Monday Mailbag – Trouba?

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Once again, the weekend has left us yearning for retirement but we’re all years away from getting there. Not that the Mailbag will kill off the last 10-30 years of your working career, but it will help you get a few minutes closer to that magical day where you’re able to hang up your work pants and do nothing. As always, I need questions for next week’s mailbag so please send them to me through email or on Twitter. Until then, it’s time to check out this week’s edition of the mailbag and learn something. 

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TroubaFishing

1) Stephen asks – If you were to play armchair GM, what kind of package do you think it would take for the Oilers to acquire Jacob Trouba? Would it be worth it?

Robin Brownlee:

It’s not worth it if part of the package is Darnell Nurse, but the Jets are going to want a D-man back and the conversation from their end likely starts there. 

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Jason Gregor:

I think the cost would be more than what it took to land Hamilton and less than Larsson. I would be surprised if they can come up with something the Jets are willing to accept. I think the Oilers will start the season and see how things go. If Jets struggle their demands likely go down. 

Lowetide:

I don’t think the package would be worth the price. In my opinion, the Jets would want a more established player than Darnell Nurse, and they appear to want a LHD. That leaves Oscar Klefbom and I don’t think that represents a good trade for Edmonton.

Jonathan Willis:

Darnell Nurse, probably plus a little bit but perhaps not. There’s little doubt in my mind that such a trade would be worthwhile; they’re virtually the same age and Trouba is the more accomplished NHL player. More importantly, Trouba is a righty and Nurse is a lefty, and bringing Trouba in does a lot to balance the top-four. Such a trade would instantly improve the Oilers’ chances at making the postseason this year and probably for the next half-decade. Losing Nurse would stink, but at some point a left-shot will need to leave to bring in a right-shot player.

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Jason Strudwick:

I really like Trouba. He is skilled and nasty, two skills that are hard to come by in the same player. I expect the trade would be expensive. If I were the Jets I would ask for Oscar K back. I believe that Trouba is using the two right D ahead of him to mask the fact he doesn’t want to play in Winnipeg anymore. Would he want to play in Edmonton? Maybe with 97 here it could help.

Matt Henderson:

The only thing I’ve read about the ask is that they want a comparable young left handed defender in return. The only player who fits the bill on the Oilers is Nurse. Trouba is better and only one year his senior. If the idea is that they want to “keep their powder dry” for a better Dman than Trouba, I doubt another will be available. I think it’s funny that some would rather wait for a fictional future where the team might get a shot at a better defender instead of acting today to get better.

Chris the Intern:

If Darnell Nurse for Jacob Trouba were an option, I would do it. Tough to say as they’re both young guys. It all depends on how much you like Darnell Nurse. Right-hand defensemen are hard to come by so it’s hard to say no to much.

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Baggedmilk:

This is how I feel this negotiation would go… 

Cheveldayoff: We want Nurse

Chiarelli: How about Reinhart?

Cheveldayoff: Nah. Darryl.

Chiarelli: Davidson?

Cheveldayoff: Dar-ryl.

Chiarelli: Taylor Ha… dammit

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2) Tyler S. asks – As perfect a fit as Trouba seems, is anyone not concerned with his attitude. “He wants an opportunity to play his natural side in a starting role, money is not the issue”. To me, that says “I don’t want to earn or win a position, I want it given to me.” Do the oilers really need that right now as the culture changes?

Robin Brownlee:

I’m not concerned with his attitude. If Trouba feels buried in WInnipeg and wants to move, he has the right to make that request. As for the “culture change” buzz phrase, the culture will change when the organization starts winning instead of losing and finishing at or near the bottom of the standings. That’s the greatest culture change of all.

Jason Gregor:

I don’t see it being an attitude problem. Many players play better in their natural position. I don’t see it as a “give it to me” stance. He played 22 minutes last year, so he has was given ice time. I think there is more to it than just playing left or right. I think he wants out of Winnipeg not just due to playing RD or LD.

Lowetide:

I feel agents frame the issue for their client and that may or may not be the problem. Whatever the reason, a very good defender is available—all teams would be wise to investigate acquiring him. 

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Jonathan Willis:

No, I’m not concerned at all. Trouba was playing 22 minutes per game last season, and the fact he was moved over to the left side probably should be seen as a sign of the coach’s confidence, rather than a lack thereof, given that you don’t play a struggling guy on his off-side. Playing well won’t get him back to his strong side; it will just reinforce the coach’s decision to keep him on the left. The Jets have three good right-shot defenders signed long-term; the math here isn’t difficult. Additionally, studies have shown that players on their offside generally see a decline in performance; if you’re Trouba at the start of your career its important to be on the correct side to maximize your earnings.

Jason Strudwick:

I don’t believe he wants to be in Winnipeg anymore. It isn’t the opportunity to play. And yes I would take him in a flash if the trade made sense.

Matt Henderson:

I want the guy on my team who thinks he can do more. If we start worrying about character instead of talent the Oilers will be out of the playoffs for another decade. “Character” is just code for “winning” anyway.

Chris the Intern:

You may make a good point but at the same time I will try not read too much into one line from a player’s interview. Even if it was a clear sign of bad behaviour, I would look past it in order to snag Trouba. 

Baggedmilk:

The kid wants to play and doesn’t think there’s a spot for him to do that in Winnipeg. I get it. Does it look kinda shitty? Yeah, of course, but let’s not pretend that we’ve never quit jobs because we weren’t amped on our employer.

YearOne

3) Jolene asks – I’ve seen some tweets where people are worried about the chemistry between McDavid and Lucic already but, for me, it seems too early. What are your thoughts on developing chemistry in the pre-season, and how much thought would you put into the slow start?

Robin Brownlee:

People worried about chemistry (right after the Vancouver game) are prone to worrying, period. It’s obviously very important that the Oilers get off to a good start, and much of that will depend on McDavid and Lucic meshing, but that’s a matter of learning on-ice tendencies. That’s what “chemistry” is. It takes more than one practice and a game or two to achieve that.

Jason Gregor:

You need time to adjust and expecting fireworks in one game is delusional in my eyes. I haven’t see one person talk about Caggiula having great chemistry with Maroon due to his two goal game. Caggiula finished off a pass, where Lucic misfired a few passes from McDavid in game one. Does that mean they have no chemistry? Not for me. If he scores once do they magically have chemistry? There is way more to it than just points. It is about reading off one another and knowing how they play. That will take some time. By the time you read this the line will have scored a goal versus LA and those who overreacted will be calm. 

Lowetide:

I think it is a win-win. Benoit Pouliot and Patrick Maroon both have chemistry with McDavid, so if Lucic doesn’t find it the club can run the big man with Nuge or Leon. I would give it 20 games, suspect the Oilers will find a way to make this work—and I agree it is too early for sweeping statements.

Jonathan Willis:

I wouldn’t worry too much about a lack of chemistry at this juncture because it’s so early. The preseason is also a sharply limited tool; I don’t remember the chemistry between Patrick O’Sullivan and Mike Comrie carrying over to the regular season.

Jason Strudwick:

I believe it was my good friend Mariah Carey who said ‘ Love takes time…’  It is rare for two people to fall in love on the first date although it is beautiful when it happens. Way too early to get concerned. That being said I would like to see Lucic and Draisaitl play together. A big heavy line that would be a nice contrast of styles to the pure speed of 67/97/14.

Matt Henderson:

The Lucic-McDavid combination started off looking disjointed and I wrote about that, but there are legitimate reasons for that. McDavid played in the WCoH and was at 100% game speed. They barely even had time to practice with each other and Lucic didn’t look like he was close to game speed. McDavid will get his points. His wingers will benefit.

Chris the Intern:

They literally played less than 20 minutes together in one game, so the lack of chemistry between the two of them is the last thing on my mind. With that said, if someone is lighting it up in the preseason and showing a tonne of chemistry with someone that’s great! However, if they are slow/not showing good chemistry I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

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Baggedmilk:

Let’s pump the breaks here, guy. You can pretty much count the number of times that these two guys have skated with each other on one hand. Let’s give it a minute before throwing the duo under the bus.

Kreuger

4) Rene asks – With Europe being surprising so many at the World Cup do you think that would translate to another NHL coaching job for Ralph Kreuger?

Robin Brownlee:

Sure, it could, but Ralph is busy enough and makes enough money with the irons he’s got in the fire now that he can pick and choose what he does.

Jason Gregor:

I’m sure he will have offers when his soccer contract is up. But, I read an article where he said he thought the World Cup would be his last hockey gig, so maybe he is happy being involved in soccer.

Lowetide:

It may, but he would have to take a helluva pay cut. Also, I like Ralph but his teams play a very defensive style and one hopes the fans of Las Vegas (that city gets mentioned a lot with Ralph) receive a more exciting brand of hockey.

Jonathan Willis:

Krueger’s got a pretty good job already, but he certainly helped himself at the World Cup. I think the jury is still out on him as an NHL coach — we need to see what he would do with more games — but he’s highly personable and he impressed a lot of people. 

Jason Strudwick:

Yes. I really liked him as an assistant coach. He had great drills that were unique. It was fun to be challenged in that way. I do think we will see him back in the NHL.

Matt Henderson:

The only reason Ralph isn’t coaching right now is because he wanted to honor his soccer commitments. If he wanted a job in the NHL he would have it. The WCoH only helped his cause. It’s funny how we look on guys like Krueger versus an NHL employed coach like Tortorella after that tournament.

Chris the Intern:

I would hope so. He didn’t get a real fair shot with Edmonton, he deserves another kick at the can.

Baggedmilk:

The World Cup was funny because Kreuger’s success was like a kick to the balls for a lot of Oilers fans. You see this guy that is well spoken, well respected, obviously well versed in coaching, and then you remember that he was fired over Skype for the donut fun police. What a world!

Caggiula

5) Barry asks – I think Drake Caggiula is having a great camp so far. What more does he have to do to make the opening roster, and do you think he will be able to achieve that?

Robin Brownlee:

More of the same. His offensive instincts and versatility make him a solid candidate to at least start the season here.

Jason Gregor:

He needs to keep playing well as the games get harder and he sees more NHL regulars. Putting up points is great, but as he plays more NHL teams his play in his own zone will be the deciding factor if he stays. He has looked good so far, but it is still early.

Lowetide:

He has to keep doing what he is going, deep into camp and through the regular season. The lineups get more difficult as the pre-season continues, and that will be the test.

Jonathan Willis:

I wonder a little bit whether the battle is between Jesse Puljujarvi and Drake Caggiula. I’d be surprised if Kris Versteeg didn’t make the team, and that really only leaves one spot for those two players inside the top-nine. From a development perspective, if they aren’t playing top-nine minutes neither of them should be in the NHL.

Jason Strudwick:

Be consistent. Every game in the exhibition gets a little tougher with more every day NHLers in the lineup. Let’s see how he looks towards the end of it.

Matt Henderson:

He needs to show he can be effective in his own zone, play with Edmonton’s third tier of wingers, hope Draisaitl looks better on the wing than down the middle AND the Oilers want Puljujarvi in the AHL. Then there is nothing else for him to do.

Chris the Intern:

Honestly I don’t think there’s much more he can do, besides maintain it. He’s shown everyone that he is capable of playing with the team and producing, now he just has to keep it up, and prove that it wasn’t beginners luck. 

Baggedmilk:

I’m loving the Drake. This kid has been slippery on the ice, producing on the scoresheet, and doesn’t seem to be afraid to get in the mix. If Caggiula was about four inches taller the entire league would be in love with this kid. I think, if he wants to make the team, that he has to keep doing what he’s doing. If he does, it will be nearly impossible for Todd McLellan to cut him.


  • 24% body fat

    Ok so Trouba more than HAmilton and Less than Larsson.

    So 1st 2nd and 3rd +

    -2017 First, should be in the same range as flames gave up
    -2018 second about the sames as what the flames gave up
    -Reinhart equal to a third round pick hopefully

    Now whats the plus?

    Is this worth it?

      • Jason Gregor

        Ask the Flames if Hamilton was worth a 1st and two 2nds.

        Compare Trouba to a D-man equal to him, Hamilton, instead of Reinhart who has yet to prove he is NHL regular.

          • Randaman

            The key here with all these trade scenarios is that Trouba is worth more than Nurse or Klefbom. You might not like to hear this but it is a fact.

            Klefbom for Trouba is a deal I make ASAP. Nurse too.

          • madjam

            I take it your saying Laine is more valuable than Trouba , which I tend to agree . I also feel Jesse is worth the same as Laine and maybe more in future than Laine , and thus a better fit than trading him for someone like Trouba straight across .

            Jesse finally showed signs of his dominance in Finnish playoffs last year in last nights game in an NHL setting . He handled himself very well against heavy competition . He is going to be a dominate force in the near future .

            Top end of Jesse should far exceed that of Trouba . Gregor out to lunch giving up Jesse plus .

          • who

            I would say Eberle for trouba would be accepted by most Edmonton fans. But Winnipeg has no reason to make this trade. First of all Eberle is not full value for trouba and secondly Winnipeg is loaded at right wing. Wheeler, laine armia stafford. Why would they want Eberle. You need to consider the other teams needs in your trade proposals.

          • Oilerchild77

            Hi. Do you know what hypothetical means? Because that’s what these comments are. We are aware that they won’t take Eberle. We’re just being fans and having our fun.

            Ok. So how about Davidson+Pouliot?

            They need LHD and are one LW down after they traded Ladd.

          • who

            Yeah I know what hypothetical means. Thanks. I also know that all trade proposals here are hypothetical. However it would be nice if there was some sound reasoning behind the proposals.
            Otherwise we just end up with a bunch of Reinhart plus Yak for Trouba type ideas.
            For instance your Davidson plus Pouliot idea has merit. Solves the Jets two biggest roster issues. Lefty dman and experienced left winger. Also evens out the money nicely.
            Don’t know if the Jets would do it and don’t know if edmonton can afford to give up these two pieces but it is at least a credible scenario.

          • Heatedsnowman

            Nurse or klefbom plus for a guy who was a 7th defenseman on team north America.
            Judging by that , and Bob stauffers input on the subject.. McClellan and chia seen what they seen, and don’t seem to interested.

          • Spydyr

            I have not once mentioned trading Nurse or Klefbom . Seems like a lateral move to me but for the sake of argument. Nurse did not even make Team North America.

          • RJ

            What do you mean they wouldn’t be interested?

            Maybe they don’t like the price, but there is a premium on RHD. He’d instantly be the 2RHD here.

            As for the TNA depth chart, Ekblad, Hamilton and Jones are pretty stacked. They are all quality.

          • Jason Gregor

            Why are you changing the trade offer? No one said Puljujarvi.

            He said 2017 first. Which will not be #4 if you get Trouba and give up nothing off the roster.

            Instead of trying to change offer stick with original suggestion. You said Oilers 2017 first three round picks not worth Trouba, a proven top-three defender. There is no chance the Jets would trade him for three picks, they want a LD, but even if it was Puljujarvi and a 2nd and 3rd, I’d still likely make the deal. Puljujarvi might be really good, but he isn’t as proven and Trouba is already a proven top-three defender, who could easily mature into a very good #2.

          • Spydyr

            How do you know it will not be #4? Have you seen the injuries the Oilers are suffering already and the goaltending so far?

            I’m a firm believer that you do not trade any asset until you understand it’s true value. No one knows what position the Oilers will be drafting next summer. Trading a years worth of draft picks for a pretty good not great defencman is not something I would consider.

      • JimmyV1965

        Seems to me Jim Nil has improved his team plenty by making trades. This notion is ridiculous. Plenty of teams in plenty of leagues have improved through trades.

  • knee deep in it

    Whether it is Trouba or someone else, trading a LHD is the right thing to do. Nurse and Davidson do not look comfortable on the left, Klef is our #1, Sekera has a NMC.

    At some point, the org is going to have to chose between Davidson and Nurse as their 3rd pairing LHD. It is a waste of talent to have either of them playing so few minutes.

    • JimmyV1965

      Seems to me Jim Nil has improved his team plenty by making trades. This notion is ridiculous. Plenty of teams in plenty of leagues have improved through trades.

  • madjam

    It’s early but i am not convinced/sold Lucic’s style fits all that well with McDavid and Eberle . Conner did not mesh with Hall at first either . Would not mind seeing Jesse try left side with McDavid
    and Eberle . There is still Draisaitl yet to evaluate where he best fits as well .
    Drake making a case but taking a few to many hits .
    Trouba seems to want to play in the U.S.A. side of NHL ?

  • Serious Gord

    Absolutely. The oils need is rhd. Not on the wing. Trouba is an excellent established fit.

    Puljujarvi is unproven though undeniably promising. Mcdavid has two years of elc. We need defense NOW.

      • Cowbell_Feva

        Good hard shot…but would score 0 times out of 20 in an actual NHL game from there.

        What I liked more was the awareness in the defensive zone that caused a turnover and then good puck support breaking out of his own end. He almost seems like a 2nd centerman on the ice. When he gets up and skating he looks impressive. When his legs stagnate, he looks like a young kid struggling to keep up to the men.

        I think some AHL seasoning would help him. No point in killing his confidence. We saw what happened to Leon.

        The competition is only going to increase. He will be good, but no point force feeding him minutes when he can develop, you know, in a development league. The NHL is not a development league. I have seen way too many Oilers put into positions of failure at a young age the last decade.

        • Spydyr

          I agree with everything you said. Yeah, that shot wont go in often but the same shot ten to fifteen feet closer will. IMO he is McDavid’s future trigger man.

  • Nuts Ack

    I would trade Nurse for Trouba yesterday if the trade was there. BM- breaks are what you get falling down the stairs after a late night out. Brakes are what you pump to slow down.

  • Kevwan

    A big part of McDavid’s game is puck pressure – creating loose pucks and forcing bad passes.

    Pouliot and Maroon read off Conner and support his forecheck and vice versa. Lucic hasn’t show that ability (so far).

    I think that if the McDavid-Lucic combo is going to work at evens, then it has to be with someone other than Eberle. I’m not criticizing either player but together they’re not right with McDavid.

    As for Krueger, amazing job at the WC. No doubt he’ll be back if he wants to.

  • @Hallsy4

    Nurse, Letestu, this years 2nd and next years 3rd for Trouba. I hate to give up Nurse, hate it. But as others have said, it balances the Right, Left D. All of a sudden we have a solid D core for the next 5 years.

  • @Hallsy4

    I’ve really never watched Trouba much. But if he’s a proven RHD with a nasty side, a trade from the left side makes sense, and Nurse is probably the only one who gets it done. Tough call, but we’d finally have a D core and not be waiting for potential. That would leave Davidson as the perfect 3rd pair LHD with either Fayne or Gryba

  • @Hallsy4

    Love the Ralph. Thinking about it more, maybe Davidson and next years first get Trouba? Tough call, maybe post expansion draft is the time to do such deals. I don’t know, depends how good Trouba is…. This might be the year Nurse takes a step, and the Oil take a step close to playoffs, and next year McDavid is ready to go far in Playoffs with some Western conference powerhouses getting older

  • @Hallsy4

    Like what Struds said with Lucic and Drai

    Maroon McDavid Ebs

    Lucic Nuge Drai

    Pouliot Drake Versteeg

    Hendo Letestu Kassian

    I’d also be happy if Pulj plays well and is on second line with Drai and Lucic… Leaving Pouliot Nuge and Versteeg as one of the best 3rd lines in the league. We finally have depth at forward and don’t have to rely on Hall, Nuge, Ebs. Does Winnipeg do a Yakupov, Davidson and a 2nd for Trouba? I agree it’d be a steal by the Oil, but Trouba has asked for a trade, and a former 1st overall pick mightmake the trade easier to explain to Jets fans by Cheveldayoff

  • Gordie Wayne

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Trouba here, but the cost is likely too high.

    Can’t we add some simple depth with one of the following:

    – James Wisniewski (just released from PTO by Lightning who have oodles of d-men, 2 years removed from a 51 point season)

    – Christian Erhoff (now on a PTO with Bruins, but should be cheap if he is released and could probably help our powerplay)

    – Kris Russell (if he comes cheap on a 1 year which I doubt, but it’s getting later and later)

    Marek Zidlicky?

    Jakub Nakladal?

    Depth anyone? Davidson was hurt last night and it would help to have a little bit of D depth this year.

  • RJ

    As for the McDavid-Lucic chemistry topic; it’s early.

    Hopefully people pump the brakes on both sides of the subject. It’s too early to say they won’t have chemistry. At the same time, it’s too early to say they will have chemistry either.

    I think it’s at least reasonable to think he might be a quality veteran to play with Drai. He had a weak rookie season, and a much stronger second season. He played well at the WCOH; help him keep it going with a quality vet could be the key to unicorns (3 scoring lines).

  • MessyEH!

    Ralph Krueger will always be remembered around these parts.

    He’s like the high school sweetheart you dumped for some new piece of tail.

    It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. In retrospective you lost.

    Mac thought Eakins was a hot piece of Ace.

  • Cowbell_Feva

    James Wisniewski isn’t the answer. I would take Marek Zidlicky, Russell or Nakladal over him any day.

    As far as Edmonton getting Trouba, good luck. He is an American kid holding out because he didn’t like his usage. As has been suggested, he probably just wants out of the Peg and wants to go to an American city.

    I’m sure Chiarelli has kicked those tires 2 to 3 times over. As much as it would help our team, I think he will end up in Detroit or NYR when all is said and done.

  • FireScorpion

    You’ll never get him. Never..file him away in the folder of RHD we circled in the Wish Book for Christmas but Mom and DAD never got for us.

    Hamilton, Jones, Subban, Trouba