making his NHl debut this year and playing 5 competent games for the Oilers. Awesome.

    Jack Adams (we can do it this year since we’ve had 2 coaches) goes to Todd Nelson for getting inspired play out of Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins as well as Yakupov, Klefbom, Marincin and Lander.

    Selke obviously goes to Gordon, but I think Pouliot makes a good case for himself. Nugent-Hopkins could be a future candidate for the entire NHL

    King Clancy award goes to Ference for leadership on the ice and contributions to the community. The guy is a team player and a saint. (he won the real NHL award last season, so he’s a pretty easy pick) although Yakupov seems to be making strides in this area too.

    Mark Messier leadership award. That’s a tough one. Nuge? Ference? Gordon? Pouliot? I think that’s a pick that you’d have to know more about the locker room culture.

  • Serious Gord

    I like the Nuge all year, he is hands down the best 11 year old boy in the NHL. Most improved is YakCity, every time this guy beams one in or strips someone of the puck Eakins cringes a bit more. Best new Oiler is between the Pou and Roy, the Pou is solid on the puck and can compliment any line one thru three. Roy has singlehanded lay become the Russian Sniper whisperer. Best Rookie is Klefbom, he is going to keep getting better win seven Norris Trophies and have a bronze statue erected outside of city hall. Well that might be stretching it. Goat is Oilers Management, from keeping Eakins after last year to starting the season with barely any defence or having only two NHL centres. Prediction for next year, Dallas Eakins finds his calling as a MILF Pornstar and changes his name to Nails MacKreuger.

  • Serious Gord

    I’m not letting Mac T off the hook for assembling an incomplete team………we both agree on that.

    But not holding Eakins responsible for being unprepared with a roster ( you know all the issues here) to start the season exacerbated the issue.

    We all know that Eakins was a polorizing and divisive figure…….not a unifying type of coach and therefore the results were predictiable.

    You have never acknowledged that and if you did…….please highlight.