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One week ago, we were comparing Dylan Strome to Noah Hanifin, talking about small steps next season and trying to figure out the real meaning of 11.5%. This Friday? Absolutely insane.

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It’s still beyond belief, suspect I’ll need to see the young man in training camp before it will register. Oilers fans who had long since given up on the team sent me texts with dozens of emojis (well no, but the words were all in caps) in an amazing mass return to the Oildrop. It was too long away, but the lottery win gave life to young and old, across the universe.//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

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Bob Nicholson emerged on Monday to tell us he was the de facto head of OEG, responsible for all departments, business and hockey ops. It was a power drive worthy of Bruce Springsteen and the timing (as we’re trying to piece things together) may have had something to do with an event in faraway Boston.

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Chiarelli fell out of favor with the Bruins and came available last week. I thought the Ottawa Senators made the most sense and didn’t think for one minute the Oilers would go that route. Edmonton? Well, Oilers fans were talking McDavid for sure and that had changed, but picking the coach and possible goalies were the normal conversation.

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I spoke to Sarah Connors of Stanley Cup of Chowder and Kirk Luedeke of Red Line Report and New England Hockey Journal this week, and both gave the impression that Peter Chiarelli did a very good job during his time in Boston. The record suggests the same, and he is coming to a team in the Oilers with far more natural talent.

  • Chiarelli: “This team has got a lot of good pieces. The way I manage there’s nothing
    really flashy about it, although in the past I’ve made some trades and
    I’m not afraid to do that, it’s about getting to know the players,
    instilling an attitude and a philosophy about winning, the sacrifices it
    takes to win, sacrifices on … and off the ice, the mentality that we
    all have to embrace.  There’s really nothing magical about it, there’s
    nothing magical about me. It’s about hard work, connecting,
    communicating, and that’s what I plan to do.”
    Source

I think we’re going to see some veterans here over the summer. Justin Williams, Brent Seabrook, Antti Niemi, Carl Soderberg, that kind of player. I’m not really one for ‘attitude’ and ‘mentality’ because for me the young group’s dedication has never been the issue. That said, those things wouldn’t necessarily be obvious from afar.

I think roster makeup is the number one culprit, an example being too many young defensemen playing too high on the depth chart. Chiarelli is going to take a machete to that defensive depth chart and buy a veteran goalie. The way is clear.

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!!!!! Incredible.

  • bazmagoo

    So if you could trade Schultz plus the Pittsburgh 1st round pick for Phaneuf would you do it? If Toronto kept some of Dion’s salary, maybe a million a year, would you do it then?

    If we can get a legitimate defender for Schultz that would be a huge potential upgrade in my opinion.

  • Nuge&Connorvs.Sam&Sean

    @Lowetide:

    After watching much of that Pens series, my greatest fear is the Oilers becoming the next Penguins. A top heavy team with low very little wiggle room. They may have Crosby and Letang, but after that, if not for the injury, they cant make the Perron trade.

    You know, the way this week has gone really shows me that Katz and Co. did not have any interest whatsoever to win these last few years. They hid behind the so called rebuild.

  • Kevwan

    It looks like Chiarelli’s not scared to make moves. I got the feeling MacT was too afraid to make a mistake to make significant moves.

    Listening to Chia’s comments on “playing heavy” I immediately thought of Eberle. Of all the core players I think he gets closest to value, looking at how he played the last 3 months of the season.

    One of the Bruins that intrigues me is Loui Ericksson. He’s 29 and coming off a 47 point season. If Eberle does get moved (for a D) it would be nice to get a vet top 6 winger for Connor or Nuge. Might be a nice buy low opportunity.

    Anyway best of luck to MacT and Lowe.

    • bazmagoo

      You’re crazy. Nuge – Eberle and McDavid – Hall, you’ve got two elite scoring lines for the next 4 years minimum. No way you trade any of those pieces, deals can be made to fill the gaps. Having Pouliot for 4 more years could be very important too, #craigsonit. The defence/goaltending needs major surgery though.

      • hagar

        With a zero percent chance of trading mcdavid, we are the exact same team as last year, plus Mcdavid.

        we get gifted this unreal chance to move a couple years ahead with the mcdavid win, and still almost nobody wants to consider trading any of “the core”.

        The oilers STILL need almost all of the dman replaced, and both goalies replaced.

        Instead of taking advantage of this good fortune, most people seem to want to continue sitting on their hands, and do nothing via trading with what the oilers have of value, to improve the team.

        I am willing to bet our new gm does the correct thing, and shakes up the “core” in trades. I don’t honestly think there is a way to build this team to compete next year without those moves.

        Hate on, reality is reality.

        • Nuge&Connorvs.Sam&Sean

          Because they are good players. Find good players keep good players. Trade yak, that’s it. Ebs is 60 points in the bank each year. Find another way

          • hagar

            Finding another way is waiting a few more years for our players currently cutting their teeth to develop.

            There is no time to wait for the glaring deficiencies to be developed internally.

          • hagar

            We are talking about a real gm making the deals now, not the almost guaranteed deal blunder twins.

            I don’t think anyone thinks it’s smart to lose value on a player, but that doesn’t need to be the case with a well thought out trade.

            How do you see the oilers going about adding 4 quality dman, 2 of which top 2 pairing, and top 20 goalie? We have almost nothing of value because we are trying to replace horrible pieces with good pieces.

            Nobody wants what the oilers have to offer in trade beyond the previously untouchable “core”.

            Dream on if Nikitan is going to be paired with the pens first pick for anything substantial in return.

            There just isn’t enough to offer to get anything back we need without dipping into the “core”.

            I bet it would take Leon plus Nurse just to get one single top 2 dman. That’s how bad of shape the oilers are in for trade offerings.

          • passelin

            Fair point on the twins – we are all sensitive about not messing this up.

            I don’t think we need 4 D right now- maybe 2. We need to make the playoffs next year, now is the time to push but the timeline is Nuges contract – win by then (and we will) and the rest may want to stay/renew their contracts to make this the 10 years dynasty we’ve been promised for so long now.

            I am interested in the prospect of Toronto – they don’t value Bernier and Phaneuf very highly over there and I bet Drai and something else could get a deal done without touching the core. Maybe another free agent on D (I don’t know who) and Niemi is otherwise an upgrade.

          • Kevwan

            I’d kind of like to keep Drai also as I consider him and Nurse part of the “core” going forward. I know we can’t keep them all and all our picks and still get a decent D or 2 for next year.

            Bernier would be OK but he’s RFA this year and apparently wants big money/term. I’d look to the UFA market this summer first.

            To Phaneuf I’d say no. This isn’t the same 60 point 185 PIM player from 07/08. For whatever reason his game has been on the decline for several seasons. I won’t even mention that horrible contract.

            If I have to trade Drai it’s not for these 2.

          • hagar

            See, I would never trade any of the core for Dion for example. I am not talking about throwing what we know is good, at things we hope might be able to turn things around.

            If it takes a Jordan and a few really good prospects to land OEL for example, then it’s worth thinking about.

            And to go on the record, I put Nuge up there with Mcdavid as extremely hard to pry from my hands. Hall is borderline un tradable, but beyond that, sky is the limit in my opinion.

            The cool thing is we can now talk about positive strategy again, and not just spew hatred about the team.

            This is what a hockey site should sound like. A bunch of fans giving their humble opinions on “what they would do”. It’s fun!

          • Kevwan

            I think we’re on the same page. I rank the “core” the same as you. I’d be loathe to move Eberle but if I have to pick one I guess he’s it.

            And your right – this is fun

          • passelin

            I think we keep the best 4 for sure – and that includes Eberle. We can look at options with the others like Drai if needed. I wouldn’t do Ebs in a deal for OEL – guys got hands boys!

            And your right is it ever nice to dream again.

          • hagar

            I won’t rate Ebs as high as you until I see the reason I fell in love with him year one.

            The BEST back checking take away artist ever in hockey!! It used to be his calling card that your stick is getting lifted from behind, and he is taking your puck the other way.

            No freakin doubt about that guys skills, I actually think he could be a top 2 un movable if he brought every part of his game, all the time.

            I bet we see a lot more of what we have seen in the past from all of our players this year, with a fresh start.

          • hagar

            Yeah buddy. I think he just needs some change of scene like the entire team and fan base does.

            You can only eat stale bagels for so long before you start choking.

          • Why Eberle before Hall or Yak?

            Eberle provides the Oilers with more offense then any of the other members of the core.
            Hall and Yak are the most moveable IMO. Hall because he’s injury prone, Yak because well, he isn’t covering his bet. But really, I don’t think any of them need to be moved. The Pitt pick + a D prospect should be able to nab a top dman.
            Anything should be able to get Phaneuf, his value is at the lowest it has ever been and TO should retain salary.

            The goalie FA market is pretty good. So no trades needed there.

          • Kevwan

            I move Eberle because he is the most marketable right now. I read that he was 8th in the league in scoring since Feb 1. The other GM’s should give full value right now. The other reason is because he takes to many shifts/periods/games off. He does have amazing hands though.

            I think that after this injury filled season that Hall’s value is at an all time low. He had some bad moments this year but overall he brings more intensity more consistently than Ebs imo. Like you, I do worry about injuries with him

            I think that Yak made great strides this year but his numbers won’t get much of a return. Let him put up 25-30 goals playing with Connor or Nuge and then see what he’s worth.

            So basically you get value for Eberle but not the other 2 right now.

            I like them all and this is just my speculation.

          • hagar

            Yak is a value lock for at least a year to see if he keeps getting better. (I think he will be a star).

            I predict Yak being more of a player on the future oilers team than a couple of our “core”.

            Call it a hunch, but I see our Mcdavid taking away the lime light from at least one of our players, and it won’t be Nail.

          • hagar

            We don’t need Dion man. Extreme price for something that has no guarantee.

            I don’t see our new gm even looking at Dion. I could see Mact having 10 different offer sheets on his desk when he was asked to hand over his paper work, but I don’t see anything happening.

            The new gm will most likely make a blockbuster in the off-season for our 25 minute a night dman.

            It’s the very least I expect from him, and I know he will do it.

        • CMG30

          Reality is this: The Oilers will be hard pressed to make the playoffs next year, McDavid or no. Expecting a deep run is highly unlikely as is building this team to ‘complete’ over one summer.

          More reality: Trading Eberle or Hall blows a huge hole in your forward situation. There may be a scenario where it makes sense if, say, a player of equal value comes back but that’s a really tall order. Most likely you lose that trade or just end up robbing Peter to pay Paul.

          Yet more reality: The Oilers have assets beyond the wonder kids. They have a number of draft picks along with some pretty good prospects. They are also a much more attractive proposition for free agents now. Maybe they should try those routes first before rushing to cash in the few things about this team that have been working.

          • hagar

            All good points.

            My main point is that we shouldn’t be painting ourselves into a Mact style corner by guaranteeing certain players will never be traded.

            I have zero desire to see good players traded, it’s just that sometimes things can be done that help beyond what is already helping you.

            If the most profitable piece of equipment in my business needs to be sold in order to buy an even more profitable piece, I do it. Sure I am removing one of the keys to my success, but I am replacing it with something that will offer increased future success.

          • passelin

            Maybe not make it deep (we can dream) but they can make it. And the year after next we’ll have some cash as Nikitin and Purcell will be gone and maybe more interesting free agents.

        • hagar

          I know it’s not popular, but I mostly agree. I would differ on trading RNH, at least this year. They’re still weak up the middle, so that’s not really a position you can trade.

          Trade Eberle or Hall and you should be able to get a decent d-man, plus one in free agency. Goalie? Free agency. Is it going to suck watching them prosper with another team? Sure, but unless you want to see Schultz as a number one d-man again, you make the moves and balance out the line-up.

      • Kevwan

        I’d love to keep them all – just don’t see how you get a 23+ minute a night D without trading one. Yak, Hall and Nuge all have more potential growth in their games imo.

        • bazmagoo

          I can honestly say I think Yakupov is an amazing player and I love the kid, but I’ve seen nothing that would indicate he has more potential than Eberle. Zero.

          • Kevwan

            Well I think Eberle is going to be a 60 something pt. a year player which is basically what he is now. I think Yak is more than a 14 goal/yr scorer. I didn’t say Yak is better than Eberle. I said Yak will get better than he is now. “More potential growth in his game”

            I agree with you. I also think Eberle gets more in a trade.

    • Lowetide

      Wasn’t Boston always rumored to be interested in trading for Eberle? I wonder if there was ever any truth to that.

      If so, it obviously suggests that Chirelli values Ebs (as I do … but being from SK I’m obviously more than a little biased). But even his biggest critics would certainly think he’d fetch much more than Ericksson no?

      • Kevwan

        I guess I wasn’t clear. Eberle for a D. Erikkson for maybe the Habs 2nd rounder? Erikkson replaces Eberle.

        And I very much like Eberle as well -just throwing out suggestions.

  • hagar

    I dont’ know, maybe Mr. Chiarelli, or someone from organization read this post

    Chris Ehrhoff, please

    – Pens is out –

    – UFA –

    – excellent left d-liner –

    – experienced mentor for young compatriot, Leon Draisaitl –

    – not serious argument, but anyway – Cancer, ideal fit for Scorpio /Oilers’/ –

    And Marek Židlický

    – UFA –

    – strong right d-liner –

    – ‘The Red Wings were in need of a veteran right handed shot to fit in on their powerplay, and Židlický filled this quota almost immediately after arriving in Detroit’ –

    – Aquarius, another fit for Scorpio /yes, like Great One/ –

  • passelin

    It would be nice to have a list of “who goes where?” Howson, Scott, Green, Acton, Ramsey, Thompson, scouts, hangers on – well you get the picture. Perhaps we will never know, they like playing their cards close to their chest. But I sure would like to see MacT and Nelson as a Player Devleopment tandem.

  • “Getting to know the players”, going to be hard to do that when the players are scattered across the country. I guess he can watch a lot of tape but the Oil had a jeykyll and hyde( eakins and nelson) season. hard to make bold moves this summer, best he keep his eye on the ufa market for now instead of making a bad trade. Where are we on the 50 man list?

  • Admiral Ackbar

    I absolutely don’t even care who wins the Stanley Cup this year, as long as it’s not the Nucks. I hope they not only lose but get terrible influenza.

    Chiarelli is an excellent GM. Repeat SC finalist and he engineered the team that was severely under-gunned against the Canucks, and won.

    TSN is pretty excited for the Oil: http://www.tsn.ca/video/examining-chiarelli-s-impact-on-the-oilers-1.266027

    Can’t wait til next season!!!!

  • hagar

    I am going in the future while drunk at like 3am, but I will predict a connor and Yak combo as the future of the team. I predict hall asking for a trade after realizing the world doesn’t circle him.

    I see Connor pulling an epic Gretzky type role, that will set Yak up for shots like Brett Haul used to be.

    Pciture gretzky feeding Brett Haul.

  • 916oiler

    Maybe a dumb question, i dunno, but what does that tweet that Hall sent out to Mcdavid mean? Left shot black tape….etc? I’m clueless on what that means

  • Christian Roatis

    I write over at FlamesNation and have to say I’m happy for the Oilers. Here’s to the Battle of Alberta being a spectacle again in the near future.

  • bazmagoo

    Amazing day guys, I’m happier today than I was when we won the McDavid lottery! No more time for incompetence, let’s put a good competitive team together. I’m thinking Justin Schultz is the most likely young player to be traded, can’t have $3.675 M tied up in a player with no compete level.

    • toprightcorner

      I think Chairelli will act as if Schultz is not on the team and add the dmen he can. If he can add dmen that are better than Schultz and can’t trade him, then maybe Chairelli just walks away. If he can’t then hopefully he added enough to push Schultz to 3rd pairing. Either way, Schultz is the exaact opposite of who Chairelli wants so his time in Oilers silks will not be long. Same goes for Purcell

      • ChevygoFast

        whether you like it or not Shultz can be a big asset for this team and does have huge untapped potential so if you think for one second that it would be a good move to let a guy like this walk for nothing then you need to get your head examined because there is a very good chance that you might be a genuine F*****G retard!!!

        And I absolutely do support a Justin Shultz trade if the return is right

        • toprightcorner

          How about you read the comment properly so you reply on what was said, I said only if Chairelli can add dmen that are better than him that pushes him out because he has no trade value and the $3.6 mill could be used elsewhere. Schultz is soft, no compete level and avoids the corners, that is the exact opposite of what Chairelli wants this team to be. If he can bring in guys to replace him in the top 4 and QB the PP and can’t trade him, then don’t be surprised if he lets Schultz walk to use his salary elsewhere.

          Chairelli will do what he can to rid the team of soft, non-competitive, hard on the puck players as soon as he can and it is about time the Oilers did that.

          Also, how about commenting on hockey and not make personal attacks it just shows everyone they type of person you really are. Makes you look bad dude.

          • ChevygoFast

            slow down boy you can save all that hot air to blow up your next date. Lets get a few things straight here, I agree 110 percent with everything you said Shultz does badly. its all true. I still believe Shultz can be an im pact player if hes put in a position to succeed he is not a no. 1 or 2 d man not even close but if we can get a number one guy and Shultz doesn’t have to play 20 plus minutes a night and plays more of a 3 or 4 guy role with soft zone starts pp time you will see a huge improvement. second what do you think the chances are that chiarelli can add four defencemen who are all better and more cost effective than Shultz it will never happen in one summer. Ever. not even close and last time I checked Shultz is a RFA why in gods green earth would you walk away from that after all you have invested in that player. I do believe Shultz wont be in oil silks for much longer but there is also a right way and a wrong way of handling that and if you think just letting a guy walk for nothing when you have all the power is the way to go then you might want to go ahead and get your brain checked. lastly if you are such a cry baby whiner maybe you should steer clear of public forums! But I am very sorry I went and hurt your feelings I hope the cut wasn’t to deep

          • tealyn

            I don’t know but when an overrated player like Schultz basically singlehandedly loses half a dozen games a year, and doesnt contribute to another 70 games, well that leaves him contributing to half a dozen games in a year. He is fodder, might as well quit now as everything you invest in him is a complete waste and actually hurts the organization more than it helps. Our Norris candidate is not NHL ready and may never be. Oh and I guess I will just skip the insults, sorry but left that behind in grade school.

          • ChevygoFast

            do you not realize that I agree with everything you are saying about the guy. he has bin nothing short of awful. all im saying is move the guy down the depth chart by signing one hopefully 2 guys and if PC doesn’t see him as part of the solution moving forward(which I don’t believe he is) then you make a deal for him. I don’t think Shultz is the worst player in the world hes just playing way way over his head he would look good in a 3 or 4 guy role. this goes back to dingle nuts saying PC should just walk away from jultz for nothing. He is a RFA which means the oilers hold the rights to the player. it would be like buying an investment property thinking you will double your money and when it doesn’t work out that way, just giving that property away for absolutley nothing. all im saying is that doesn’t make much sence. even if negotiations go poorly do you not think it would be better to trade the rights (that you own) for something even a fifth round pick is better than nothing.

          • 916oiler

            You are right on both counts. Personal attacks are not necessary and JS is soft. He is has all the tools to be a top D man except one – no compete. Frankly, that is the most important. I think there is trading value in that his next team will pay a bit in the hopes that they can get more compete from him. Every time he steps on the ice, though, he shows his inability to commit to the team and the longer he does that the less value he has. He is gone – see ya.

  • nqmt

    If I am chicago I move heaven and earth to keep Seabrook but you keep putting that out there. he is in his final year of that contract. What would we have to pay to get him. certainly a live NHL player of note and a prospect?

  • Kevwan

    Two goals and an assist for McJesus as Erie spanks Nurse and the Sault 5-2, evening the series at 1-1, tonight. That makes 14 goals and 9 assists for 23 point in Connor’s last 7 playoff games.

  • The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33

    Oh Darryl, you do care. Your silence all this time had me doubting and I even started to build some resentment. But you do care. Thank you.

    Seriously though, props to Katz. The guys is not a talker but gets it done when needed. Yes it took a while to get rid of the good Ole boys but when it was time to do it, it was done swiftly. I guess this is why he has more money than any of us. Total opposite of MacT and six rings. No talk, all action.

    And stop all this bs about his kid. I saw a petition online trying to get the kid off the stage for the draft. Douche bags douche bags douche bags.

  • sportsjunkie007

    Every hockey fan that I know is talking about the Oilers. For good, bad or just plain envious hatred (which I missed so much) everybody is talking about the Oilers this week. I call it The McDavid Effect.

  • hagar

    How do I know this??

    Because EVER SINGLE GM IN THE WORLD beyond our old boys would have done that 9 freakin years ago!!

    Lmfao!! The fact we don’t have one single starting dman is so far beyond comical, that Peter will simply make it happen, and be a wizard.

    We are so used to ineptitude, let’s all brace ourselves for real hockey again..

    I know it will feel really weird at first.. but this feeling of improvement is normal. Don’t be scared, it’s a normal feeling called “happy”.

    • MustardTiger

      16th I believe, though I don’t think they make the pick. Likely packaged with marincin for a top 4 defender, hopefully from a cash strapped team whose paying cents on the dollar

    • MustardTiger

      15’th if Calgary beats Vancouver, 16’th if Vancouver beats Calgary. Go Lames!

      Edit**My mistake. 16’th unless the Flames reach the conference finals, in which case the Pittsburgh pick jumps to 15 and Calgary falls to 27-30

      • The Soup Fascist

        I think they have to beat the Cansucks AND Anaheim for it to be 15. Truth be told I would rather have a one spot lower draft spot than listen to the Cowpokes drone on.

        But that is just me.

        • M22

          100%, and I don’t think it is just you. I believe if you could give Flames management the option of having 15th pick instead of 16th pick, versus an extra playoff round, it would be a no-brainer. Far more advantages that the extra playoff experience (not to mention gate $$) would give them, as opposed to the pick, which would be a negligible difference at mid-round.

  • Paq Twinn

    That last tweet you shared…..I am almost amazed beyond comprehension, except when you think about it, we have always hired inexperience. The list is too long to even start, and its kind of a negative turn so screw it, cause McDavid. This kids like berry pomegranate mio cause he changed EVERYTHING.