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Maroon or Lucic?

I got a clip from yesterday’s Oilers Now emailed to me this morning (thanks, Mark!) and I thought they were having a conversation worth talking about. Would the Oilers be better off with Maroon or Lucic?

Bob Stauffer brought up the point that the Oilers could be in a tough spot when it comes to picking who they want as their top line left wingers. Do they go with Lucic, who is already signed to a big contract with term, or do they go with Pat Maroon that needs a new deal this summer.

“I don’t know if you can have both Maroon and Lucic as your top two left wings. And I think we all know Lucic is going to be here.”

Is that a nice way of saying that Lucic’s contract is untradeable? Maybe? Probably? Does this imply that Pat Maroon won’t be re-signed? Anyway… Moving on.

“I know Maroon is a very popular player. I would be concerned about a long term contract on Maroon just based on his history as a player.”

Bob brings up a fair point here. Aside from his time as an Oiler, Pat Maroon has never really been considered a goal scorer. The Big Rig has put up some solid numbers in spurts but he’s never had the same, consistent production base as Lucic. The difference, of course, is that Maroon is outperforming Lucic right now and doing it at a much cheaper rate. Will that always be the case? is there even an option here?

“Frankly to this date in their careers, Lucic has been a far more consistent player than Maroon, though it must be stated Maroon has been a better fit with McDavid so far.”

The interesting point is that Bob is right on both counts in this last quote and it’s going to be a gamble for the Oilers to pick one route over the other. Are the Oilers better off sticking with the proven producer (albeit at a likely higher cap hit), or should they try to do what it takes (read: get fleeced on a trade) to move Milan and give Pat Maroon a contract that sees him riding shotgun with Connor McDavid? Is Maroon simply a byproduct of MacDavid, or is he driving play on his own?

THE BIG MEN AS OILERS

Milan Lucic

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2016-17 Edmonton Oilers NHL 82 23 27 50 50 -3 13 2 4 6 20
2017-18 Edmonton Oilers NHL 14 2 5 7 14 -1
NHL Totals   743 184 270 454 915   114 28 42 70 179

Pat Maroon

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2015-16 Edmonton Oilers NHL 16 8 6 14 34 6
2016-17 Edmonton Oilers NHL 81 27 15 42 95 13 13 3 5 8 28
2017-18 Edmonton Oilers NHL 14 4 6 10 10 2
NHL Totals   315 65 80 145 388   42 12 14 26 72

 

  • AlexTheOilersFanSince2006

    Keep em both I say. Oil Country LOVES Pat and Milan is another beast when he’s on his game. That being said, I’d say 85% of Maroon’s production is a by-product of McDavid, but he’s not useless by himself.

  • Spoils

    i hate the salary cap.

    i love it come playoff time, when so many teams have a shot (as opposed to the disaster that is the NBA two team league).

    but, man do I hate the cap.

  • Consultant

    Someone just needs to let Chia know that Maroon’s production is partly being paid for in the 12.5 given to McDavid.
    He didn’t get this when signing his other winger (Drai) for 8.5…
    With Chia at the helm, all we can do is just hold our breath, hope he doesn’t make a trade (get fleeced again) or extend Maroon. With Chia’s history, Maroon will be thinking 3.5 million per but Chia will first jump in and offer 5.5.

  • the dope $teez

    Love Maroon, but he will have to be traded. Hate Lucic, but he’s impossible to trade… Just another #Oilers predicament.
    If they could somehow teach Looch how to make a pass or score a goal that may increase his value to the team. His value to other teams doesn’t matter unless his BFF Chia can get him to waive his NMC.
    But I hear he’s good in the room, so…

  • OilersGM

    I wish it was possible to move Lucic and I like Maroon but time to move on and bring in Evander Kane to play the left side with McDavid. His a more proven goal scorer than Maroon and a faster player also great on PK. I would trade Strome for Kane in a heartbeat and sign him to an extantion. Kane can be had but who knows where Chia’s Head is at.

  • Petrolero

    What surprised me the most about this article is that Lucic has 7 points. I thought he had like 3. They’re both producing at a similar rate but Lucic is doing without MacDavid and kind of playing like crap. I like Maroon a lot but the stone cold logic says if he can’t be had for cheap the he can’t be had at all. MacDavid is more than capable of making another middling cheap winger better. If it comes down to paying Maroon or Nurse, I choose Nurse.

    • 24% body fat

      The team already go much bigger that year. Nurse, Kassian, Slep, Drai, JP, Larsson, Maroon,

      sure Lucic adds more size but he also heavily slows this team down. See something different than the guys listed above. The guys above can keep up with the play and dont look like molasses trying to get off the ice.

  • BendingCorners

    Trade Maroon at the TDL to an eastern team trying to make but likely to miss the playoffs. Get a draft pick (2nd or 3rd round) in return. He’s replaceable and Lucic has an NMC.

  • Consultant

    Since Lucic already is getting the big money why not try him again with McDavid, at least he won’t need a raise.
    If Maroon could continue to produce without McDavid then we’ll all feel a bit more comfortable with Chia’s inevitable overpay.

      • Consultant

        Agreed, but I’m not worried about Maroon’s ultimate asking price, I’m worried that our GM couldn’t negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag and might jump at Maroon camp’s first ‘pie in the sky’ asking price…

      • Mahaloeh

        Lucic scores more than Maroon & never plays with McDavid 5×5, he’s much tougher & he’s now got chemistry going with Nuge & Sleppy who provide the better than average speed for that line! Love that line & Sleppy just needs to get healthy.

  • 15w40

    Maroon over Lucic. One roster doesn’t need Kassian, Maroon, and Lucic. Kassian has the foot speed, both Lucic and Maroon are not great skaters. Maroon has better hands and Lucic is not going to get any faster. Maroon is more effective – neither are being super phyical, can’t move Lucic so buh-bye Maroon.

  • Heschultzhescores

    We need last years Maroon and Last Year’s Lucic…both this year seem to think they are finesse players. Get back to what you do best…hit, bang and crash the net…while getting in the odd fight too.

  • Brossoit31

    I personally would like to see lucic go, because of the no movement clause it would have to be to vancouver most likely because lucic said before signing with the oilers that he would like to play there. all i could see us taking from vancouver is picks though… man the lucic contract is so garbage

  • Dan 1919

    Maroon’s next contract is turning out to be pretty interesting. Everyone in their right mind knows there’s help from McDavid. That being said, 27goals fetches $5-6mil in the NHL.
    I don’t think any GM bites on Maroon though for more than $4mill at 3 years given his lack of production without McDavid. So really if the Oilers offer him around $3mil I wouldn’t be surprised if he sticks around.

  • 24% body fat

    There should be no debate, Maroon has Chemistry with Connor, and Lucics production is not there 5 on 5. All of Lucics points last year were on pp because of 97 and 29. If Maroon had his pp time the point totals would have been much different.

    It is clear that Lucic is declining and Maroon is peaking.

    So if you can get Maroon around 4M x 4 and trade Lucic for a 7th round pick. you win.

  • FISTO Siltanen

    People sure like crapping on our players.

    So many guys we couldn’t run out of this town fast enough and didn’t know what we had until they were long gone.

    I’m a believer in Lucic and think much of the criticism levelled against him is unwarranted. He’s not the most fleet of foot but he worked on speed this off-season. One of the biggest reasons he came to this team was to play with Connor McDavid – which he did for a couple of games until he was pulled. He played last year on the PP with McDavid and posted his best PP numbers ever. This year, he doesn’t get to play with him. He had great chemistry with Draisaitl in the playoffs – but doesn’t get to play with him either. Instead he’s playing with Nuge – someone people pegged as being the next big former star to leave – and Nuge is playing some of his best hockey in years. Guess that’s just a coincidence.

    I look at his life from spring of 2015 to Oilers training camp of 2016 –

    He lost his dad.
    He added another kid to his family.
    He moved to another team in a contract year.
    He was a UFA for the first time and chose the second last team in the league that year.

    A lot of change – maybe that explains his only okay 2017 season.

    To me, Lucic has been the consummate pro on this team through winning streaks and losing streaks. He’s brought a swagger to club that was much in need of it and he reminds me of the Messier leadership to Gretzky’s captaincy. The bad cop for the young captain.

    The thing I’ve said before here and I’ll say again and again is that after this season he has 3 more years of NMC after which the Oilers are freed up to move him to 10 or 15 clubs. On July 2nd of the second last year of his contract he’ll be owed a total of $6.5M on a cap hit of $6M per season.

    Someone will trade for him when the time is right. In the meantime I’m glad he is here.

  • Anton CP

    Maroon over Lucic? lol

    Seriously, the only thing that made Maroon attractive to anyone is that he has relatively small contract. He is nowhere near the talent of Lucic. Lucic scores 50 points without playing on McDavid’s line. Lucic also has 25 PP last year which also only behind McDavid and Draisaitl.

    Maroon is not a top line left winger on any other team besides the Oilers. Otherwise that without a solid left wing on its own the Ducks would move him by even retain some of his salaries.

  • Reinman

    With Lucic’s NMC, not sure why this is a discussion. I do think he should be playing with McDavid. Having said that, I thought after Lucic scored last night, he actually started playing pretty well. That is the Lucic we need to see more often. Being not the best skater he needs to be going 110% all the time to be an impact. If we got him for his board work, he needs to get on the defense a little faster. Moving forward, I wonder if him losing some muscle mass wouldn’t be a bad thing for him, to try and get him an extra step.