The Coach

Jonathan Willis
November 14 2013 09:32AM

On virtually any other NHL team, Dallas Eakins would be out of a job right now. A 4-14-2 start is a fireable offence for most NHL teams, but here Eakins has a protective barrier formed by the ghosts of Criag MacTavish and Pat Quinn and Tom Renney and Ralph Krueger.

The Path Forward

It isn’t too early to think about firing the coach. It’s just too early to actually fire the coach. Edmonton has fired coaches so many times without results (on that note, wouldn’t it be nice to go back two years and let Tom Renney keep coaching the team?) and it’s time to go a different route.

This is one of the things Craig MacTavish is here for. In previous years, Steve Tambellini proved remarkably unwilling to address simple team needs (such as fourth line centre). MacTavish is already one up on Tambellini because he’s been willing to try plugging in minor leaguers (recall Mark Arcobello rotting on the farm while Chris VandeVelde and Ryan Smyth failed as fourth line centres) but that’s not enough.

It’s trade time. And not a ‘move Ladislav Smid for futures’ trade. A trade that actually brings in NHL talent. Maybe it’s a defenceman who can play in the top-three. Maybe it’s a big forward who can play in the top-six. Maybe it’s a good third-line wing so that Boyd Gordon doesn’t have to drag around Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones. I don’t know what’s out there, or how much what’s out there costs to acquire; I do know that this team isn’t getting the job done and Dallas Eakins seems like he’s out of answers.

Normally, when the coach is out of answers the coach pays the price. In this case, so many other coaches have been out of answers that it’s time to try giving the man behind the bench some different pieces.

Lousy NHL Debuts

Some very good coaches have had some very bad starts to their careers, generally because opportunity arises with bad (or expansion) teams. Here’s a brief list of some very good coaches who started out on the wrong foot:

  • Scotty Bowman: 4-13-2 with St. Louis
  • Dick Irvin: 2-6-4 with Chicago
  • Ron Wilson: 4-13-2 with Anaheim
  • Lindy Ruff: 5-10-4 with Buffalo
  • Ken Hitchcock: 10-18-8 with Dallas

Naturally, I’m not saying ‘oh man, Dallas Eakins is Scotty Bowman!’ That would be crazy. What I am saying is that it’s possible that the Oilers will end up benefiting from their (essentially) forced patience with Eakins. Of course, it’s just as possible that 20 games from now nothing has changed and Eakins is out the door, but it’s at least plausible that the coach can right the ship.

So, About That Trade…

It has to be coming, and it has to be meaningful.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#151 Season Ticket Guy
November 14 2013, 02:19PM
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Ike Hilliard wrote:

Many of you in here sound worse than a nagging wife…

"Fire the coach"

"Fire Lowe" (actually agree with that)

"Fire McT"

"Trade Nail"

"Trade this…do that"

Its easy to sit here outside and criticize but where are all your ideas or suggestions??? Fire Eakins fine but who are candidates to replace him??

"We need trades" ya we do but i rarely see suggestions or ideas from the bunch who sit here and complain about things….

Do us all a favour and jump off the ship…maybe we can get rid of enough dead weight to turn this thing around both on the team and off!!

Just saying….

Sadly I have already paid for my tickets. Selling them is a pain in the butt. The only people buying tickets are the fans of the visitors.

At the game last nite the only people cheering were the Fiddler family and the person that won the 50/50.

3 games in a row with 0 goals? So everything should remain the same? The "execs" make a lot of $$ it is up to them to figure this out and fix it. Up to now, they don't seem to have a solution. If I told my boss for 6 months straight that I don't know how to fix things at my job, I'd be gone. To do that for 8 years? No one in ANY job is given that leeway. OK - there is one - Pres of the Oil.

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#152 tileguy
November 14 2013, 02:21PM
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you know what is kind of amazing, Katz saves over a million dollars (say that amount again) by shipping out Smid. For most of us that takes us more than ten years. What a shrewd business man. I guess we conclude management really has closed the door on the season. Thanks once again season ticket holders for your unwavering support.

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#153 Dave2
November 14 2013, 02:22PM
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Bleak Winter wrote:

It's probably not going to get better under Eakins, but it's not going to get better under any of the stop-gaps we could replace him with either. That's what we're limited to now. Stop-gaps.

Who is your ideal coach to right the ship? Now explain how does that guy even want this job? We aren't in a position to hire a saviour-level coach here. We fire Eakins and I guarantee you that we get either Buchberger or Smith as interim head coach. Do you want that? Absolutely best case scenario MacT steps back in. Todd Nelson would be smarter to stay in Oklahoma and wait for a real NHL team to poach him.

The guy who would take this job now is likely not a guy who is capable of leading us out of this on his own. Anybody who is good enough has much better options for their career.

MacT can be the coach.

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#154 RealFakeDiesel
November 14 2013, 02:23PM
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If Rob Ford can apologize and continue to govern Toronto, could we not man up and say sorry to Ralph Kruger giving him back head coaching duties and force him to keep Eakens on staff as an assistant ready to take the role in the future?

Outlandish, I know. But that way there is a consistency for the young guys and still a change.

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#155 RealFakeDiesel
November 14 2013, 02:25PM
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Also, i had a dream where the Oilers were down 3 nothing but Mid game Mactavish came out of the zamboni gate waving to the crowd walking towards the bench and stood next to Dallas leading the Oilers on to victory

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#156 tileguy
November 14 2013, 02:28PM
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RealFakeDiesel wrote:

Also, i had a dream where the Oilers were down 3 nothing but Mid game Mactavish came out of the zamboni gate waving to the crowd walking towards the bench and stood next to Dallas leading the Oilers on to victory

Was he wearing a paper bag over his head?

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#157 Pucker
November 14 2013, 02:33PM
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I can't believe Eakins is saddled with Smith and Bucky. If they aren't working appropriately under his guidance, he must have the authority to fire them. If that's not the case, then he made a really silly decision in taking the job.

I don't know if I support Eakins but he is a rookie coach that was introduced to the league with lousy goaltending and a bunch of players with little experience.

I'm as frustrated as anyone but the season is shot. Perhaps they can eventually get a respectful streak going. Maybe not but might as well give Eakins more rope.

. . . that being said, I'm sure glad I don't own season tickets. I do get to quite a few games but I'm not wasting my time and money till they start to look like they can turn it around.

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#158 bdaZZler
November 14 2013, 02:35PM
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Usually not one to create trade offers but would this be a viable option for both teams:

Hemsky/N. Schultz/ 1st Rounder in 2014 in exchange for Simmonds/Coburn/Meszaros....

Time to overpay on some trades...I would love to see management overpay to pry Steve Ott out of Buffalo...Poor man version of Clarkson who we offered the world too a summer ago....

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#159 pkam
November 14 2013, 02:48PM
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RealFakeDiesel wrote:

If Rob Ford can apologize and continue to govern Toronto, could we not man up and say sorry to Ralph Kruger giving him back head coaching duties and force him to keep Eakens on staff as an assistant ready to take the role in the future?

Outlandish, I know. But that way there is a consistency for the young guys and still a change.

Did you remember in the press conference that introduced Eakins, they said they talked about hockey for nearly 5 hours in their first meeting?

So basically MacT and Eakins have the same philosophy. There may be some minor differences, but MacT should be able to communicate them to Eakins.

So what is the point to fire Eakins if MacT is going to take over?

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#160 Johnnydapunk
November 14 2013, 02:49PM
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On an incredibly lighter note that could offer a good few seconds of a mild smile, I have managed to find an Oiler team that is number one so far in the standings!! 9 games in they are 7-2

Oilers Number One in Chinese Hockey!!

No idea how I found that :-)

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#161 nick
November 14 2013, 02:54PM
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Hey, remember that 5 year old kid that yelled at Eakins "You Suck" He was right, give that kid a prize.

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#162 DigDeepNBleedBlue
November 14 2013, 03:16PM
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pkam wrote:

One thing I notice in the past 3 years and is still happening.

We lose at least 80% of puck battle along the board.

Not sure if this is the coach's fault but it definitely has nothing to do with the system. In fact, Eakins explained his Swarm defense system in one of his practice presser, 'It is basically a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the puck carrier along the board, another player will jump in to take away the puck.'. Basically, it is a system design to address our failure to win the puck battle along the board. Unfortunately, we lose those battle even with 2 on 1 most of the time, especially in our D zone. of course, it is again the coach's fault.

Yup. I get it.

"System. If your personnel can't do it, change the personnel or, hey, change the system to work within the parameters of the players you employ."

Not sure where we differ or if we actually do. Good points, though.

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#163 gcw_rocks
November 14 2013, 03:41PM
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Your question about Renney is interesting. I have been thinking that the Oilers would have been much better off had they kept Krueger and fired all the assistant coaches, replacing them with some real NHL veteran coaches. The team, imo, player harder under Krueger than they did under Renney. But Krueger was too far behind on NHL strategy and needed a strong associate coach and assistant coaches to compensate.

Instead we got Eakins. The curse of MacTavish

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#164 Zarny
November 14 2013, 03:51PM
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The coach isn't the problem.

I'm sick of fans talking about the "swarm" like Eakins reinvented the wheel. 1/3 of the league does basically the exact same thing.

The problem is the team on the ice. It simply isn't very good. I don't care if the Oilers had Scotty Bowman coaching they'd still have a losing record.

As JW pointed out yesterday, the Oilers drafted some talented kids as step 1 of the rebuild and figured they were done.

That's like framing a house and calling it a mansion with no plumbing, electricity or even a roof.

Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak and Schultz a Stanley Cup contender does not make and there are no quick solutions.

The bold moves required aren't likely available 20 games into a season. The Oilers are looking to trade picks and prospects but the teams they are trading with still have another 60 games and hopefully playoffs this year.

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#165 Zarny
November 14 2013, 03:57PM
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DSF wrote:

He hired Tambellini and allowed him to run the franchise into the ditch for 5 years.

He then hired MacT as GM despite the fact he had zero experience and while ignoring other candidates (like Jim Nill) who have much more experience and a winning track record.

Not recognizing that reeks of ignorance.

You assume Jim Nill and other candidates were interested in the Oilers GM job.

That's a big assumption.

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#166 GregDonaldson
November 14 2013, 03:59PM
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Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

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#167 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 04:04PM
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So sad to hear the ringing endorsement of Eakins.........it's very difficult for Mac T to admit that he made a mistake.

For all those people who continue to say it's all about our players and that none of them are any good, exactly where do we find good players?? Is there a factory where you can acquire these guys? No they are developed.......by the organization over a number of years, unless you are the Edmonton Oilers.

What Mac T should have said, is we are going to develop our players, and move them along slowly including time well spent in the AHL. No more drafting players and then developing them in the NHL. Every player has to prove themsleves in the minors........now I would be totally impressed by that statement.

Stating he is willing to trade what will prove to be another first-first rounder, is just plain stupid. Are we suppose to believe that he can turn this magic bean into a player/players, that can solidify our team? What so we can find another midget like Ference??

Sorry Mac T you will and can do better than that!

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#168 Zarny
November 14 2013, 04:05PM
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pkam wrote:

One thing I notice in the past 3 years and is still happening.

We lose at least 80% of puck battle along the board.

Not sure if this is the coach's fault but it definitely has nothing to do with the system. In fact, Eakins explained his Swarm defense system in one of his practice presser, 'It is basically a standard D zone coverage, but when one of our player pinch the puck carrier along the board, another player will jump in to take away the puck.'. Basically, it is a system design to address our failure to win the puck battle along the board. Unfortunately, we lose those battle even with 2 on 1 most of the time, especially in our D zone. of course, it is again the coach's fault.

The average NHL forward is 6'1" 205 lbs.

Every single top 6 F is currently smaller than average.

Gazdic, Joensuu and MacIntyre are the ONLY Oiler forwards bigger than average.

Small forwards and losing puck battles are directly related.

When you're talking about professional athletes with 8% body fat 10 lbs is a lot let alone the 20-25 lbs Oiler forwards routinely give up against opposing F and D.

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#169 TRAV
November 14 2013, 04:12PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

Dude I agree with you but it seems if ever there was a time to "whine, bitch and complain" now would be an appropriate time...

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#170 $2H
November 14 2013, 04:16PM
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you're a clown - and probably worse at your "job" than Ryan Rishaug is at his. I wish you'd both go to Vancouver already..

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#171 Zarny
November 14 2013, 04:20PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

So sad to hear the ringing endorsement of Eakins.........it's very difficult for Mac T to admit that he made a mistake.

For all those people who continue to say it's all about our players and that none of them are any good, exactly where do we find good players?? Is there a factory where you can acquire these guys? No they are developed.......by the organization over a number of years, unless you are the Edmonton Oilers.

What Mac T should have said, is we are going to develop our players, and move them along slowly including time well spent in the AHL. No more drafting players and then developing them in the NHL. Every player has to prove themsleves in the minors........now I would be totally impressed by that statement.

Stating he is willing to trade what will prove to be another first-first rounder, is just plain stupid. Are we suppose to believe that he can turn this magic bean into a player/players, that can solidify our team? What so we can find another midget like Ference??

Sorry Mac T you will and can do better than that!

Who said none of the Oilers are good players?

Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak, Gagner, Perron, Ference, Schultz, Gordon, Petry are good players.

The top 6 F are too much of the same but they are all good players. 10-12 good players doesn't make a good team though.

You make an excellent point about developing players. The OKC Baron's first season was 3 years ago. Prior to that the Oilers didn't have a dedicated farm system.

Top end picks like Hall, Nuge and Yak can play in the NHL right away but 99% of draft picks can't. Not having a farm system to develop players certainly hurt the Oilers big time and is undoubtedly a factor as to why so many draft picks have failed to develop into NHL players.

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#172 Ducey
November 14 2013, 04:27PM
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I am not really sure why a trade has to be coming. The season is lost.

Making a trade now for a big name defenseman might move this team to start playing .500 hockey for the rest of the season. Big deal. Its going to cost assets and is likely to wind up being detrimental in the future.

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#173 jr_christ
November 14 2013, 04:40PM
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Anyone know of a good place where one can go and drown their hockey-related sorrows away?

I wish we were a better team :)

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#174 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 04:45PM
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bdaZZler wrote:

Usually not one to create trade offers but would this be a viable option for both teams:

Hemsky/N. Schultz/ 1st Rounder in 2014 in exchange for Simmonds/Coburn/Meszaros....

Time to overpay on some trades...I would love to see management overpay to pry Steve Ott out of Buffalo...Poor man version of Clarkson who we offered the world too a summer ago....

Hemsky is a UFA right quick here, N.Schultz is expiring, but the 1st rounder might end up being a 1st overall.

Unless Philly makes the playoffs, Hemsky is useless to them, so we're talking N. Schultz and 1st for Simmonds/coburn/mesz. I think you could probably get Coburn for that, and ONLY if it's a 1st overall could you even attempt to squeeze Simmonds out too but i doubt it would happen unless Philly was desperate. Philly recently spanked a team 5-0 and just beat PIT last night 2-1.. Philly is likely feeling pretty good right now.

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#175 Dog Train
November 14 2013, 04:50PM
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Firing the coach is the easy way out. The problem is that Mactavish seems to think that he will be able to get what he needs without sacrificing one of his core guys. He mentioned today that he wants to turn the team over to the 8-9 guys that he's identified as the team's core. If we assume that Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Gagner (based on Mactavish's public praise for his 'character') and Justin Schultz form that core as well as acquisitions like Perron and Ference, there's not much left. Hemsky? Good luck getting more than draft picks or prospects for him at this point.

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#176 Juan Oxmano
November 14 2013, 04:54PM
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I would be very surprised if Bowman would have thrown Ganger out for a draw in the last 2 minutes of a game. Eakins has made bonehead moves right from the start. Looks like a fool is guiding a crap team. Both coach and team have rightfully earned such a crappy record. Hail the suck. P.S FIRE KEVIN LOWE

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#177 A-Mc
November 14 2013, 04:57PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Firing the coach is the easy way out. The problem is that Mactavish seems to think that he will be able to get what he needs without sacrificing one of his core guys. He mentioned today that he wants to turn the team over to the 8-9 guys that he's identified as the team's core. If we assume that Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupov, Gagner (based on Mactavish's public praise for his 'character') and Justin Schultz form that core as well as acquisitions like Perron and Ference, there's not much left. Hemsky? Good luck getting more than draft picks or prospects for him at this point.

I think the major currency this year is that 1st round pick.. With the way this season is going, it could very likely end up being another 1st overall which would have tremendous value.

If we do pick 1st overall, our 2nd is basically a 1st round pick as well, so the 2nd has reasonable value.

I could see a number of guys being cut from the team just to shed contracts. Then our 1st rounder (1st overall?) + a decent prospect being flipped for that true top 4 D (likely not a #1, probably a 2/3 type guy).

Take the 2nd/3rd round picks and turn those into an over achieving 3rd line winger that has some size and Jam.

Goalies: i have no freakin clue what to do there...

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#178 The Real Scuba Steve
November 14 2013, 05:05PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

Wow another blogger employed by the Edmonton Oilers to doing PR on other sites, go back to EdmontonOilers.com.

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#179 madjam
November 14 2013, 05:15PM
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Venting on site is good for fans , as they get their frustration out of their systems and still remain hockey fans . If they all held it inside they might give up hockey all together . Teams a reflection of management , and right now it is not looking good or very optimistic .

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#180 Stack Pad Save
November 14 2013, 05:39PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

I will tell you what it accomplishes. It starts accountability. Accountability always starts at the top.

If you are an employee and you think your boss is lazy, it is an excuse for you to be lazy. If you think your boss is incompetant than you don't have trust that your job will run as smooth as possible.

So you ask and I will tell you. The NHL is a gate driven league that answers to the fans, and the fans need to believe that the person running the ships isn't going to steer the ship into the rocks....guess what the Oilers are on the rocks and have been for some time and the man steering the ship is Keven Lowe. Fire him!

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#181 Stack Pad Save
November 14 2013, 05:43PM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

I will tell you what it accomplishes. It starts accountability. Accountability always starts at the top.

If you are an employee and you think your boss is lazy, it is an excuse for you to be lazy. If you think your boss is incompetant than you don't have trust that your job will run as smooth as possible.

So you ask and I will tell you. The NHL is a gate driven league that answers to the fans, and the fans need to believe that the person running the ships isn't going to steer the ship into the rocks....guess what the Oilers are on the rocks and have been for some time and the man steering the ship is Keven Lowe. Fire him!

Despise Oilers fans. Fans care, and "Oilers" fans care enough to go and pay for overpriced tickets and overpriced food with hard earned dollars. So why can't they demand accountability. They pay to watch, they should get entertainment value for their dollar and not the same weak teams year after year with the exact same problems. A super weak D, small forwards and a lack of urgency game in and game out. A fan who is "intelligent" can see this and can demand change. Because the man in charge year after year and who is not correcting the same problems is KEVIN LOWE.

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#182 Do bolo
November 14 2013, 05:55PM
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I honestly believe that I could do a better job coaching this team right now versus what we have seen from Dallas Eakins. There are probably a lot of posters and readers who also could probably do a better job. I think what really causes the most hate for Eakins is his own crap don't stink attitude. Take a look in the mirror and see who is responsible for this embarrassment of a team this year.

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#183 Randaman
November 14 2013, 05:57PM
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nick wrote:

Hey, remember that 5 year old kid that yelled at Eakins "You Suck" He was right, give that kid a prize.

And people wonder why kids today have no respect. They have been learning from people like you obviously. Grow up

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#184 Rama Lama
November 14 2013, 06:11PM
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@Zarny

A lot of people writing in are suggesting we have little talent or very top-end talent..........I would suggest we have the most talent but do not have the development mentality or systems to properly develop our talent.

I for one would have never allowed any of our top draft choices to play on the Oilers until they played at least on AHL season. Or better yet use the Detroit model and let the cream rise to the top and then on the basis of merit promote as needed.

THis way we would not have to develop players like Yaks in the bigs! By doing so we avoid what we have right now.........no progress, and continuous re-building.

Either was is painful but the Detroit model eventually you get to the promised land. With our model we have to wander in the desert for 40 years!

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#185 Walter Sobchak
November 14 2013, 06:53PM
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It's probably not going to get better under Eakins, but it's not going to get better under any of the stop-gaps we could replace him with either. That's what we're limited to now. Stop-gaps.

Who is your ideal coach to right the ship? Now explain how does that guy even want this job? We aren't in a position to hire a saviour-level coach here. We fire Eakins and I guarantee you that we get either Buchberger or Smith as interim head coach. Do you want that? Absolutely best case scenario MacT steps back in. Todd Nelson would be smarter to stay in Oklahoma and wait for a real NHL team to poach him.

The guy who would take this job now is likely not a guy who is capable of leading us out of this on his own. Anybody who is good enough has much better options for their career.

Good points.

I can't honestly know what Katz is thinking, I admit it would be pure speculation I think I can break it down a bit, fired the coaches, didn't work, fired the GM, didn't work, haven't fired the POHO or his buddies.... Personally I don't think anybody survives the next purge.

Your right MacTavish going back behind the bench won't work, nor would Smith or Bucky.

I said 3 years ago that Brent Sutter should have been here to mould those kids, his record working with kids is undeniable.

The whole thing needs to come down, and your right, just changing the coach won't help in the short term, but is that fair to the fans, the coach and the team?

We haven't even played the top western conference teams yet, just middle soft Eastern teams.

The Oilers haven't even begun to lose yet! We as fans are in for a whole new version of suck.

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#186 Overwatchedandunderpaid
November 14 2013, 08:01PM
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As awful as this sound i hope the oilers continue on this downward spiral. I have to hope that katz has to do something if things dont start to change. However, if we start to win every second game but still find are self well out of competing for a spot the oil brass will not change and everything will stay the same. It is time for a big, BOLD change.

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#187 Chainsawz
November 14 2013, 09:44PM
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@GregDonaldson

If you can't see how that firing Lowe helps this organization long term, then you are the type of fan that I despise. The unfaltering apologist. The one that lives to accept whatever is dished out to them by likes of Stauffer and co.

If the President of Hockey Operations has no effect of our on ice product, maybe we need one that can effect the product in a positive way.

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#188 Chainsawz
November 14 2013, 09:49PM
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Ducey wrote:

I am not really sure why a trade has to be coming. The season is lost.

Making a trade now for a big name defenseman might move this team to start playing .500 hockey for the rest of the season. Big deal. Its going to cost assets and is likely to wind up being detrimental in the future.

Who cares about the future? I want wins now.

Continuously losing has not helped this franchise one iota to date. Why repeat this madness?

Get winning and start building a winning culture.

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#189 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
November 14 2013, 10:10PM
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@A-Mc

Didn't the Oilers ship their 2nd round pick this year to St. Louis in the Perron deal?

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#190 Burnward
November 15 2013, 02:41AM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

On an incredibly lighter note that could offer a good few seconds of a mild smile, I have managed to find an Oiler team that is number one so far in the standings!! 9 games in they are 7-2

Oilers Number One in Chinese Hockey!!

No idea how I found that :-)

Best league in the world.

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#191 m
November 15 2013, 06:06AM
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"Bold Moves" or "Consequences"??

Consequences? Isn't Kavis Reed looking for a job? Now that would be a bold move.

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#192 seanjohn667
November 15 2013, 07:16AM
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Season Ticket Guy wrote:

Sadly I have already paid for my tickets. Selling them is a pain in the butt. The only people buying tickets are the fans of the visitors.

At the game last nite the only people cheering were the Fiddler family and the person that won the 50/50.

3 games in a row with 0 goals? So everything should remain the same? The "execs" make a lot of $$ it is up to them to figure this out and fix it. Up to now, they don't seem to have a solution. If I told my boss for 6 months straight that I don't know how to fix things at my job, I'd be gone. To do that for 8 years? No one in ANY job is given that leeway. OK - there is one - Pres of the Oil.

there really seems to something strange going on. How they can just watch a season just evaporate before our eyes and continue sit on their hands boggles the mind. You are supposed to try to win every year. Writing off a season in November is unforgivable.

this is very weird.

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#193 LOIL99
November 15 2013, 10:45AM
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I was talking about the return on Pronger in the Anaheim deal, not the St. Louis one.

Penner cost significant assets.

Glencross wanted a 1.4 million dollar one way deal. Easy signing.

Eberle, Gagner, Petry and Hemsky are part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Petry is an overpaid #5 on a decent team. The other guys are not 200 foot players. Eberle was good value where we drafted him, but is the poster boy for what's wrong with this team. Hall and RNH are keepers. I'd be dealing Eberle and Yakupov(wouldn't deal Yak right now).

Oh so you cherry picked the trading away of Pronger when Lowe's back was completely against the wall because of a trade demand, and ignored the trade to bring him in that got Oil to SCF game 7. Gotcha...

Your "Penner cost significant assets" comment is pretty vague, but since its simply not true, I understand why you were vague.

Kings picked J Shultz with one of the picks and he defected to us anyways. And kings sure as hell didn't get any 20+ goal scorers with the other picks (one was used to get Marc Andre Bergeron from NYI haha).

Oilers easily wont the Penner offer sheet. Sorry about using facts to backup my argument. I know vague claims are a much easier to tool.

And if you think Petry isn't at least top 4 pairing dman on ANY NHL team, then you are simply too down on this team to think straight.

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#194 birdieman
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The only one that can fire Low eis Katz and that will not happen. Still living in the past with these Old Oiler's is the problem.

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#195 Gary Shok
November 16 2013, 09:57PM
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GregDonaldson wrote:

Answer me this angry Oilers fans...

Tell me exactly what it accomplishes by firing Kevin Lowe?

Do you honestly think all of the team's struggles and problems will magically be cured as soon as Lowe is turfed?

You so badly need your scapegoat and your pound of flesh that you don't care how ridiculous you all sound.

Firing Lowe solves nothing, he is not going anywhere, GET OVER IT.

Go back to booing Yakupov and chase him out of town just as you did with Jason Arnott among others. The typical Oilers fan will want that "spoiled brat" Yakupov ran out of town on the first thing smoking but those same exact typical Oilers fans will lament how they don't have and need a sniper like Yakupov when he is gone.

I love the Oilers, I despise most other Oiler fans, you give the rest of us a bad name. Yes I am talking to you the ones who would yell shoot at Hemsky when he wasn't even in a position to shoot. The ones who said Horcoff was useless. The ones who bashed Penner while he was here and wanted him bought out but then turned around and complained that his trade return wasn't enough. The ones who live to bitch, whine and complain about every little thing.

Are you kidding me?? Firing Lowe will solve everything. You must be from the existing terrible Oilers organization.

We are the worst franchise in Sports. We have been the joke of the NHL over the last 5 years. Are you kidding me?

Even if you tried, you couldn't put together a worse team.

A defense core that barely belongs in the NHL. Not one d man that can move the puck up. The same type of offensive players that remain up ice rather than playing defense.

Rookie players, rookie GM, rookie coach, wtf! Get some proven assets. You are an idiot

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