STU MACGREGOR FIRED

The final final lists are no doubt complete and with that changes for next season can begin. New GM Peter Chiarelli was expected to make changes to the scouting department and that began today.

MacGregor was named head scout in 2007 and was in place in time for the selection of Jordan Eberle in 2008. His first round picks included Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse and Leon Draisaitl, but the reason for his release had more to do with what happened outside the first round.

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Edmonton`s second-round selections during MacGregor`s term—Anton Lander, Tyler Pitlick, Martin Marincin, Curtis Hamilton, David Musil, Mitch Moroz, others—didn`t have much impact at the NHL level.

Bob Green is the de facto head scout and it`s possible MacGregor will not be replaced. The identity of the amateur scouts is not known at this time. More to come.

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  • D'oh-ilers

    I’m a little surprised at the timing, but it was going to happen at some point this summer anyway. The pro scouting has been abysmal throughout the rebuild, and amateur scouting hasn’t been much better.

    • If anyone could one-punch kill someone through Skype, it’s Semenko.

      All joking aside, there are several members, himself included, that shouldn’t survive a good scouting system purge. Maybe Chia will leave that up to whomever takes over head scouting (Bob Green or other).

  • @S_2_H

    Pete Chiarelli then turns his head toward Scott Howson who begins to run but when he turns the corner he come face to face with Bob Nicholson. He was never seen again

  • @S_2_H

    Haha, loving the trashing on the Semenko post by the nostalgia goggles. Guys, as any manager knows you’re only as good as the people below you. McGregor and Gare got the axe, but those below them clearly didn’t do their jobs to the best of their abilities by providing the best information either.

    The amateur scouting has been slightly better than the pro, so maybe they didn’t need to clean house in it but the pro scouting department is bar none one of the worst departments assembled in the past decade or more within the NHL. Nothing short of firing everyone in it is acceptable in my eyes for the horrendous job done.

    If Gretzky can be fired for doing a bad job, so can the wuvvable face puncher.

  • HardBoiledOil 1.0

    ^yup, it was good to see Stu and his incompetent amateur staff finally get what was long overdue them….the axe!! also nice to see the equally incompetent pro scouting staff go, including a member of the old boys club Dave Semenko! oh happy day!!

  • Honestly, how much of this is actually MacGregor fault?

    Really grinds my gears every time I see Boone Jenner’s name……Bloody Musil

    That doesn’t sound like a MacGregor thing it sounds like a Lowe\Tambellini thing.

    I honestly have to believe that no way, no how Moroz was MacGregor’s pick also…

    In fact, I’m pretty sure MacGregor didn’t even want to draft Yakupov…

    well, when you have Mac-T, Howson and Lowe still hanging onto there jobs somebody else head has to roll.

    • Alf

      Walter I believe you are correct here. Stu was over ridden often despite his BPA list. Also the developmental model of the Oilers was broken and poor with a few players even recently. Add in that you really cannot judge a draft fully until 3-5 years after. And I think he just got blamed a bit more then he should of.

      Now that being said. When a new GM comes in it stands to reason that he would want to hire his own choices in strong positions of trust. And in order for him to trust Stu and keep his job he would of needed to knock a few out of the park in the later rounds… This did not happen. So I think in this case he may of gotten a rough deal? But at the same time relieving him of his position was also the right and understandable call.

      • I agree with everything you say here.

        I also think that MacGregor has to share a lot of the blame in the later rounds of the draft.

        Having said that I think we all know that each manager had a certain player type they wanted drafted and MacGregor’s hands were tied.

        End of the day he’s the guy drafting the players

        PC may also just want to bring in his own guys too?

        • 24% body fat

          Agreed. Although Lowe is not having any effect on the team in his current position,,, So I see him staying. What they are gonna do with MacT and Howson is anyones guess. I’d prefer to see them out of the decision making room. But for some strange reason Chia is keeping them around for now.

          I admit I dont like that Chiarelli has put Howson in such a critical Amateur evaluator role. And MacT as a 2nd hand advisory role. Both to me are piss poor evaluators of Defenseman. Forwards not too bad. But the D needs to be fixed preferably without too much of their influence.

          If I had to guess MacT will retain some position. And Howson hits the road. But I’d have to be inside Chiarellis mind to know. I think we will see them shuffled or moved on in a month after draft and free agency. I think he’s keeping them around to take care of some of the smaller issues while he focuses on the bigger GM duties. Remember this is literally the craziest time of the year for a GM.

      • Shouldn’t some of the players not developing properly be blamed on the AHL farm system.

        Then there was the EIG who thought the team didn’t need an AHL team and Lowe had to beg for an AHL before they finally got one.

    • Boom76

      You know that mgmt doesn’t “do” everything right? So like when you say that sounds more like a Lowe thing, you know that Stu being able to do his thing (however bad) WAS the mgmt thing. In watching Oil Change for what seemed like 12 yrs, I wasn’t impressed with what I saw in each and every scouting episode and scene. We need razor sharp folk … Not saying they weren’t …. Just I think we can do better … And I hope this is the start.

    • Jordan McNugent-Hallkins

      Could you please tell what “sounds” you have heard that have led you to the conclusion that SM was not part of the problem and that it was just a KL/ST thing.

      I have no specific knowledge of SM’s outlook on Moroz when he was taken. Could you please share with us what you know about this.

      Once the sh… hits the fan usually everyone gets splattered.

  • Petrolero

    After Lowe/Mact managed to keep their jobs after 10 abysmal seasons should tell everything that you need to know.

    You knew their incompetence was going to be blamed on everyone and anyone below them short of the janitorial staff.

    I wonder who the next sacrificial lamb will be.
    If Nicholson is behind this then nothing has changed in Oiler-ville, or is that Hooter-ville?

    and don’t say it…McDavid was shi*t-blind-luck…this is still a 28th place team.

    • hagar

      I am an oilers fan, and try to remind people all the time that the team still blows a hundred donkey dicks…. plus mcdavid..

      The difference is that even the heaviest of scorn are getting a hope finally because of the cancer being removed.

      You can’t turn the player over on a team four times, have three first overalls in four years, and still suck worse than ever unless other higher issues are present.

      These moves of klowe (should have been fired), and Mact (should have been fired), are what has been needed the entire time.

    • 24% body fat

      With the new way of doing buisness within the Oilers organization, I suspect more changes are coming. The days of movnig the deck chairs around are becoming fewer and fewer. The new “inner circle” (Nicholson, Chiarelli and to some degree, McLellan) have spent the last little while getting their collective bearings.

      The arrow is definitely pointing in the right direction. The best before dates have been up for some of the Oilers staff for some time now. With the history of some of the management, scouts, coaches and every other postion in the org, the new “inner circle” are exercising their collective assessments of the deep whole this team is in.

      We have all been pounding on tables to get this team turned around for years now……it is finally happening.

  • Petrolero

    This is too delicious. Keep ’em coming. We’re not done clearing the house from all the manure yet.

    Scott Howson needs to go yesterday. He can help Nikitin pack.

    • Teeeb

      Not only lingering, but front and centre when they showed the team interviewing McDavid. I cried, I really cried, I cried for the poor kid, I cried, I really cried.

  • Serious Gord

    Hey maybe the bigger picture is duplicating the super management teams of team Canada right here in Edmonton. Seems to me that’s what Kevin lowe and Daryl Katz stated to begin with , old boys are building their network getting the best, hey Lowe and Mact are not dumb they r smart too Soo yes it seems to have taken a long time but smarts on klowe bringing in the high end management
    It so funny no one sees that
    They have played and worked with the best and Daryl wants the biggest and best organization that shows well like it would be if you were a Canadien ..

    This is what you do ..
    You guys r so netative

  • 24% body fat

    Adian Muir, Evan Campbell, Liam Coughlin, Zach Naglevoort, Kevin Bouchard, Mitch Moroz, David Musil, Travis Ewanyk, Cameron Abney,

    This is why you get fired. Not to say all are horrible picks, but they were definitely horrible at where in the draft they were picked.

    Me thinks MacT and Tambo gave drafting direction to Stu, something along the lines of “get me big guys”.

    Musil and Moroz could of waited until third round and if not who cares. Naglevoort likely available in 6th or 7th. Do not know what they were thinking wit the rest of the picks. No stats show these guys as potential players, and really no one has seen them good either.

    • Petrolero

      It’s funny how brilliant hindsight is. When they drafted Moroz, then he had a thirty goal season with the Oil Kings, Stu was lauded for a brilliant reach pick. Moroz has a terrible first year in the AHL, and Stu is then labelled as an idiot. Selective memories. Everybody on the internet is so smart.
      I know it’s a results based business, and firings are more common place than the real world, but I do feel sorry for the guys that got the axe. We don’t know the system they had behind closed doors. We don’t know how much free reign Stu had. Calling people inept, idiotic, etc. from the safety of your home is cowardly.

      • camdog

        There were also 29 other NHL teams that were very happy the Oilers picked Moroz at 32. That said there was a lot of GM input into some of these howetown players.

      • Jordan McNugent-Hallkins

        Actually when moroz was drafted he was barely a 30pt guy… It wasn’t until his 20yr old season that he scored 30 goals. That said, even with his slow pro start, I’m not writing moroz off yet. Does have some decent tools for a big man. Not MacGregor’s worst moment, but far from stocking the cupboards with future nhler.

      • Actually when moroz was drafted he was barely a 30pt guy… It wasn’t until his 20yr old season that he scored 30 goals. That said, even with his slow pro start, I’m not writing moroz off yet. Does have some decent tools for a big man. Not MacGregor’s worst moment, but far from stocking the cupboards with future nhler.

  • Teeeb

    My biggest WTF moment with Oilers scouting staff came at the 2013 draft. All in all a decent draft for the oil but with no decent goalies in the pipeline and the reigning CHL goalie of the year sitting there in round 5 the Oilers stepped up and drafted a 20 yr old WINGER playing BCJHL… When was the last time a 20 yr old playing BCJHL ever panned out??? To make things better the following season the Oil say “hmm, it appears we have no goalies” so they draft meh Naglevoort and Brutals Bouchard and his 4.00 GAA… nice work Oilers! Oh and by the way, the CHL goalie of the year was Patrik Bartosak (the guy who just won the Calder Cup). So long Stu…

    • Concur

      That’s incredible. Maybe some scouts try to justify their employment by focusing on those complete longshots while ignoring sensible picks that total amateurs could make just by looking at a stats sheet.

    • O.C.

      ^
      This is Brilliant. That pretty much is a “wake up slap”, justifying the new regime’s attention to detail.

      If you planned to post, drop the Mic, and walk out, then you accomplished it.

  • Teeeb

    AND ANOTHER THING… since 2007 name me ONE player past the first round that’s been anything of substance in the NHL! I’ll give you one. Anton Lander MIGHT just be a solid NHLer that could contribute on any team, maybe, possibly… and even Lander was 40th! Not really a suave depth pick but still, finding an NHL regular in the second round is a good day. In my opinion good scouts are separated from bad ones after the first round. This decision, to me, was a no-brainer and a long time coming!

  • Teeeb

    You and I could make the right pick first overall. Stu kept spending high 2nd and later round picks on guys with size but nothing else to offer eg. Kahria, Moroz etc. The guy would take a a player expected to go in the fifth round in the second hoping to hit a home run and land the next Lucic. Bottom line is Stu and his stooges contributed the gigantic mess the Oilers were in, in a big way.

    Chirelli should make some serious power moves with some of these picks and get the Oil competitive in the next year. Meaningful hockey past November, a new arena, old boys out of power and Connor… For the first time in a long while it actually feels like that eternal hope we feel as fans has some backing to it. Good times ahead!!

  • Teeeb

    Poor results cost them their jobs , no need to over analyse it . More may follow in the coming summer months . Howson and MacT. also ex GM’s , and Chia shown more courteous toward them being in same position as them being let go . Honour shown amongst Gm’s , which is not unusual . No kneejerk decision on the ex Gm’s is probably a good thing at least till after the draft .

  • Beaumatters

    I do not pretend to know the scouting staff’s full responsibilities, but I would image the staff, as a whole, would have various levels of input into trades, UFA’s and amateur draft selections. And as we all know, the organization’s track record in these areas has been poor. I am guessing, but the ones let go were probably not willing to change past practices after Chiarelli’s draft direction speech a month ago.

    I agree with all the changes the Oilers have made this summer, as they have, if nothing else, moved this organization out of the pure definition of stupidity.

  • CMG30

    Little bit shocked at the timing of these firings. You’re going to head into the draft with the lists that these guys generated but not with the bodies to ask questions?

    As for Stu, I’m not sure how much of the draft is his fault and how much comes down to lack of development in the organization along with management overridng the good sense of the scouts. Edmonton has a long history of drafting for family ties, size, organizational need and many other reasons other than BPA.

    Still, I’m not going to complain too loudly as more of the old guard is shown the door…

  • KSC10032

    Lets all remember a very basic fact, before we spiral off into various re-hashings of ongoing themes and narratives that are prevalent on this site.

    Stu MacGregor’s firing is only the first part of the equation. I believe we should all reserve judgement until we know who replaces him, and other departing scouting staff; and/or what structure is put in place with scouting and player acquisition/development.

  • camdog

    Stu’s still a good scout. It’s good to release him asap so that he can find a job for next season. These jobs fill up quick, the earlier you start looking, the better ones chances are of finding work for next season.

    • I can’t imagine any team hiring any of the Oilers former employees. Look at the track record we have owned for the last decade.

      The firing squad of Nicholson and Chiarelli is far from finished. I’m sure the noose is ready for Howson and a few more in the coming days or weeks. The loser mentality we’ve had for such a long time will no longer be accepted or tolerated. Changes are necessary. Sometimes that’s the nasty part of business.

      • camdog

        Magregor will still get a professional job as a scout, just not as a head scout. Whether it’s the players or the managers, many people have been elevated into positions above their potential within the Oilers organisation, whether that’s a Petry eating number 1 minutes or Sam Gagner earning a 5 million per year contract because he was on a team without a roster of NHL calibre centres.

      • Petrolero

        “I can’t imagine any team hiring any of the Oilers former employees.”

        I invite you to take a look at the front office staff of the Carolina Hurricanes. Go have a laugh.

  • HockeyYoda

    Somebody had to be accountable for the pathetic drafting the past number of years. In fact, it’s been so bad that a person would almost have to be trying to miss to do worse. Of all the inaction and bad moves McT made – his refusal to fix the scouting may have caused the most long term damage.

  • CMG30

    Ah, I see they also fired head pro scout Morey Gare. This I can fully get behind, Oilers identification of pro talent has been WTF for years. It’s like they just open the Toronto Sun and see who the ‘Centers of the Hockey Universe’ are chattering about and then throw whatever assets it takes to acquire that player who, of course, turns out to be a dud.

    Don’t even get me started on the evaluation of their own talent….

  • Serious Gord

    Assuming that Katz insisted that the old boys not be fired but retained somewhere in the organization, Nicholson/chirarelli have basically gutted the entire organizations hockey ops. A marvellous thing.

    Now let’s see what they do with the players. Granted the cba restrictions will greatly restrict the room to maneuver I suspect/hope they act as harshly as they have with management. I think it highly likely they trade most if not all of this year’s picks save the number one.

  • 15w40

    Pro scouting is a looonnggg time coming, has been well documented how brutal that has been.

    Amateur to me is a little bit of a mixed bag. Looks like the last couple year’s later rounds are improving and it doesn’t help when there is alleged vetoing from ownership on picks and whatnot.

  • mcjesus take the wheel

    Wow. Reading through all the derp in these posts is why I quit going on tsn. But I see it’s just as bad on here. Most of you are sheep and don’t have an effing clue.