Goose eggs dog the Mighty Oil

Jason Gregor
October 28 2009 01:14PM

The Oilers' offence is hurting more than the players in bed sick right now, after consecutive goose eggs against Vancouver and Colorado.

Pat Quinn continues to tinker with his lineup as he switched JF Jacques and Mike Comrie hoping for some more offence. Lubomir Visnovksy didn’t practice today, after leaving last night’s game early because of the flu. Theo Peckham skated in his place, and if Visnovsky can’t go, he will draw in tomorrow. With only Visnovsky not practicing, that could be a sign that the flu is slowly vacating the lockerroom, but we’ll see.

The coaches have seen enough giveaways from Tom Gilbert and Denis Grebeshkov and they too were split up this morning. Gilbert was paired with Jason Strudwick, while Taylor Chorney and Grebeshkov skated together. Fernando Pisani and Steve MacIntyre were the extras, and while Pisani could play tomorrow if needed, he’d be better served to get a few more practices under his belt. A return Saturday morning in Boston seems the most likely.

Watching practice, it's clear the Oilers need to work on their passing. That's what killed them v. Colorado. The Oilers couldn’t string together consecutives in the neutral zone all night. Passes went off legs, sticks, missed the target or in many cases they just turned it over.

Tom Renney and Wayne Fleming were very vocal this morning on the ice. They were frequently stopping practice and pointing out positional mistakes, bad decisions and reinforced what they wanted guys to do on the forecheck and the backcheck.

When you haven’t scored in over 140 minutes, it's obvious every aspect of their offence is struggling, but their PP has also been brutal the past three games. They’ve missed the net too much, or had shots blocked and they haven’t had any urgency on the man advantage. If Visnovsky can’t go tomorrow night, then expect their PP struggles to continue.

Money doesn't matter

Evaluating a player based on their salary is a fruitless effort in my mind. Ice time and opportunity is a big key to many players' success. It's obvious Shawn Horcoff is struggling right now, and if it continues Quinn will have no choice but to switch him with Cogliano or Brule.

Quinn admits he is satisfied with Horcoff’s effort, but he needs his $5.5 million dollar center to produce more with the minutes he is getting. Horcoff clearly has no offensive confidence right now and it will be interesting to see how Quinn deals with him.

Does he take him off the PP? If they send the second unit out in the offensive zone, Horcoff gives them the best chance to win the draw, but if they change on the fly would Quinn be better served to let Brule or Cogliano take a twirl?

Injury update

Steve Staios and Sheldon Souray continue to struggle with post-concussion syndrome. They have a good day, and then a bad day. They have yet to make enough progress to even consider skating, and the longer they are out the more the Oilers will struggle in their own zone.

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#51 Ogden Brother
October 28 2009, 07:16PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

That is the question.

Jones is 8 years younger, a little bit bigger and has better offensive #'s over the last couple of years.

I don't know, maybe Staiosis worse then Jones? For the little bit I've seen of him though, he seems to me to be better... but even if he's just his equal, getting the younger, bigger, cheaper guy would be benificial.

Should read:

"maybe Staios is better then Jones"

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#52 jdrevenge
October 28 2009, 07:18PM
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To be hones I thought Horc was looking alot better the last game out. His work on the pp especially. He's moving his legs more and his play with the puck wasn't on par with captain coughup. He'll find his way.

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#53 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 28 2009, 07:20PM
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What happend to MTMT?

last i heard he was kidnapped by a gang of 1 arm midgets and forced into the dirty underground world of midget porn.

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#54 Ogden Brother
October 28 2009, 08:01PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

last i heard he was kidnapped by a gang of 1 arm midgets and forced into the dirty underground world of midget porn.

Well at least he went out doing what he loved.

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#55 GSC
October 29 2009, 12:03AM
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"Evaluating a player based on their salary is a fruitless effort in my mind."

How so?

The salary cap world demands bang-for-buck, value contracts. An overpayment like Horcoff's puts the clamps on a team that's trying to improve and needs to make moves, like the Oilers.

Not to mention, he's the highest paid forward on the team and he has all of 2 points. That's not good enough, simple as that. It's time for #10 to turn down the suck, big time.

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#56 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 29 2009, 07:52AM
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Gregor

Very good show last night, but I have one issue with what you and Brownlee kept saying.

You guys kept saying that we can't grab anyone because of salary in the long term. While that is right, what is wrong with grabbing someone until Staios and Souray return? From what I gather both could and should be on LTIR, so that opens up alot of cash for the time being.

Does it really hurt to grab someone like Jones if he is better then one of current d-men? And then when we start getting bodies back we waive the player that we picked up on waivers. If the goal is to make the playoffs this year I think we really need to look at guys like Jones and maybe guys like Yelle(not sure Yelle is any good anymore). Just seems that every year we do nothing while we have injuried players and then we wonder why we didn't make the playoffs.

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#57 Ogden Brother
October 29 2009, 08:18AM
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GSC wrote:

"Evaluating a player based on their salary is a fruitless effort in my mind."

How so?

The salary cap world demands bang-for-buck, value contracts. An overpayment like Horcoff's puts the clamps on a team that's trying to improve and needs to make moves, like the Oilers.

Not to mention, he's the highest paid forward on the team and he has all of 2 points. That's not good enough, simple as that. It's time for #10 to turn down the suck, big time.

And that is typically balanced with under value contracts.

Their is no one good left to sign, removing Shaun Horcoff and bringing in any of the available centers, no matter how cheap they are makes this team worse.

It's not about having value contracts, it's about putting the best team together you can for 56.7 million or less.

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#58 Oiler Country
October 29 2009, 08:54AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

last i heard he was kidnapped by a gang of 1 arm midgets and forced into the dirty underground world of midget porn.

Um that's little person, not midget. Sheesh!

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#59 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 29 2009, 09:14AM
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Hmmm, Schremp hasn't played since Oct.22, which means he hasn't played the last 3 games. For his sake I hope he is sick, because otherwise that means that one of the worse teams in the NHL is sitting him.

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#60 RossCreekNation
October 29 2009, 09:47AM
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Hmmm, Schremp hasn't played since Oct.22, which means he hasn't played the last 3 games. For his sake I hope he is sick, because otherwise that means that one of the worse teams in the NHL is sitting him.

From Chris Botta of islanderspointblank.com

Oct.27 - With one assist in six games and his recent selection as a healthy scratch, the acquisition of Rob Schremp on waivers has not been a boon for the club. A decision has to be made on him soon.

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#61 RossCreekNation
October 29 2009, 09:49AM
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^^

Botta also mentions that Doug Weight was out with the H1N1 kooties. So that's Budaj, Smid, Commodore, Weight... who else, I know I'm missing at least 1 more.

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#62 RossCreekNation
October 29 2009, 09:54AM
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... and Derek Armstrong from the Blues...

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#63 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 29 2009, 10:19AM
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Laing from Washington.

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#64 Ogden Brother
October 29 2009, 10:21AM
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From Chris Botta of islanderspointblank.com

Oct.27 - With one assist in six games and his recent selection as a healthy scratch, the acquisition of Rob Schremp on waivers has not been a boon for the club. A decision has to be made on him soon.

Just give him a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!! A real chance!!!!!!! Just 40 games!!!!!!!!!!!

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#65 Ogden Brother
October 29 2009, 10:23AM
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Looks like Jones has been picked up by LA, is waiver order based on last years standings or this years?

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#66 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 29 2009, 10:28AM
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Looks like Jones has been picked up by LA, is waiver order based on last years standings or this years?

Pretty sure this year as Gregor mentioned yesterday they would be 18 teams in front of us. Last year we were 10th worse so it has to be on this years.

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#67 Ogden Brother
October 29 2009, 10:36AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Pretty sure this year as Gregor mentioned yesterday they would be 18 teams in front of us. Last year we were 10th worse so it has to be on this years.

So we could have gotten him ;)

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#68 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
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So we could have gotten him ;)

I guess so and as I stated earlier would it be a bad idea for the short-term?

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#69 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 29 2009, 11:38AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Gents,

The Flyers won't lose Jones for nothing and pay half of his salary. While it sucks for Jones, I don't expect the Flyers to recall him anytime soon. They are close to the cap, and don't want to just waste $1.35 million in cap space by paying Jones to play elsewhere.

And if the Flyers shock me and recall him, other teams would pick him up before the Oilers, since there is 18 teams below them in the standings today.

AND...if they pick up Jones, then they'd have too many D-men when everyone is healthy, and I doubt they would just send Staios to the minors or any other big ticket D-men, and risk losing them for nothing.

You need a solution that is actually possible...

Not to take a shot at you, but you did know that Jones was on re-entry before you posted this right?

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#70 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 29 2009, 12:34PM
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Looks like Jones has been picked up by LA, is waiver order based on last years standings or this years?

before Nov 1st it is based on last years standings

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