Wanye, what do you think of all this Oil vs blogs stuff?

Wanye
October 20 2008 10:38AM

Uh, who cares? Does that qualify as an opinion?

Here I will sum it up for those of you who aren’t sick to death of all this nonsense and didn’t read Brownlee’s take on things:

Dumb: The guy who quit blogging

Getting your wrist slapped by some PR guy working for the Oilers should be a hilarious badge of honour for an Oilers blogger. Having a ten-alarm hissy fit and announcing to the world that you are “quitting forever” in a dramatic scene worthy of an Oscar nomination is lame. I don’t know this dude from a hole in the ground but his writing was great and I will be sad to see him go.

Why quit doing something you enjoy doing?

I don’t get it.

Why disappoint your readers?

Doesn’t make sense.

Don’t worry, Nation. Your ol’ pal Wanye won’t quit. Not if the entire Oilers front office showed up at OilersNation HQ and had MacIntyre try and take a swing at us. We would counter with the stun gun we have on us at all times and give everyone within 100 feet the tasering of their lives.

See, there’s a difference between people who pretend not to care what people think and people who actually don’t care what people think. We enjoy writing on here because it’s fun. We like it when people chime in with their opinions. We like watching hockey and talking about it. That’s pretty much it. We couldn’t care less if some people don’t like us. The only person we want to like us is everyone’s hot sister and/or hot cousin. And they like us, they really do.

Dumber: The Oilers vs The Internet

Trying to hold back internet coverage of your team is a hilariously futile battle and you have to admire the nerve of the Oilers for even trying. If that is what they are trying to do by telling this blogging dude to stop. And it remains to be seen if there is some big “conspiracy theory” behind all of this.

Someone in the hurricane of all this activity told us “lots of your sites are going to get shut down.” You can’t “shut down a site.” It doesn’t work like that. There are no Offices of The Internet Ltd you can visit and register a complaint. You can’t make an application to shutdown@internet.com to have a site closed. If this were possible don’t you think all the Jihadist news agency websites or child pornography sites would have ceased operation by now? If they can’t do anything about sites causing actual harm to society, how on Earth—and who on Earth for that matter—is going to do something about Oilers bloggers?

It seems short-sighted to me to ignite a firestorm amongst the Oilers fans that dutifully log their opinions on their blogs each and every day. ‘Cause if they decide to get really upset about something they can carry that torch for ever. But fortunately everyone is too busy arguing with each other to be able to mount some sort of comeback strike.

Dumbest: The Prima Donna attitudes of all involved

Holy cow, reading all the comments from the party people, the writers of all the blogs, Brownlee and Gregor you have to think JJ whatever-his-name-is has to be smiling from his Oilers Office deep deep below the surface of the Earth.

Ever hear of divide and conquer? Remind me not to commit a crime with any writer in the blogosphere or the MSM. Everyone is turning on each other faster than you can say “Who cares about any of this anyway?”

We get it. Everyone who has ever hit a single key on a keyboard in the name of the Edmonton Oilers hates each other. All you need to do, it seems, to drive a wedge into the ‘sphere is single one person out. The resulting storm will divide everyone and eliminate any chance for taking cohesive action against the real enemy:

The Edmonton Oilers (?)

That can’t be right. The Oilers put the “Oilers” in OilersNation. They can’t be the enemy. Can they? Uh... *head explodes*

What the hell. Smarten up everyone.

Oh in case anyone cares about hockey anymore

The Oilers are 4–0. Remember them?

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#1 jdrevenge
October 20 2008, 10:49AM
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Rally the troops!

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#2 Robert
October 20 2008, 11:09AM
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This is what I've learned to enjoy and love. Back to business Wanye!

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#3 Brian Fellows
October 20 2008, 11:15AM
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This is the best take on it all so far. Great picture hahahaha

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#4 Ender
October 20 2008, 11:21AM
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It's gotten so bad, we felt we had to ironically trademark SNN Sports. I mean, a sarcastic name to replace an already sarcastic name? That's how stupid all of this is.

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#5 Tyler
October 20 2008, 11:24AM
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Someone in the hurricane of all this activity told us “lots of your sites are going to get shut down.” You can’t “shut down a site.”

An Oilers representative said this?

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#6 Rick
October 20 2008, 11:24AM
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It's been an entertaining few days but after trying to follow the story from forum to forum I am left more confused than ever.

What are the objections being focused on?

Is it the Oilers treatment of this Dave guy personally or is it the Oilers attempt to control the blogpsphere in general or is it the blogosphere's objection to not being considered a credible type of media or is it that some people feel that the MSM doesn't always present a honest and direct opinion on what is happening with or around the Oilers and as result have recieved preferential treatment?

Too bad COI was the guy that ended up being the blogosphere's martyr in this whole thing because the content of his live blog reads like exhibit A on why there is a credibility issue with bloggers in general and it certainly doesn't seem deserving of a media pass.

I know he was there on other more official business but it still comes off as a guy that wasn't taking his own credentials very seriously and like the old saying goes, you shouldn't shit where eat.

This issue of bloggers and the Oilers would carry more weight if the incident occured with a blogger that was atleast posting in a professional tone.

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#7 tricksnard
October 20 2008, 11:32AM
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So when's the new hotness being released?

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#8 Ed
October 20 2008, 11:34AM
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You raise an excellent point Rick. I don't really know what the main bone of contention is either. I kind of agree with Wayne here, the infighting is amazing to watch.

Leave it to Wayne to find a picture like that.

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#9 Pension Plan Puppets
October 20 2008, 11:49AM
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Rick, you miss the point completely. He was there doing his job and he did it but he had time to kill and decided to do something that he could just as easily have done from home in front of a television. Once the 'rule' was explained to him he apologized, tried to rectify the situation and was treated very poorly.

The objections are based on that shabby treatment and the cinderblock heads at the Oilers that don't 'get' the internet.

The credibility issue lies with ignorant people that think that every blogger is a secret journalist in training that wants to get credentials. Washington actually has a written out policy on how they credential any bloggers that actually want to join the jokes in the press box.

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#10 Wanye Gretz
October 20 2008, 11:54AM
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PPP -

"Washington actually has a written out policy on how they credential any bloggers that actually want to join the jokes in the press box."

That's what happens when your owner Ted Leonsis is also a founder of AOL.

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#11 Dr Huxtable
October 20 2008, 11:58AM
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Best.take.yet.

And the Oscar goes too......

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#12 Watch TV - not Live Blogs
October 20 2008, 12:08PM
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Totally understand the Oiler's posistion, they have responsibility (i.e. contractual obligation) to their rights holders to control the unauthorized broadcast of their games. Agruments of "people can live blog off their blackberries or off the TV" are off base - this guy was in the press box, where the Oilers have complete control over the situation. What if he was doing a live voice broadcast over the internet - don't you think 630 Ched would take exception, and likely sue? It's a question of where to draw the line - and it seems to me like the Oilers picked a pretty rationale place to draw it.

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#13 MJ
October 20 2008, 12:18PM
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Oh sites like these can absolutely be shutdown there Wanye. Nearly 10 years ago, a Senators fan site akin to OilFans were given their cease and desist papers. My first request for press credential to the Oilers was using OilFans.com as my representing corporation. Then PR guy Bill Tuele sent the site to his legal department. They found nothing to shut us down and we have all happily co-existed.

CalgaryPuck also had an issue with Canadian Press over their images. Cease-and-decist from CanPress and some kind talking from the CalPuck owners to keep operations intact.

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#14 Rick
October 20 2008, 12:19PM
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Pension Plan Puppets: "Rick, you miss the point completely."

Really? That's it?

So a guy was caught doing something that he wasn't supposed to be doing and caught hell for it, that's the total extent of the outrage?

Consider me unsympathetic then.

So just to be clear, the hundreds of comments that have been expressed on the various blogs and websites since the first mention of this incident that includes all of the other scenarios I mentioned are just coincidental chatter?

I am asking because I want to make sure I am not missing the point.

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#15 MJ
October 20 2008, 12:23PM
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Rick... you're not missing the point. But since one of Oiler blogger's own submitted a passionate and emotional whine, everyone jumped on board with a powerful mob mentality. Unfortunately they reacted with knee-jerks that put most of them out with a concussion.

The real joke is in the end said blogger convinced the Oilers that he was ignorant to the rules. He convinced them to re-instate his press pass. Then, unsatisfied, he decided to quit the blog, revoke his own credential and tell the world how victimized he was.

Man, if only I could go public or better yet outright quit every time I have an issue with a client or boss.

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#16 Tyler
October 20 2008, 12:36PM
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I disagree MJ. They can make noise and threaten to shut you down, which isn't at all the same thing. Most people will then decide how much legal expense and hassle they want to go through. The CP situation you're describing sounds different to me, in that it sounds like they were using copyrighted photographs. That's a clear cut no-no and one that leaves you exposed to paying damages even if it was unintentional.

Hockey teams are in the public eye. They have the protection afforded to them by defamation law but fair comment is a pretty broad defence. If you're interested in this sort of stuff, take a look at this. The headnote really says it all.

None of this, of course, is legal advice and you should all consult legal counsel before ever writing something and publishing it on the internet.

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#17 Mike W
October 20 2008, 12:49PM
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I suppose the internets isn't known for nuance, but here's some points:

- David didn't quit because he had a run-in with a PR guy, he quit because he wanted to move on for many reasons. He did nearly get escorted out for liveblogging (just like MacKinnon did last April) for a blog that has swears (run for the hills!)and off-colour jokes about players (sound familiar?). It does raise issues of a double standard, which is up for debate, or at least something to keep an eye on.

But let's be clear: there is no finger pointing, no divide-and-conquer from David in his post. It's easy to confuse the responses with the original post, but let's keep them straight.

- The Oilers acted increasingly like dinks on a personal level, which, to me, isn't surprising for a team that detained a guy for writing "trade Lowe" on the back of his jersey. Like I said, lame, but not surprising.

That's it, really.

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#18 TonyRomo
October 20 2008, 01:29PM
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Damn Wanye you get it!!

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#19 Surshot
October 20 2008, 01:39PM
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The Oilers detained a guy with a trade Lowe writing on the back of the jersey, or did the cops detain someguy with a trade Lowe writing on the back of a jersey that might have had one to many. Show me facts not defamation of the Oiler evil empire that you seem to be implying. Is that it or could there be more to it do you not think.

AS for the Blogger i agree with Wanye who cares for the love of god.

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#20 Antony Ta
October 20 2008, 01:40PM
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Good points, Wanye.

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#21 Kris
October 20 2008, 01:43PM
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*kicks dead horse*

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#22 Doogie2K
October 20 2008, 01:54PM
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@Surshot: Here you go.

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#23 baggedmilk
October 20 2008, 02:10PM
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Another good one, Wanye. You inspire us over at our blog. Check us out.

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#24 Gord
October 20 2008, 02:17PM
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Ummmm... who cares???

That is all.

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#25 GreaseTrap
October 20 2008, 02:20PM
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I love how people who "don't care" actually care enough to spend the time writing a post about how they don't care.

Cracks me up every time!

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#26 Gord
October 20 2008, 02:33PM
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"GreaseTrap Says: October 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pm I love how people who “don’t care” actually care enough to spend the time writing a post about how they don’t care.

Cracks me up every time!"

I'm glad I can amuse you. The fact is some crybaby got his media pass pulled for doing something he wasn't supposed to and Oilers PR brass were dicks about it. What is the end effect? NOTHING. Go on with your lives people!

On a related note, Mats Sundin has still not decided on his NHL future. Oh yeah, no one cares about that either.

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#27 baggedmilk
October 20 2008, 02:44PM
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Mats Sundin looks like Jonathan Torrens after he spent the weekend binging on nonstop jagger bombs and tagging a fatty he picked up at OilCity.

Just saying.

-baggedmilk

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#28 GreaseTrap
October 20 2008, 02:48PM
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Gord, there you go not caring again!

ha ha

just busting your balls, man.

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#29 Antony Ta
October 20 2008, 02:55PM
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Speaking of balls being busted, kudos to Brandon Prust for even considering to go up against Steve MacIntyre.

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#30 Cam
October 20 2008, 03:07PM
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Way to go Wanye! Who cares, indeed!

Though I have to ask if you really think a tazer would bring SmackIntyre down. I don't think so.

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#31 jeanshorts
October 20 2008, 03:24PM
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As far as I know MacIntyre isn't a Polish immigrant, so unless it's a Tesla coil, he'd just laugh if off and continue to smash face with fist.

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#32 Charlie
October 20 2008, 03:32PM
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blogs, sites, passes, blah blah blah...

What's up with Souray's knee?

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#33 Charlie
October 20 2008, 03:34PM
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Sheldon Souray also didn't play on Saturday and wasn't abl;e to skate Monday morning. Souray suffered a muscle bruise on Friday night after getting tangled up with Todd Bertuzzi.

"We decided to give Sheldon the day off and we'll see how he feels tomorrow." Oilers coach Craig MacTavish said. "The one thing we're not going to do is push people to play if they're not ready. We've had enough injury issues the past couple of years that we want to make sure guys are healthy"

...nevermind.

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#34 Jonathan Willis
October 20 2008, 04:15PM
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But let’s be clear: there is no finger pointing, no divide-and-conquer from David in his post. It’s easy to confuse the responses with the original post, but let’s keep them straight.

It's a good point. A very good point, actually.

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#35 Mike W
October 20 2008, 10:51PM
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He did nearly get escorted out for liveblogging (just like MacKinnon did last April)

Um, whoops. I mistyped that sentence. Obviously MacKinnon was never escorted out of anywhere. Sorry, dudes.

Moving right along! How about that Jani Rita?

:D

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#36 BUCK75
October 21 2008, 07:25AM
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What is hillarious is Allen Watt's take on it yesterday on Gregor's show...in my own words: "with content, you get a following. when peoplestart looking for content, then you can start charging $ for content"

So when do we have to start subscribing to this...obviously he is talking about something like hockeybuzz with the anonymous hockey blogger

I fully endorse Mr. Berry's decision to quit...like Jim Rome says "when life gives you lemons - QUIT!"

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#37 Tombo
October 21 2008, 07:53AM
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Vive la resistance!

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#38 Fiveandagame
October 21 2008, 08:00AM
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OKAY I know you're all wondering what ol' fiveandagame has to say about this whole thing. SO here you go.

What the hell is the internet?!!! IS there an easier way to do this then sending my carrier pigeons to Wayne's house? Is this bloog thing some type of new improved pigeon?

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#39 MJ
October 21 2008, 09:47AM
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K Wanye, get off the couch, put down your rye-and-coke and write something new and inspiring this morning. Mention the word blog and there'll be hell to pay!!

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#40 Deep Oil
October 21 2008, 01:37PM
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If the oil could fire NATION .... they would - they are losing money with the content and traffic NATION generates without their control - they want you to go to edmontonoilers.com (OOOPS - sorry that has been changed to OILERS.NHL (sorry BETTMAN) and read the RHETORIC and compliant opinion that everything is perfect in HEARTLAND - if things are so perfect why would bloggers and fans need an opinion - just pay us NOW because we dont really need YOUR money with 1800 souls lining up for your seats - it seems that most people that work for the OIL - get fed up and quite or fired - just ask John Yeoman, Matt Cummins, Eric Upton (pushed) or their former webmaster (Schwabe) working in the land of the FREE at Concordia College - past history shows if you are not on upper management's pretty boy list as a drone employee - you are in the doghouse and your life is a living hell. Supreme Ruler.

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#41 Wanye Gretz
October 21 2008, 02:04PM
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Deep Oil -

Uh, ok (?)

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