Hall trade: It is based on Hope

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Oilers general manager Peter Chiarelli admitted the Edmonton Oilers traded away the best player in today’s Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson deal.

“That’s a fair comment, if you look at just what they’ve accomplished so far in the league,” said Chiarelli. “Larsson doesn’t have the same pedigree yet, but I believe in him a lot. He moves the puck quickly. He’s very smart,” continued Chiarelli.

He must like him a lot to trade the league’s third best left winger, behind Jamie Benn and Alex Ovechkin, and there is no denying Chiarelli took a big risk.

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Some call this a Bold move, but I’d rather not use that word considering its past history to the Oilers and transactions. I call it a move of Hope.

Here are my thoughts on the trade.

  • I’m not stunned Hall was traded, I sense the organization didn’t like him, which is idiotic, but I’m surprised this was the return. Proven RD are rare commodities, but so are forwards who can drive the play themselves. Larsson has steadily improved, but at this point he isn’t a proven top-pairing defender. He is tracking to be one, but proven and projection are very different at the NHL level. Hall is clearly the better player. Oilers lost this trade.
  • Chiarelli is hoping Larsson continues to develop and becomes a steady top-pairing D-man. He will never be flashy, and the best-case scenario I can see would be Marc-Edouard Vlasic. Vlasic doesn’t get a lot of attention, but he’s an excellent defender. And everyone knows the Oilers need D-men who can defend. If Larsson becomes Vlasic Chiarelli will be applauded mightily.
  • Vlasic might even be too high of a comparable because Larsson has played a total of 51:40 on the PP over the past four seasons. He plays mainly EV and SH. In 2014/2015 he did manage 24 EV/SH points, which was tied for 27th most among NHL defenders. Vlasic has predominately been a 20-25 point defender, but he has had a 36 and 39-point seasons.
  • The most interesting stat I uncovered about Larsson wasn’t even about him. During his rookie season he played 106:45 on the PP. As mentioned above he’s only played 51:40 on PP since. Mark Fayne led the Devils in PP minutes that year playing 123 minutes. The Devils blueline PP options in 2012/2013 were not great.
  • Maybe Larsson becomes Niklas Hjarlmarsson. An excellent defender, who only plays EV and SH and doesn’t produce many points. He’d still be a valuable asset. Ask Hawks fans how important Hjalmarsson was on their Cup winning teams? Just remember if he maxes out as Hjalmarsson, don’t be upset at Larsson. He didn’t make the trade. He should not be compared to Hall, even though they were traded for one another.
  • Don’t expect many points from Larsson and your chances of being not disappointed will be much better. “He logs a lot of minutes. He can match up against the top players. He has more offence to give,” said Chiarelli. The last line is very true.
  • Larsson will have a better chance to produce at EV with the Oilers because he’ll be passing to McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH and Eberle. McDavid could get him four or five assists from below the hashmarks in the defensive zone. Larsson does move the puck quickly, and that could be one of his biggest assets to the Oilers. However, very few D-men put up a lot of points in Edmonton with Hall and Eberle producing the 24th and 25th most points in the NHL the past five seasons. You need to have some good offensive instincts to be a point-producing defender. Larsson hasn’t shown much offensive creativity to this point.
  • I heard many suggest Chiarelli was trading from a position of weakness because everyone knew he needed a RD. Weren’t the Devils in the same position, looking for a proven offensive player? Chiarelli chose to make this trade, because he recognized the need to improve defensively. It was a risk, but I don’t buy the notion he was the only one in a position of weakness.
  • I don’t agree with the suggestion Chiarelli had to address the blueline and because of Connor McDavid and the other forwards sacrificing Hall to improve the D corps was a necessity. It is true they needed to improve the blueline, but this was a very risky move. I’m not sure he had to make it now, but I understand the urgency to improve his blueline instead of doing nothing, but replacing Hall will not be easy. I’d say it will be almost impossible to find a left-winger who can drive a line like Hall.
  • Hall can drive his own line. He doesn’t need to play with McDavid to produce points or create scoring chances. Milan Lucic (who we expect will sign a contract on Friday) offers a unique skillset, but he’s not a driver of a line. He’ll likely play with McDavid, and have success, but Hall’s departure means Leon Draisaitl or Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will have to drive the second line. Maybe they are ready, but again, that is based on hope, not a guarantee like Hall.
  • The Oilers would likely have improved next year even if this trade didn’t happen. A healthy Connor McDavid and Oscar Klefbom will make them much better next year. Adding Jesse Puljujarvi gives them better depth on the RW. Darnell Nurse will be improved and if Brandon Davidson stays healthy all year and plays the same as last season they are automatically better.
  • Larsson is in a much better position coming to Edmonton than Hall was six years ago. Larsson will have many more competent players around him. If he just plays to his strengths, and gets sheltered if, or when, needed he should be okay.
  • Hall played hard when he was here. He showed up. The organization wanted him to be the saviour, but they never protected him or surrounded him with quality players, especially on the blueline. I still don’t understand those who felt Hall was the problem. Some people just want to blame someone I guess, and instead of pointing the finger at incompetent management they incorrectly pointed to Hall. Hall was devastated when he heard the news. He wanted to be here. He finally saw some light at the end of the dark tunnel, but he’ll have to taste success elsewhere. I expect Hall to have great success in New Jersey. He produced points on a bad team, in a tough conference, and while the Devils aren’t a great team, they have an excellent goalie and they play in a weaker conference. I won’t be surprised to see him in the top-ten in scoring again.
  • Chiarelli will need to make some other astute moves to avoid this dealing backfiring on him. I’d be surprised if this trade is ever looked at as even equal, but if Chiarelli makes some other moves and this team becomes a playoff team the deal could be looked at differently by some. I see it purely as a Hope trade. Chiarelli is hoping Larsson becomes the solid top-pairing defender he believes he is. I can appreciate his yearning to improve his blueline, but, man, this was a risky move.
  • What stood out most for me in Chiarelli’s presser about the trade was his comment about needing to find a PP D-man. Jason Demers is not that guy. He has 41 career PP points in seven seasons. His career high came in his rookie season when he tallied 11 points on the PP. Does he have another trade up his sleeve? Can he afford to “lose” another trade, and still improve the team?
  • Darren Dreger mentioned on radio Lucic might be getting a seven-year deal from the Oilers. Yikes. If you thought people were angry today, wait until Friday if a seven year deal is announced.
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  • Oil drop

    So I tuned into the cbc news 42 minutes in. Three mentions of pk suban trade multiple references on the ticker. Not one note of hall trade.

    I feel like hall deal is bigger news but apperently wrong

  • Kurt

    5 minutes into the first hour where Jason goes on about character assassination. Calls out the organization for leaking info about Hall being a “cancer” etc. Haha he uses the term “jabroni” in a rant!

    Anyways, a guy called into Stauffer about 5 minutes later and told Bob about what Jason said. Bob froze and said he doesn’t have time for people saying that the organization thought Hall had a poor attitude. Gregor says he has people on record saying these things? I say if he’s willing to say something like that on air during a live rant, then you might as well prove it. On record my butt lol.

    But it sure does seem like Gregor overvalued the market on Taylor Hall. Guess scoring wingers just aren’t as valuable as he thought…

    • BubbaZanetti

      Maybe the Oilers should should just save us all from this misery and fire Chiarelli and make Gregor the GM, Willis can be be POHO and we’ll be hoisting the cup within a year…book it ?

  • JimmyV1965

    What bugs me the most about this is its just a continuation of what we always do. We’ve just traded a proven elite offensive producer for a basket of hope and unrealistic expectations. To replace Hall’s offence, we’re pinning our hopes on Drai and an 18 year old rookie. Wonder where I’ve seen that before.

    We’re also hoping Larsson can be as effective playing away from Greene, who we know zooms the dmen he plays with. I’m looking at you Matk Fsyne. And to top it off we are going to grossly overpay for a free agent.

    Is this what winning teams do? It’s now apparent to me that PC is as incompetent as the people he replaced. PC has done two positive things. Trade for Talbot and then trade for Maroon. But now he’s going to replace Maroon with someone who makes 4 times as much.

    • I don’t think the team is pinning hopes on Drai and an ’18 year old rookie’. That vastly understates the rest of the forward group and just who that ’18 year old rookie’ is.

      Consider this:

      Right now, even without Lucic, top 2 lines look something like:

      Maroon, McDavid, Eberle

      Pouliot, Nuge, Draisaitl / Puljujarvi

      With McDavid Maroon scored at nearly a ppg. McDavid himself scored at more than ppg in his rookie year, playing with the likes of Yak, Pouliot, and Maroon.

      Pouliot and Nuge have good chemistry and are able to handle top line competition. Add in Draisaitl who was absolutely lethal on his off wing playing with Nuge, and you have, without question, the best top six the Oilers have iced since the glory days.

      Yes Hall was a driver of the Draisaitl and Purcell line, but Nuge is very capable. He’s a great chip and place player, Pouliot is very good at forechecking and retrieving pucks. And Draisaitl on that wing was so good at gaining zone entry, turning back to protect the puck and making a sublime pass to the trailer in the slot. That line can work, especially as a second line.

      Now add in a guy like Lucic in place of Maroon, and the Oilers top line isn’t just McDavid carrying the mail.

  • Dawn

    Beer store? Pfft I’m doing Irish whiskey and it still hurts. Feel betrayed. We’ve been sold “hope” and “potential” for years. And now they trade a sure thing for more “hope” and “potential”. Wtf?

    I know. It’s partly my fault. I’ve been loyal and supportive through all of this. And they think the well will never run dry.

    If it was salary dump, what about Pouliot and Korp? Wouldn’t that have done the trick?

    Why did I even love this team? All they do is hurt me. Truth is I’ve always had bad judgement in this area.

  • Ol_OneNut

    Not saying if this is still relevant but…

    during the buildup to the 2011 draft, Larsson was considered to be one of the players that might go first overall.

    Edmonton chose Nuge first but at the time the talk was that Larsson could be the next Lidstrom.

    Now I’m not saying that he has progressed like he’s the next Lidstrom, but Dmen do take longer to develop sometimes…

    And he has been trending upwards, hasn’t he?

  • GK1980

    I’ve had some time to digest this trade but here is my conclusion. Taylor is gone and now we all need to support Larson and encourage him while he developes. Wish Taylor all the best but what is done is done.

    I personally would not have done this trade. Hope chia is right.

    • My thoughts exactly. And Chiarelli is a smart hockey guy, he has a plan. All I say is let’s judge this from a macro perspective at the end of the offseason. We lost big time on this trade, but Chiarelli could very well make us a contender. Time will tell.

    • 786

      While I agree with Jason it’s difficult to respect the organization that keeps clowns like Lowe, Mact and Howson after they literally destroyed a once proud hockey club, I don’t understand why he sees the trade as sort of a punishment to Hall or Hall being used as a scapegoat.

      Unfortunately Hall is the price they have to pay to get Larsson. That’s the market price. Do you think if PC can get the same return for Eberle or RNH, he wouldn’t have done it? I don’t think PC holds anything against Hall. He just paid the price he had to to address a key deficiency in the organization. Unfortunately market condition decides it’s Hall.

      Don’t understand why Hall also sees the trade as almost an insult to him. It’s business, not personal.

  • OilBlood

    So when Connor returned from injury at what point in time was Hall ever “Driving” the second line.

    He disappeared. Yes he’s great player but he never meshed well in a line with Connor and never showed to be the second “driver” of a line.

    It’s always the same argument about Hall and how he supposedly “drives” a line and “pushes the river”

    What has it gotten us?

    Our TEAM is better today than it was yesterday and it will be even more so when Lucic is signed.

    Good luck to Hall and wish him nothing but the best but this team needed a major culture change, Hall may not have been the main problem for the last 10 years missing the playoffs but he was here for the last 6 and all you can say about him is that he was a “driver” of play. He wasn’t the solution.

    Our D needs fixing and if that was the return on Hall what do you think Nuge or Ebs would be getting? Or do you think we should have done nothing and repeat the last 6 years?

  • JermBank

    Say what you want, Taylor Hall took every loss personally. He understood our frustration in the crowd, shared it and often times showed it (how dare he splash Dallas’s shoe!). I personally loved it. This guy has a winner’s mentality and he should have seen the playoff with the Oilers.

    Gregor’s rant on 1260 yesterday was absolutely bang on. Frustration with this trade is completely fair, but make no mistake where you should direct it. Not Hall, not Larsson, not Chiarelli. Direct your frustration at the crew who ultimately put the team in a situation where trading one of the best LW in the league for an unproven Dman was totally necessary. And they all still work for the team, collect a pay cheque and have input on hockey operations. Scary.

    Props to Pistol Pete for having a huge pair, good luck to Hallsy in Jersey and welcome to Oil Country Adam Larsson. We’re all looking forward to seeing what you can do out there.

  • hockey1099

    listening to Gregor today was completely different than most. I think the oilers fan in him poked it’s head out today. There was passion, anger and you could tell he was a bit dumbfounded. Everything he said about Lowe, Mac t and howson was right.

    Bad trade hope it works out for us cause im tired of losing but I have been hoping the oilers would get good for a long time now.

    If this is what hall gets us imagine we can get for yak. Broken sticks and used jock straps should be he best we get

    • camdog

      What did he say about Mact, Lowe and Howson? When I was calling out Lowe, Mact and Howson many years ago for there incompetence, Gregor was calling fans like me out repeatedly…

  • Kurt

    Jason. Do you think Chiarelli didn’t shop 93 or 14 around the league first? Maybe consider that this is the market value of Hall. Spector brought up a lot of good points on Inside Sports on CHED tonight. He said it takes an elite Dman and get an elite Dman apparently in today’s NHL. You would be ignorant to think that Chiarelli didn’t try to bolster our blue line by trading away a different player before resorting to Hall.

    We changed our team today. We can’t be a worse team than the last few years. It’s not a black and white points for points situation that teams look for in a trade. It’s not Chiarelli’s first rodeo.

  • Armchair genius

    Well, I have a useless Hall jersey now! Bought it in his first year with all sorts of optimism of making the playoffs. Six short years later and we still finished second last, not the leader I had hoped. Management problems aside, the core of players Edmonton had should have performed better, and I blame that on poor attitudes, as one commenter on here said, after the trade deadline reset Hall was all but invisible!!
    For now, I’m going to give this kid a chance and won’t judge chirrelli til xmas. I’ve been hoping for the last ten years, and it hasn’t gotten better with who we had so I’ll make my judgment after I see the on ice product this fall!
    Welcome Edmonton Adam Larrson, I wish you all the best, and hope you bring down our GA, being we’ve been last or near last in the league in that category for a looooong time.

  • YakCity1039

    That PP guy has to be Tyson Barrie. Klefbom-Larsson as your top-pairing shutdown tandem to take on the Toews/Kane, Getzlaf/Perry, Johansen/Forsberg of the WC, with Sekera-Barrie as your 2nd pair offensive tandem.

    Klefbom – Larsson

    Sekera – Barrie

    Davidson – Gryba / Fayne / FA signing

    Nurse

  • I don’t think cap hit was a huge factor when Chia pulled the trigger. A factor, yes, but not anywhere near a deciding one. I think Chia searched out his man that met the following criteria:

    Larger frame
    Right hand shot
    Fits the age cluster
    Proven, or about to break out (this is where the hope comes in)
    Longer term value contract

    • Mitch92

      I think this is a pretty accurate assessment of the deal. If you subscribe to the three hundred game development theory for young NHL defensemen then Larsson is about to step into his own and take off as a bonafide top flight minute munching defender. Look at Jake Gardiner in Toronto. Last season as he passed the 300 game mark, he stepped up his game and along with Morgan Rielly afforded the Leafs the luxury of moving on from the Dion Phaneuf era of futility. Perhaps the acquisition of Adam Larsson signals the end of a futile era for the Oilers?

      • To me that’s still too big of an ‘if’ to give up a player who has undoubtedly proven himself to the team and the league. I’m a fan of Larsson, big time, I think he can project as a no. 1 Hedman-type defender, but what an asset to give up. This will be a career defining move for Chia for sure, and we’ll have no way of knowing how it will pan out until at least a couple of seasons.

  • Spaceman Spiff

    Jason, of course it’s “bold.” That’s what this is. This trade is the very definition of boldness. Trading Hall straight-up for Subban wouldn’t have been “bold” – it would have been a no-brainer (turns out, it was actually a non-starter).

    It’s funny. We nicknamed Tambellini “Mr. Dithers” because he wouldn’t make any big moves. We laughed when Kevin Lowe bragged about his six rings and “knowing a thing or two about winning” but never making a decent move. We made fun of MacT because he promised “bold” moves and never made one. But, then when someone finally comes along and makes a bold move, we rend our garments and fall into hysterics. As the rain poured in Edmonton yesterday afternoon, a lot of angst poured down on talk radio and Twitter and the melodrama was getting hard to stomach.

    This was boldness in the face of a cold reality: Taylor Hall was not worth what we thought he was worth.

    Oh sure, if you’re a fan or a blogger, or an accredited member of the media, it’s easy to throw around names for trades. It’s easy to say that Hall should fetch Subban, straight up. Or that the Oilers should jump at the chance to trade Draisaitl and the No. 4 for Subban, if the rumour’s true. Or the No. 4 pick for Dougie Hamilton, if that rumour’s true. Or any of the other ideas we’ve heard over the past few weeks. It’s easy to put together those combinations and discuss them on sports-talk-radio to fill up air time, or on sites like these to push readership. But none of it is reality.

    The GMs deal with reality, and the marketplace is where reality resides. Out on the open market, Hall was worth Adam Larsson. He wasn’t worth PK Subban. If he was, that trade would have happened last week and we know that now because, obviously, Subban was available for the “right price.” Taylor Hall, straight-up, was not the right price. Furthermore, given what happened yesterday, it also means that Hall wasn’t worth Shea Weber. And probably not OEL in Phoenix, either. It sucks and you don’t have to like it, but that’s the truth. That’s the cold reality.

    It’s not Hall’s fault. It’s the Oilers’ fault – they’re the ones who have been out of the playoffs for the last 10 seasons building a team that’s heavy on forwards and an absolute tire-fire on defence. Think about it – the Oilers have done such a bad job building their blueline, they’ve got, like, two serviceable right-shooting defencemen. That’s so bad, that’s laughable. Chia not only faced the task of upgrading his defence … he has to do it by finding guys who shoot right. I swear to you – I’ve been watching the NHL for more than 30 years and the righty/lefty quagmire on the Oilers’ otherwise-incompetent blueline has never happened before. It is without precedent.

    The 29 other teams in the NHL haven’t been blind to that reality and they obviously made that clear when Chiarelli came calling for trades.

    Statistically, Hall might be the second- or third-best left-winger in hockey, but out on the open market, he simply wasn’t worth what we thought he was worth. It’s tough to swallow, but it’s true. If there was a better deal there, it would have happened.

    The good news is this: All of the reports I heard yesterday about Larsson were of a good second-pairing guy who can play lots of minutes and do all of the little things right in the defensive zone. He’s on a great contract, he’s young, and by the sounds of it, his development curve is still trending upward towards “first-pairing potential.”

    Yes, Jason, that’s all based on “hope.” But being hopeful requires a certain amount of courage, conviction and, yes, boldness. Let’s recognize that.

    • Derzie

      Although well written, this is a very flawed analysis. You are concluding that since Chia made this trade, it was the best anyone could do and that Hall has been overvalued by the faithful. You are overlooking the fact that all this really says is that this was the ‘best that Chia could do’, not what Taylor Hall is actually worth. Your conclusion assumes that all GMs are created equal, more or less. We can all agree that Benning is out of his league. Would he get the same value out a trade as Ken Holland or Steve Yzerman? Does that make the player value correct if you base it on what Benning can get for player x? I understand the need to justify the move but it is a massive asset mismanagement. The good news is it was not for magic beans and Larsson fills a need. The bad news is the team is not better because of it until Hall’s point production is replaced.

      • Spaceman Spiff

        I haven’t overlooked anything. What I’m saying is that the “best Chia could do” and “what Taylor Hall is actually worth” are actually the same thing.

        The only lens we have to look at this is through the end result. Hall for Larsson. Everything else, including and especially, speculation on what other potential deals were doesn’t really matter because none of us conduct any business in the NHL trade market.

        I agree with you – not all GMs are created equal, but they do all work in the same marketplace. The trade market is a fluid thing – what you get now may not be the same as what you get three months from now, or in January, or next June. But if your need is now (and I believe it is in this case), then the price gets set and there you go.

        Your question on whether or not Ken Holland or Stevie Y or Benning (if any of them were in Chia’s shoes yesterday) would have produced a different trade is a good one. The short answer is: I don’t know.

        The longer answer is: trades don’t involve one GM … they usually involve two. The New Jersey GM has a team that finished 30th in league offence. He knew the Chia needed right-shooting defencemen and were beating every bush in the forest for them… but the bushes were turning him down. Jersey, meanwhile, could offer up a kid who isn’t a No. 1 but might be someday.

        Faced with a blueline with a shortage of right-shooters and a shortage of defencemen who know how to play defence, a gaggle of dynamic forwards under the age of 25, 10 straight years out of the playoffs, a 29th-place finish last year, a new building, an impatient fanbase and the most northerly market in a south-oriented league … yeah, I would think that three GMs you mentioned would bite the bullet and trade Hall for some help to address a burning need.

    • Jason Gregor

      Lowe never made good moves?

      You might want to check out summer or 2005 to the traded deadline of 2006. He overhauled team and they lost game 7 of Stanley Cup final.

      He traded for Pronger, Peca, Spacek, Tarnstrom, Samsonov and Roloson. In a span of seven months.

      He gave up Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch, Jeff Woywitka, Mike York, Cory Cross, Jani Rita, Tony Salmelainen, Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny and Marty Reasoner to get them.

      Lowe was never afraid to make moves. Some he made didn’t work. Some signings he’d like back, but saying Lowe never made good moves is 100% incorrect.

      And never judge value of a player based on a trade. Was Chris Pronger not as valuable as you thought because of the return he fetched in trades. I doubt it. There are many aspects of a deal, but suggesting one trade reflects the value of a player seems narrowminded.

      • TDSM31

        When Spiff is saying ‘We laughed when Kevin Lowe bragged about his six rings and “knowing a thing or two about winning” but never making a decent move.’ he’s referring to the general consensus that the majority of fans had regarding Lowe. I’ve been on this site for years and that was definitely the opinion that most had about Lowe. Right or wrong that was the consensus.

          • Jason Gregor

            Didn’t cherry pick anything. People can hate Lowe all they want, but the suggestion he never made good moves or was one who sat on his hands is simply incorrect. I simply pointed out the consensus was incorrect. Have a nice day.

          • TDSM31

            Uggghh, now I have to explain this…the overall point of Spiff’s post was not that everyone thinks Lowe never made a decent move as GM, rather that Chia should be recognized for making a bold move in the face of the harsh reality the Oilers are in. But you didn’t respond to his overall message, instead you took out a general comment he made (which was just one in a list of other more accurate statements regarding past GM’s) and responded only to that, knowing full well you could make an argument against it. Almost like correcting his grammar just to say you’re right. That is the very definition of cherry picking.

          • Jason Gregor

            His point was that Lowe did nothing and Chiarelli should be applauded for doing something. Lowe was never afraid to make moves, so suggesting he was and Chiarelli isn’t is complete BS. Which is why I commented on that. He wrote it exactly like that. You tried to say he didn’t’ mean it that way. Let him speak for himself, don’t presume you know what he was trying to say, but didn’t say it.

            Fact is he applauded Chia for being bold, but said Lowe never was. This is flat out wrong.

            As for a Bold move. I’m pretty sure my article said it was risky. Use any adjective you want, they are the same. Chiarelli admitted they traded away the more proven player. The better player.

          • TDSM31

            So its ok for you to call my suggestion BS but you remove comments I make about your posts??…by removing my cherry pick comment and then referring to the removal of it as ‘weak’. You’re a piece of work. Lets make that three comments you remove.

          • Spaceman Spiff

            Jason’s right. I did say that Lowe “did nothing,” but I was meaning post-2006. Lowe did make “bold” moves throughout the early-to-mid 2000s and I definite acknowledge that. Apologies to both of you.

      • Ed in Edmonton 1

        I think you overstate the case “never judge value of a player based on a trade”, although there is some truth in it.

        Players on traded away based on a judgement of the team that the team will be better after the trade than if the trade isn’t done. If the Blues had not traded Pronger they would have been in violation of the cap and would not have ben able to play him (or somebody else), so getting some value was better than no value.

        So PC made the call that the Oil will be better team with Larsen but without Hall than the other way round, if this turns out to be the case then PC did a good job. Even if Hall score 50 next year, the only metric is if this trade made the Oil better or not.

        With the Oil shelling out big$ to Lucic tomorrow, don’t underestimate the cap room this trade brings. It will help keeping McD in the fold.

        • Jason Gregor

          If you pay Lucic same money as Hall how does that save cap room? Especially when Lucic is less productive. I don’t see how paying Lucic same as Hall opens up cap space for McDavid.

          Hall wasn’t overpaid. If you are saying saving $1.8 on Hall for Larsson helps, sure, but it is then all given back by overpaying Lucic for six years is it not?

          • Ed in Edmonton 1

            I don’t think it is a coincidence that the trade came down the day after they agreed to terms with Lucic. Whatever the $ are for Lucic they will be significant and the cap saving obtained with the deal was part of the attraction.

          • DannyGallivan

            2 reasons: 1) The bet is Larsson improves over his $4.16M:5 year contract so you save cap space vs. performance i.e. IF he improves (and Chia said he expect he will) then to get the same player 2 yrs from now would near $6M e.g. D.Hamilton or Petry and he is young at 24, Ekman-Larsson at $5.5M in 2013 and Doughty at $7M in 2011 are bargains today, 2) not filling the RD void would have been a disaster so he had to make a move.

            With McDavid at $8M+ in a few years RNH:Ebs at $6M ea, we NEVER had the cap space for a Weber or a Subban in the long term anyway.

  • Mitch92

    I hope all the butt hurt Taylor Hall fans give Larsson a chance to show what he can do. A look into my crystal ball tells me that a year from now the Oilers will be happier with Larsson than the Devils fans will be with Hall.

  • MorningOwl

    essentially dropped a redundant forward – a position best described as an “embarrassment of riches”,in edmonton, for a Dman that at worst can play the top offenses and hold his own?

    wake up and get over it. Sure, i know fans expected Suban or OEL for Hall, but as you can see, that was never even going to be close to happening. Yes, a GM like Treliving would have gotten a lot more, but you have Chia – who has a history of these deals.

    given how hard it is to get bonofied stars to come to edmonton unless they are forced through the draft, this trade looks pretty good for Edmonton. Edmonton will continue to grossly overpay on trades until they are 1) able to deal from a position of strength, and 2) become attractive to prospects and free agents.

    this is actually a great move, even if the pay is inflated. my god oiler fans, you need to D-men that can play in the top pairing – and you got one!

    Now, Oilers need to trade Yak to Calgary for Wideman – a guy that is slightly overpaid, but who can quarterback the powerplay and put up the points from the blueline.

  • Jthunder

    I was sure that I’d never post to ON, but yet here I am.

    At first I was also pissed at the deal, it shocked me. How could Hall get traded for such a mediocre defensive commodity? What was Chia thinking?

    Then I started to dig in. The main thing that stood out to me was how hard it is to flip forwards to defensemen in trades – it happens but very rarely. Very hard thing to do.

    The other important part of the equation is will the loss of Halls points up-front be covered by the goals-against by improving the D? That’s basically the question. Can we fill hall’s spot with new forwards, Lucic and Puljujarvi and others that will generate almost the same level of points while reducing the goals against.

    Based on the 2015/16 stats here’s how that shakes out:

    Hall – 65 points (-4)

    Lucic – 55 points (+26)
    Puljujarvi – 36 points (+3) comparison with Elhers in Winnipeg
    Larsson – 18 points (+15)
    Demers – 23 points (+16)
    Ellis – 32 points (+13)

    Fayne – 7 points (-6)
    Gryba – 6 points (even)

    Overall the Oilers were 199 Goals for and 242 Goals against
    San Jose (3rd place in the Division) was 237 Goals for and 207 Goals against

    So we need to generate 38 more goals, and knock 35 goals against.

    Its not simple math, but I think we’re getting really close if we can get 97 healthy and productive all year, and maybe even eliminate a few more of the minus players. A couple that come to mind:

    Shultz – was a disaster at -20 (and only 10 points in 45 games) and we rid ourselves of that already.

    Mark Letestu -21
    Lauri Korpikoski -17
    Nail Yakupov -16

    Eliminate some of the defensive liability, either by enforcing defensive habits or limit the ice-time.

    I really think this is moving in the right direction. It sucks to lose a really offensive player that makes the game exciting with his skill, but in the end it is about the right mix of offense and defence to get you into that divisional top 3.

    What’s next Chia? Even with Lucic and Demers there’s no way you are done.

    On the Hamilton comparison – he was a -14 last year with a decent 42 points, basically a wash.

  • Ed in Edmonton 1

    Its been a rough last couple of months for Hall for sure. Being left off the Canadian team (how do those who clain Hall as one of the top 3 LW in the world explain that)and now being dealt. No doubt is ego is bruised, it will be interesting to see how he responds in Sep.

  • btrain

    I can understand that Hall was traded and that Larsson was acquired. When looking at the roster, of the 6 million dollar men, Hall was the only one occupying a position (LW) of relative strength. What upsets me and disappoints me is that Larsson was the only thing that came back to the Oilers in this trade. You cannot tell me a 1st round draft pick at minimum should have also been coming back to the Oil! Like the Devils are going to find a better deal elsewhere for an elite scoring winger! This deal needed to be sweetened to make up for the bitterness of losing such an elite player and that didn’t happen. Which is a shame because even with Hall, the Devils are a mediocre team which will likely be picking high in the draft next year.

    • Spiel

      For everyone panning the Devils as not as good as the Oilers, you do know that they finished 14 points higher than the Oilers last year, right?

      They also have about $20 million in cap space, one the best goalies in the league, and they had two 25 yr olds coming off of 30 goal seasons (Palmieri and Henrique). No one on the Oilers scored 30 goals last year.

      • Moneyball1976

        I agree the Devils are better managed than the Oilers. They are building a team and made a great acquisition in picking up Hall for next to nothing.

        One would have though they could have passed on korpikoski to the devils to at least save Katz the buyout money.

      • btrain

        I suggested the Devils were mediocre (i.e. average, middle of the pack, etc). I did not even come close to suggesting a comparison between the Oilers and Devils. When I think of the Oilers I would suggest such descriptions as “bottom feeders” or “basement Dwellers”. To be able to call the Oilers Mediocre would be an improvement!

        The Devils do have some good pieces, there is no denying that. That said, I would way rather have the roster that the Oilers have then I would want the Devils roster. The Devils are one of many Eastern Conference teams in that mediocre range, in which they could make the playoffs any given year, but are unlikely to pose any real threat at a deep run. Having McD alone gives the Oilers a better likelihood of success.

  • TurkeyLips

    If Oil started next season without someone, anyone, to fit in the top 2 comfortably they’d be in a dire state.

    Competent top pairing defence has proven to be of vital importance in the NHL. The Oilers needed this crucial asset, and on the right side to boot – an overpayment was necessitated from the start.

    Adam Larsson may not be elite nor flashy, but he proved somehwat effective on the top pairing of one of the better defensive teams in the league. The question remains, will he improve the team beyond the loss of 60+ points Hall put up last year? Who knows. All we know is that beggars can’t be choosers.

    It seems good + young top 4 D are extremely valuable assets to have these days. They’re worth a lot and cost an arm and a leg to trade for. Properly developing defenseman from the draft is literally the only way to go.

    I kind of pity the Oilers situation, and their total lack of leverage on this trade. A second or third rounder should have also gone back the other way. Hall is a perennial first overall, someone your team stumbles upon once a decade. Larsson is the kind of D you find in the top 10 of every draft year. I guess that’s what you get for trading from a position of absolutely zero strength. Regardless, this will be a fun trade to follow.