Oilers Put Mark Fayne on Waivers

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The Edmonton Oilers have placed defenseman Mark Fayne on waivers for the purpose of assignment to Bakersfield. The MacT era continues to look like a disaster.

The craziest thing about this move, to me, is that we were all fairly satisfied when Craig MacTavish signed Mark Fayne to a four year deal last summer. Fayne was supposed to come in and help stabilize the defense, but hasn’t really been close to living up to that billing. To see him placed on waivers for the purpose of assignment can be called nothing short of a failure. 

EARLY REACTION

FAYNE’S STATS AS AN OILER

SEASON TEAM GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG S S%
2014-15 OILERS 74 2 6 8 -21 14 0 0 0 78 2.6
2015-16 OILERS 24 0 1 1 -8 6 0 0 0 17 0.0
NHL TOTALS 340 15 42 57 -22 119 0 2 1 388 3.9
          • bradleypi

            Lol! Ya! What was that guy thinking actually naming a player that Mact signed that isn’t in the minors when somebody clearly stated that “all” of Macts signings are in the ahl. Doesnt he realize that if we all just rag on his mistakes, nobody will remember the good players he brought in? Because apparently it’s rag on an oiler day today and surprisingly to me Mact and schultz are the ones getting it and the actual guy that failed (FAYNE), will just go down as the the guy who’s career Mact ruined and jultz stole. Oilersnation is on fire today!

          • Soiled Trousers

            Wait, are you defending CrackT along with Jultz now because that would be crazy my friend, just plain crazy. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you are the guy who argues with every single thing anyone ever says, not because you believe what you are saying, but just because you like to argue with people. Unless you actually believe that CrackT was a good GM, in which case wow, just wow.

          • bradleypi

            I’m not defending anybody chum. I realize that Mact made some bad moves but unlike oilersnation I remember the good ones too. I don’t jump on the oilersnation hate train like everyone else. Once an oiler always an oiler in my mind. But jump on any limb you want and make as many assumptions about me as you like. I’m just here to talk oilers and when I see something I don’t agree with and have an opinion on I’m gonna type it down. And lucky for all of us Henderson puts out a weekly “I hate jultz” blog and oilersnation rags on Mact on almost a daily basis. It’s definitely all his fault that players underperform here. It’s all on him.

  • This looks bad on not only MacTavish, but also Howson and Scott.

    Add Reinhart to the moves that you can pin on remnants of the old regime and you have to hope that Chiarelli has done enough of an internal assessment to understand where all of this bad intel is coming from.

  • Soiled Trousers

    CrackT, possibly the worst GM in Oilers history. Now just sitting around shamelessly cashing a pay check. Any self-respect or dignity he once had is gone and the memories of him as a player will forever be replaced by the memory of him ruining this team.

  • wiseguy

    The only reason I won’t like this move is if fayne was sent down so Reinhart could be called up. Devaluing an asset so you don’t look bad for trading for an nhl ready dman that got sent down to the minors.
    It’s a good move for any other reason.

  • 99CupsofCoffey

    Let’s not forget that every pundit out there thought Fayne was a valuable commodity at the time he was signed. The game has gotten so young and quick that many GM’s have made mistakes with slower or older players. Bring on the jeers, but I still say MacT is a bright guy. His moves were made out of desperation to help the team and with good intentions; there weren’t a plethora of other options that we were all encouraging. Say what you will about the old boys club, but they at very least didn’t take the easy route and deal any of the young guys for immediate but aging help.

    • The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33

      I liked this comment because you’re right in the sense that the pundits all liked the signing when it happened. A lot of the Edmonton media are cheerleaders.

      I gave a thumbs down because you don’t hire a GM because he has good intentions. You hire them to bring positive results. Look at the turn around in Dallas. Nill put in the time to learn the job from an expert. He has been able to trade, draft and develop some pretty good players. It’s no surprise that Nill had success, given his experience. What experience did MacT have? Who did he get mentored by? Howson? Tambo? KLowe?

      I thought MacT was the wrong guy for the job, and time is showing that was correct.

  • 94 93 28 6

    On TSN they were saying if there’s an expansion draft, there will likely be a minimum and maximum salary value that has to be unprotected. Maybe we’re not giving MacT enough credit. He could actually be a genius by signing these big contracts that aren’t working out because they can leave big money unprotected and not lose any of the young key players.

  • fisherprice

    Mark Fayne is: overpaid, not mobile, bad at offence, and very bad in his last few games. Unfortunately, despite all of this, he is actually probably the best right handed defenceman on this roster.

    I know everyone is super eager to get the stench of Lowe/MacT off this team but I’m pretty sure this move does not make the team better in the short or long term, and I don’t think I agree with the move to send a historically solid defender to the minors just because he hit a (admittedly really bad) rough patch. Especially on a team with a defence as abysmal as this one.

    I know Fayne is the new defensive goat around here – on the eternal merry go round of “Which individual do we blame for all around bad team defence?” – but now we got… Schultz and Gryba on the right side? Does this alarm anyone else at all? Gryba is infinitely worse than Fayne except seems to get a pass because he smacks people in the face more regularly (and also takes more bad penalties, but whatever).

    Fayne is a solid defender asked to do more than he should (Jeff Petry anyone?) because of a paper thin team D. He looks bad because he shouldn’t have been out against the players he’s usually matched up against, but the Oilers don’t have better options. The fact is this team simply does not have a good enough defence to warrant sending actual NHL calibre players to the waiver wire, even if they have been having a rough go of it lately.

  • Hemmercules

    One more time, if this move does not re-confirm once and for all the gross incompetence of MacT as a General Manager then your name must be Craig or Kevin. So the logical question remains, why are they still employed?

    Katz keeping them on in some made-up, nothing, yet well paid position is simply more evidence the Oil are a totally dysfunctional organization. The continued employment of Kim Jong and MacT is an embarrassment to pro-sport no to mention Edmonton.

    • Ryan14

      Chiarelli does not have an envious draft record.

      If I’m the Oilers, I would keep MacT in an amateur role. He has shown that he is very astute at the draft. LD and Daryl were both very debatable picks. Neither was a slam dunk in their position. Yet, they are showing very, very well thus far. Furthermore, his late round picks are working out very well also. Yakimov, Slepyshev are both surpassing their draft day rankings.

      As long as MacT is isolated from contracts and pro scouting, he does have skills that the Oilers have desperately lacked the past 20 years.

          • pkam

            If he goes the other way, he will get the boot. But when he goes the right way, he doesn’t get the credit.

            Whether the choice was team need or BPA, MacT got the right call.

          • SSB1963

            Give credit where credit is due seeing as you like to pile on at every opportunity. As for Nurse it was going to be him or Monahan and as we know Monahan was picked #6 by the flames.

        • pkam

          If you blame GM for poor drafting result in the past, isn’t fair to give credit to a GM who is doing good in drafting?

          The problem here in ON is fans will blame the management and players for poor result but reluctant to give credit that they deserve.

          • workashardasSmyth

            Ok, I’ll give credit to MacT for drafting the right guy in the first round. But I’ll scold him for his team being so bad they drafted so high.

            It’s amazing to me the OBC has people defending them.

          • pkam

            Only 1st round?

            MacT has been the GM in 2 drafts, 2013 and 2014.

            How about Bogdan Yakimov, Anton Slepyshev in 3rd, Kyle Platzer in 4th, Ben Betker in 6th and Greg Chase in 7th in 2013? Are you telling me that they are all bust?

            In 2014, MacT had 3 picks outside the 1st round, a 4th, a 5th and a 6th. That 5th rounder has been used to trade for Nilsson. So you already know the other 2 will be busted even it is only their drafted + 2?

            I am not defending MacT, I am just giving credit for things that he does right for the team, which amateur draft is one of them.

          • Hemmercules

            Yakimov, Slepyshev, Platzer and Betker will not have much more than a cup of coffee in the NHL, jury is still out on Chase. Your probably the same guy who swooned over MPS, Omark, Gagner, and a host of other pretenders.

      • Hemmercules

        I refuse to give any GM any credit for choosing good players in the top 7 at the draft. Sure, some of them never work out but if you can’t at least draft well in the top 10 you shouldnt be a GM or a scout.

        To be fair to Mact, being GM of the Oilers when he took the job was probably the hardest GM job in the league at the time. He made some decent moves and some desperation ones. Its looking like the bad is far outweighing the good at this point. I’m interested to see what Chia will do when these awful contracts are gone.

      • Serious Gord

        Freakin ridiculous. First round picks do not an “astute” drafter make. Ld and nurse were not very controversial – they certainly weren’t picked plus or minus 2 or 2 places from where they were expected to be. Had Mact gone off the board and picked a player who Turned into a stud maybe, but he didn’t.

        It’s second or later round picks that one should focus on when judging draft savvy. And I don’t think Mact was at all remarkable.

  • bazmagoo

    A little surprised to see Fayne demoted, but he has not played well at all – this season especially. MacT’s signings on defence were incredibly bad, but they could very well have been intentional to tank the team. If they weren’t intentional I really hope Chiarelli has full authority to fire everyone who is obviously incompetent. Lowe’s landed a sweet PR role, and I actually don’t mind he’s kicking around anymore – it’s been kind of nice seeing him on tv. But MacT and Howson need to be shipped out in the off season.

  • Soiled Trousers

    Breaking: Craig MacTavish relieved of his duties with the NHL Edmonton Oilers, given position of General Manager for the Bakersfield Condors. “He has a real good knack for finding AHL level talent” said Chiarelli. “Now he can actually use those skills in a suitable setting.” MacTavish is expected to fly out with Fayne this morning, and the 2 of them will room together with Nikita Nikitin until they find their own apartments.

  • Mike Krushelnyski

    If anyone here really believes it was Chiarelli’s choice to retain MacT as his right hand man, I would like to talk to you about about a Nigerian prince who could use your help….

    • Jay (not J)

      I’m sort of tempted to agree with you. The only thing that I don’t understand is why PC would take the job under those terms, and the same goes as well for Nicholson. ‘We want you to come in and clean up this mess, but you’re going to have to do it hampered by the people who made it’ does not sound like a convincing job offer to someone who isn’t desperate to get to work.

  • The Last Of Barrett's Privateers

    Have to think the play of Davidson was the death of Fayne but I can’t understand why Fayne and not Gryba.

    He’s been equally awful if not worse.

    • Hemmercules

      Gryba is a mixed bag. He will play a good game and then take a bad late penalty or a horrendous giveaway or a poor back check and ruin his own night. I would say he’s better than Fayne though. He plays with a bit of an edge but I dont really see him sticking up for anyone other than himself too often.

      I wish it was Gryba that was playing worse than Fayne. Fayne makes 3 times as much dough for 3 times as long as Gryba. This is actually a pretty bad situation for Chia. He’s stuck with two defenders for next season making guaranteed money that nobody wants, one he can’t send down (Ference) and the other still counts largely against the cap even when sent down (Fayne). At least Ference can be bought out this summer and Nikitin is off the books. Fayne can be bought out too I guess but I dont think Chia likes to jump on those costly buyouts

      In a perfect world Fayne steps it up and returns to play a decent NHL game and maybe gets moved at the deadline or plays well enough to stick around in a bottom pairing if theres room after the summer trade/FA period.

      • stonedtodeath61

        “Gryba is a mixed bag. He will play a good game and then take a bad late penalty or a horrendous giveaway or a poor back check and ruin his own night. I would say he’s better than Fayne though. He plays with a bit of an edge but I dont really see him sticking up for anyone other than himself too often.”

        Chris Neil doesn’t think, remember Keith Aulie last year, elbow to Neilers head ??? You also might want to take a look at the game in St. Louis early this year.

    • pkam

      Another dumb comment, really you are going to tell me you can tell who the better pick is after 2 years – you are an moron, especially by using ice time as your sole argument. Thank god that idiots like you are no where near making decisions for a team.

      • bazmagoo

        Relax. I said it’s still debateable, not one player is better or going to be better than the other. People on here are talking like MacT is a drafting god, only Leon has panned out so far and that’s still just recently.

        Not exactly rocket science to pick the right guy with a #3 overall pick as well. #7 isn’t quite as easy a slam dunk, but still not all that difficult. None of his other picks have panned out yet.

          • bazmagoo

            Disagree. Both are going to be stars, and up until a month ago it was debatable whether Leon was the right pick. Bennett could still prove to be the better player, although Leon is a better fit for the Oilers no question because of his size. Both were easy picks, pretty much guaranteed to succeed.

          • Jay (not J)

            That’s easy to say today. It was not easy to say during the first round of the playoffs last year when Bennet looked like a firecracker and Leon had a tiny handful of points to show for a half season of playing a regular shift with the Oilers.

          • bazmagoo

            Agreed. Both players have looked good, both players have looked bad, both players are young, and both players are going to be stars in the future. One happens to be bigger than the other, which is why the Oilers drafted him. Not exactly rocket science, MacT really shouldn’t get much credit for that. We all know the Oilers are lacking in size.

  • Hemmercules

    I’m sure Chia was asked to graciously accept Mact and Howsen for the season to see if they had a fit anywhere. I would be shocked if Howsen still has a job for the Oilers next year and Mact isn’t moved into a meaningless position will Lowe. “Co-presidents of collecting paycheques because they won some cups in Edmonton 30 years ago”. Mact has to be downright embarrassed for almost every move he made as GM.

  • Mike Krushelnyski

    Wow! Did not see this one coming. What does this mean in terms of a potential trade? I can’t imagine we’re getting much more than a 4th for Fayne and eating some of his salary now.

    • workashardasSmyth

      Can’t imagine getting much more than a 4th??? It means there is no potential trade….they tried with no takers…not even for a 7th round pick. They now hope someone takes him for free, hence waivers.

        • Hemmercules

          That might not be “the plan”, but it’s looking like the only option now that the Oilers have said, you’re not good enough to play in the #6 slot, on one of the worst teams in the league, with the worst defense in the NHL, on the RIGHT SIDE, where said terrible team and defense has almost NO RIGHT HANDED DMEN!!!

          AND, if he’s on waivers now, it means a trade was already passed on by every GM in the game. So, i’m going to say if he isn’t claimed, which I’ll be shocked if he is, we’re stuck with him.

          On a related note, i’d love to play poker with our GM. No tells in that guys game.

  • HardBoiledOil 1.0

    how long can MacT continue to work with Chia? WHY is MacT still even here??? why can’t the guy just take a hint that he’s no longer really wanted here and just quit? man oh man….Fayne, Schultz, Ference, Nikitin….all over payed mediocre players that haven’t helped this team one bit yet were signed to rich over payed contracts….just quit already will yuh??!

    • Oiler Fan 16

      Senior Vice-President of Hockey Operations probably pays a pretty healthy six figure salary (or even seven figures). He probably spends a good part of his day going to practices and games. Going on road trips. Why would he just quit? I wouldn’t, and neither would you, I’m guessing.

  • ubermiguel

    I’m curious about Fayne’s fancy stats lately; “by eye” observations have too many biases. He’s one of those guys that generally gets the puck going in the right direction, and he was doing that last year. Did his Corsi and Fenwick fall off a cliff?

    • camdog

      Last season Ference played 70 games and averaged 18:53 a game, Nikitin played 42 games and averaged 19:42 per game, Martin Marincin played 41 games and averaged 18:39 per game, while Fayne played 74 games and averaged 17:56 per game.

      I don’t know about Fayne’s advanced stats, but logic would conclude that if Ference, Nikitin and Marancin average more minutes per game than you, odds are you didn’t have a very good season.

      • ubermiguel

        Coaches also have biases that may be challenged by advanced stats, this is basis of statistics’ real value. Fayne was one of those guys who plays an unspectacular game but for whatever reason when he’s on the ice the puck would go the right direction more often than not. I don’t believe you could say the same thing about Ference and Nikitin; and if a coach doesn’t care about things like “moving the puck towards the offensive zone” or don’t know how to use Corsi he might put them on the ice more than Fayne.

        • camdog

          Corsi is already out dated. I’ve read numerous articles stating that Corsi is not a good metric for d-man.

          I just can’t believe that 3 coaches had that much bias against him. The only month last season where Fayne averaged more than 18 minutes a game was in December and I think the d was suffering from injuries, regardless the team was awful for that stretch.

          Any defenceman that has trouble getting 18 minutes a night on the Oilers, under 3 different coaches can’t be that good.