STU MACGREGOR FIRED

The final final lists are no doubt complete and with that changes for next season can begin. New GM Peter Chiarelli was expected to make changes to the scouting department and that began today.

MacGregor was named head scout in 2007 and was in place in time for the selection of Jordan Eberle in 2008. His first round picks included Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov, Darnell Nurse and Leon Draisaitl, but the reason for his release had more to do with what happened outside the first round.

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Edmonton`s second-round selections during MacGregor`s term—Anton Lander, Tyler Pitlick, Martin Marincin, Curtis Hamilton, David Musil, Mitch Moroz, others—didn`t have much impact at the NHL level.

Bob Green is the de facto head scout and it`s possible MacGregor will not be replaced. The identity of the amateur scouts is not known at this time. More to come.

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  • CMG30

    Little bit shocked at the timing of these firings. You’re going to head into the draft with the lists that these guys generated but not with the bodies to ask questions?

    As for Stu, I’m not sure how much of the draft is his fault and how much comes down to lack of development in the organization along with management overridng the good sense of the scouts. Edmonton has a long history of drafting for family ties, size, organizational need and many other reasons other than BPA.

    Still, I’m not going to complain too loudly as more of the old guard is shown the door…

  • HardBoiledOil 1.0

    ^yup, it was good to see Stu and his incompetent amateur staff finally get what was long overdue them….the axe!! also nice to see the equally incompetent pro scouting staff go, including a member of the old boys club Dave Semenko! oh happy day!!

  • mcjesus take the wheel

    Timing is a bit weird, given a week until the draft, but just happy it got done. Was here for way too long with sub par results (like all the others before). Now Howson please.

  • toprightcorner

    Amateur scouting wasn’t great but the pro scouting has been down right awful. I cannot thing of a trade for any significant piece that turned out in the past 5 years and most were horrendous, Nikitin, Belanger, Barker, Nick Schultz, Colin Fraser, OSullivan, Cole, Whitney, Brule and Lupul.

    This is the perfect place for Katz to spend some cash and get some of the better scouting minds in the league.

    • MacT's Neglected Helmet

      Agree that amateur scouting has been somewhere between mediocre to okay and that pro scouting has been somewhere between awful and godawful.

      Still, for history’s sake, there were a couple trades that worked out like MPS for David Perron and Dubnyk (the broken version) for Matt Henderson. Though I conceit that they were not major deals.

  • @S_2_H

    Haha, loving the trashing on the Semenko post by the nostalgia goggles. Guys, as any manager knows you’re only as good as the people below you. McGregor and Gare got the axe, but those below them clearly didn’t do their jobs to the best of their abilities by providing the best information either.

    The amateur scouting has been slightly better than the pro, so maybe they didn’t need to clean house in it but the pro scouting department is bar none one of the worst departments assembled in the past decade or more within the NHL. Nothing short of firing everyone in it is acceptable in my eyes for the horrendous job done.

    If Gretzky can be fired for doing a bad job, so can the wuvvable face puncher.

  • Boom76

    Sad to see the MB go but it was a long time coming. I’m sure Stu will land on his feet quickly with another organization. Here’s a bold move that MacT couldn’t make. Things are still looking bright for the future of Connor McDavid’s Oilers.

  • B_Oliver

    Do you think with what ever changes happen this year, like a Goalie and 1 or 2 top 4 defenseman coming in, that the Oilers could reasonably scape 40 wins together? What about next season? That probably wont even make the playoffs but it would be miles better in comparison to what we’ve had to endure previously. Is it October yet?!?!

  • Teeeb

    You and I could make the right pick first overall. Stu kept spending high 2nd and later round picks on guys with size but nothing else to offer eg. Kahria, Moroz etc. The guy would take a a player expected to go in the fifth round in the second hoping to hit a home run and land the next Lucic. Bottom line is Stu and his stooges contributed the gigantic mess the Oilers were in, in a big way.

    Chirelli should make some serious power moves with some of these picks and get the Oil competitive in the next year. Meaningful hockey past November, a new arena, old boys out of power and Connor… For the first time in a long while it actually feels like that eternal hope we feel as fans has some backing to it. Good times ahead!!

  • chickenStew

    Well I thought Stu might of done some good and some bad. And the jury is still out on picks in the last 2-3 years. But he also didnt exactly blow the doors off early so guess it makes sense? Especially with a GM that didnt hire him.

    If word is Morey Gare is the other. Then all i have to say about that is HALLELUJAH!! More Pro scouts please. And Howson and MacT.

  • Concur

    When it comes to scouting it is hard to know after the player was picked if the scout had it wrong or that the player wasn’t developed properly. I know there have been some questionable picks and some walkabouts but I would put more blame on development

  • camdog

    Stu’s still a good scout. It’s good to release him asap so that he can find a job for next season. These jobs fill up quick, the earlier you start looking, the better ones chances are of finding work for next season.

    • I can’t imagine any team hiring any of the Oilers former employees. Look at the track record we have owned for the last decade.

      The firing squad of Nicholson and Chiarelli is far from finished. I’m sure the noose is ready for Howson and a few more in the coming days or weeks. The loser mentality we’ve had for such a long time will no longer be accepted or tolerated. Changes are necessary. Sometimes that’s the nasty part of business.

      • camdog

        Magregor will still get a professional job as a scout, just not as a head scout. Whether it’s the players or the managers, many people have been elevated into positions above their potential within the Oilers organisation, whether that’s a Petry eating number 1 minutes or Sam Gagner earning a 5 million per year contract because he was on a team without a roster of NHL calibre centres.

      • Petrolero

        “I can’t imagine any team hiring any of the Oilers former employees.”

        I invite you to take a look at the front office staff of the Carolina Hurricanes. Go have a laugh.

  • Petrolero

    Only a few days to go before the draft so here is my draft order for our Oilers . 1-Mcdavid , 16- B.Carlo RD 6Ft.5In., 33 (G) – Mackenzie Blackwood -6Ft.4In. , 57- Filip Ahl – 6ft.3In.LW (211 lbs.) ,77- Denis Gurianov-6Ft.3In.RW , 86- Erik Cernak -6ft.4In. RD , 117-Jacob Jaremko – 5Ft.11In. C , 124 – Christopher Wilkie -6Ft.0In. 199lbs. R.W. ,154- Artem Artemov – 5Ft.10In -200lbs. R.W. , 184 – V.Tkachev (LW) . If any have a better list show us .

    • JackB

      Cut throat? More like classless..could have done it weeks ago. More of the same laughable stunts we’ve all come to know and love. Nice job with Nelson as well. Thumbs Up, keep em coming

      • BigMcD

        Hey ingrate!!You really think Nelson should have had the job ahead of McLellan?
        McLellan interviewed Nelson for the assistant job. It was Nelsons choice to move on. Use your head before you speak!

        • Just a Fan

          And I will go even farther. As I understand contracts in pro sport, the Oilers could have held Todd to his contract and refused to let him talk to other organizations. They did not. They let him make his own decision.

          Doesn’t sound classless to me.

      • Jordan McNugent-Hallkins

        Lol, if I were you, I’d be more worried about how the Flames are going to contain McLellan’s powerplay when he has weapons like Hall, McDavid and Ebs to play with, rather than how they restructure their management.

        • B_Oliver

          Only thing I am worried about is if enough time has passed between the Lottery and the Draft for Connor to perfect his fake happiness and excitement face this time when the Coil officially announce his doom..or if we will be treated to more of the same . Lol

          • JackB

            WHAT ???

            “to perfect his fake happiness and excitement face this time …”

            Now your even taking shots at McDavid . . . who seemed to me to be the nicest young man at the draft. (Pretty sore still we won the lottery aren’t you)

            Get off this site you Calgary Troll !!! (Or maybe you’re aa Toronto Troll ??)

          • Jordan McNugent-Hallkins

            Just breathe. It’s going to be painful in Calgary for a while, but you guys can pull through.

            With a new coach, new GM, new arena, and the chance to play on a line with Hall, I guess I can see your point. Why on earth would he be happy to come here?

          • 14 goal Crybaby Taylor Hall?? Oooohhhh!!!!! Only 1 season over 50 points in 5 years?? Wow that is frighteningly good..definitely worth every penny.
            We’ve ran that putz around the ice in Calgary and Edmonton for the last 5 years man, trust me, he ain’t all that. But whatever helps you sleep at night pal

          • Edmonton has been the worst over the last decade,I will not dispute that and the flames have been a much better team over that span.Your right hall did not make a difference,niether did eberle,rnh,yakapov,nurse,drisital or klefbom,mabey mcdavid wont either but collectively they will be killing the lames for years to come!good luck running dr.d,nurse and mcdavid around the rink!but I guess whatever helps you sleep at bight

          • CMG30

            It doesn’t matter who you have up front, if you’ve got no plan to keep the puck out of your own net you’ll not win many hockey games.

            Now that PC is in charge with a mandate to fix D and goal… welcome to a lost decade Flames.

          • Joy S. Lee

            It’s not pathetic at all. I experienced it. I don’t care if it was 25 years ago, I still experienced it, and so did a whole bunch of other Oiler fans. You know the old saying the players often say the moment they’ve won one? “They can’t take it away from you”? Well, it applies to the fans, too. So screw off with your badgering us for bringing it up. We like to bring it up, it makes us feel good. All of you trolls can take a hike with your let’s bring us all down attitude, okay? We’d like to have some sensible banter mixed in. And the truth of the matter is, the Oilers are looking mighty damned appealing right about now. The Flames, too, for that matter. So the battle of Alberta is back on. That’s good, too. It’s all good. Except you guys and your bait and twist angles, for whatever satisfaction you get out of the enduring discussion based on senseless conjecture.

          • Serious Gord

            Congratulations then – you are in the same pathetic lot as leafs fans who trumpet about all the cups they have one.

            That you were there when it happened only proves that you are old. It has been fewer years between the leafs last winning the cup and the oil last winning the cup than between the oil last winning the cup and today.

            And the team has been the laughing stock of the league for a decade. Braggadocio under the circumstances – including how good the team is because it has been so good awful and lucky in draft lotteries – rightfully attracts ridicule.

          • ATL Oiler

            Hey SG – WTF is your purpose here? I honestly don’t comprehend a grown man pissing in someone else’s backyard to get their rocks off time and again. Its infuriating that you condem Oiler fans on fn OilersNation. Grow a pair of balls and go where you cheer as youre an absolute pathetic specimen.

            Yeah I am pissed off …

          • hagar

            I have to admit.. part of me is scared shtless that I will see kevin lowe in the staff box next year “watching” the oilers play..

            I understand Gords reluctance to dance around after one draft win, and I share the same feeling.

            I however don’t share Gords view that everything that has happened means nothing. Things needed to change, and they have. If PC does nothing but draft connor this year, then I will know for a fact nothing has changed.. if he makes moves nobody wants to see, then I will know things have.

          • ATL Oiler

            Again, thank-you for spoon feeding how it felt to be a Champion.

            Sadly, Oiler hockey fans under 30 only have 2006 to comprehend the 1980 Edmonton Oilers but laugh out loud at other teams hatred …

            I will try to out this in respective.
            – Chicago just won their third Cup in six years.
            – EDMONTON OILERS won five Cups in seven years (that’s more)

            That Flames fans is 4 more than you will ever win!
            – I still feel Steve Smith gift wrapped your Smythe Division Championship.

            – Leaf fan younger than fifty have not seen their team win a Cup.
            – Winnipeg and Vancouver are skunked!

            There is Montreal but you don’t ever hear them complain as they understood greatness. Please feel free to trash as you will never understand true greatness!

          • Zarny

            Good grief, the only forward the Flames have who might be close to as good as Hall is Bennett. Maybe.

            Certainly no one in cowtown who has hit 80 pts is there?

            And clearly you were the dumb kid who needed the teacher to rehash every math lesson 6 times.

            Hall has more than 50 points twice. 53 pts in 61 games his second year; a pace that far exceeds anything the Flames have seen. And of course 80 pts in 75 games last year. I know, a pt/gm player is so foreign to Flames fans.

            And then, of course, Hall got 50 pts in 45 games during the lockout season. Another season at more than a pt/gm.

            It’s so cute how you try to frame that negatively; considering the best any Flamer could manage that season was a pathetic 32 pts. Hall was so terrible that year he outscored Calgary’s leading scorer by 56%.

            Remember, everyone is laughing at you not with you.

          • nuge2drai

            You are correct in saying that Bennett will most likely be as good if not better than Hall.
            However to say that he is the only one who will be is incorrect.
            Monahan only had 31 goals as a 20 year old, a mark Hall hasn’t been able to achieve to this day.
            Gaudreau with 24 goals and 64 points in his rookie year as well, again numbers Hall didn’t come close to matching until what 2 years ago?
            So yeah, nice try but things are just fine in Calgary, and you can frame things how you want as well, but Hall has never been a frightening opponent of ours, and as i said, Flames have run him around the ice since Day 1. And that’s fact

          • Zarny

            Umm no.

            Bennett is certainly a beauty, but he’s got a long way to go to get to Hall. Certainly possible though.

            Monahan is another nice player, but limited offensive upside. 31 G but only 62 pts in 81 games. Over 81 games Hall had 71 pts his 2nd year. Monahan is good but Hall is better.

            Gaudreau is 21 y/o. Hall had 50 pts in 45 games as a 21 y/o. That’s 91 pts over 82 games. Gaudreau is nowhere near the player Hall is and has a significantly lower ceiling.

            Hall certainly would never have to be benched in the 3rd period of the playoffs to protect him from being dwarf tossed like a tickle me Elmo doll lol.

            I wouldn’t describe things as just fine in Calgary. 3rd worst possession team in the league. The Flames got lucky winning an abnormal number of games being out-shot 43-18 with an abnormal number of career years. Can’t take that away so kudos on 16th place lol, but not sustainable. Cgy is the new Col or Tor.

          • ATL Oiler

            Other than the fact the writers are suspect and replies are sparce why dont you go to Flames Nation? It’s almost Stampede so giddy up as you are fine with your team …

          • hagar

            The same reason he probably emails people on kijiji to tell them he thinks their price is horrible, and he can get the same truck from somewhere else for less, even though he isn’t in the market for said truck.

            Most people don’t have the time, or the bother to care about what other people think or do.. these random flames fans don’t have their own personal life for whatever reason, so they need to fill the open spaces by going into other people’s lives.

            I am sure oilersnation has its fair share of basement dwelling dorks (no offense bagged milk), but they don’t need to go troll the Calgary site to feel good about themselves.

          • JackB

            GOTCHA !

            No sense feeding those trolls anyway! (maybe if we just ignore their posts, they go away . . . back to their mother’s basement’s . . . and one to some other site)

            Can hardly wait for the season to start!

      • HockeyYoda

        What difference does it make doing it now or two weeks ago? Their lists and evaluation are complete so I don’t get your point.

        Classless? They’ve had a longtime on the job, it’s a business and if you don’t perform then you shouldn’t expect to keep your job.

  • @S_2_H

    Pete Chiarelli then turns his head toward Scott Howson who begins to run but when he turns the corner he come face to face with Bob Nicholson. He was never seen again

  • JackB

    C’mon guys stop allowing yourself to be baited by this loser. Who cares what he says? I read five words of his first post and tuned him out. Because far too many of you can’t control yourself, can someone explain to me why he hasn’t been deactivated.

  • Metal&Oil

    I assumed this was coming, but I thought it would be shortly after the draft. Presumably Chia and Green had all the information these guys had to offer, so why wait. I also assume MacT will soon be gone, now that Chia has heard his take on everything. As for Howson, it is difficult to evaluate him because it is not clear what decisions he made. His likely role in the Nikitin signing is surely a huge black mark. I believe Nicholson and Chia will retain very few people and replace the others with guys they know and believe in.

    The real Oil Change that kicked off April 18 continues and in two or three weeks we should have a very good idea what kind of team we will have next year. I don’t expect a massive points jump next season, but want real progress and evidence of a team cultural change.

  • Petrolero

    This is too delicious. Keep ’em coming. We’re not done clearing the house from all the manure yet.

    Scott Howson needs to go yesterday. He can help Nikitin pack.

  • 24% body fat

    Adian Muir, Evan Campbell, Liam Coughlin, Zach Naglevoort, Kevin Bouchard, Mitch Moroz, David Musil, Travis Ewanyk, Cameron Abney,

    This is why you get fired. Not to say all are horrible picks, but they were definitely horrible at where in the draft they were picked.

    Me thinks MacT and Tambo gave drafting direction to Stu, something along the lines of “get me big guys”.

    Musil and Moroz could of waited until third round and if not who cares. Naglevoort likely available in 6th or 7th. Do not know what they were thinking wit the rest of the picks. No stats show these guys as potential players, and really no one has seen them good either.

    • Petrolero

      It’s funny how brilliant hindsight is. When they drafted Moroz, then he had a thirty goal season with the Oil Kings, Stu was lauded for a brilliant reach pick. Moroz has a terrible first year in the AHL, and Stu is then labelled as an idiot. Selective memories. Everybody on the internet is so smart.
      I know it’s a results based business, and firings are more common place than the real world, but I do feel sorry for the guys that got the axe. We don’t know the system they had behind closed doors. We don’t know how much free reign Stu had. Calling people inept, idiotic, etc. from the safety of your home is cowardly.

      • Jordan McNugent-Hallkins

        Actually when moroz was drafted he was barely a 30pt guy… It wasn’t until his 20yr old season that he scored 30 goals. That said, even with his slow pro start, I’m not writing moroz off yet. Does have some decent tools for a big man. Not MacGregor’s worst moment, but far from stocking the cupboards with future nhler.

      • Actually when moroz was drafted he was barely a 30pt guy… It wasn’t until his 20yr old season that he scored 30 goals. That said, even with his slow pro start, I’m not writing moroz off yet. Does have some decent tools for a big man. Not MacGregor’s worst moment, but far from stocking the cupboards with future nhler.

      • camdog

        There were also 29 other NHL teams that were very happy the Oilers picked Moroz at 32. That said there was a lot of GM input into some of these howetown players.

  • Teeeb

    Poor results cost them their jobs , no need to over analyse it . More may follow in the coming summer months . Howson and MacT. also ex GM’s , and Chia shown more courteous toward them being in same position as them being let go . Honour shown amongst Gm’s , which is not unusual . No kneejerk decision on the ex Gm’s is probably a good thing at least till after the draft .

  • 15w40

    Pro scouting is a looonnggg time coming, has been well documented how brutal that has been.

    Amateur to me is a little bit of a mixed bag. Looks like the last couple year’s later rounds are improving and it doesn’t help when there is alleged vetoing from ownership on picks and whatnot.

  • Joy S. Lee

    One day there’s gonna be an article on oilersnation that reads “Kevin Lowe Fired”. The Internet will breakdown shortly after that, every street in the northern half of the province will be closed off from people celebrating. No one will go to work for a month causing the entire civilization to collapse.

    Basically, Kevin Lowe will be responsible for the apocalypse

    • JackB

      Ha! Ha!

      I agree Beaner!! there would be REJOICING GALORE!!

      BUT . . . it won’t happen.

      Kevin Lowe and Daryl Katz have bee close friends since Lowe was a young hockey player and Daryl was a university student!

      I think Kevin saw the writing on the wall at least a couple of years ago (realizing he couldn’t continue, seeing the “Lowe Must Go” billboards etc) and said to himself “I’d better get on the right side of this” (he was always a good defenseman, and kept of the right side of the play)

      So he talked his best friend into hiring Bob Nicholson . . . it’s reported the hiring of Nicholson was his idea.

      He picked his replacement, AND set himself up for some other lesser lifetime role in the organization.

      I just hope he has no input into hockey operations decisions (especially player personnel decisions).

      “Should we buy into a restaurant chain?” YES “Where do open restaurants?” YES “Should a Rexall store be located in New Sarepta?” YES “Should we buy into a movie making company?” YES “Should we have cream or Coffee-mate in the executive lounge” YES

      BUT NO DECISIONS ON WHO TO DRAFT, AND HOW WE SHOULD DEVELOP YOUNG ASSETS, AND WHO WE SHOULD TRADE, AND WHO WE SHOULD TRADE FOR, AND WHO THE ASSISTANT COACHES SHOULD BE, AND WHO THE SCOUTS SHOULD BE !!!! (etc. etc.)