I find it hilarious how flames fans pump their own tires and talk about how great their pipeline is and how promising their prospects are. They got a ways to go and have no idea what the basement holds for them for the next 6 years. Anyways.. that’s my random rant.
Do you know how long us Flames fans have had to listen to Oil fans gloat and gush over your “future all-stars”. How’s that workin for ya these days?
Truth is the Flames system is ripe with some very intriguing prospects. The Heat have been one of the best teams in the A all year, not to mention that a good chunk of our most promising prospects are not even playing on that team (they are in College and CHL).
Oh and tonight by the way, guess who has scored for Calgary to go up 3-0 on the Sens and your precious Hemsky who was supposed to be helping them out? Granlund, Byron and Colbourne – the future.
I would agree with you that Calgary’s future does not hang on these three – they could make good complementary players. Just using tonight’s example to illustrate that our prospect depth is not as barren as many think.
However I would add Brodie (guys a possession monster playing 1st pair minutes and still above water),Backlund (good 2nd line two-way possession center), with the possibility of Poirer, Gaudreau & Baertschi to your list.
Just a short physics lesson: Sven at 5’11” 185lbs carrying Johnny at 5’8″ 155lbs collide with Jumbo Joe at 6’4″ 235lbs. As long as Sven is carrying Johnny in his little arms there is a good chance Calgary comes out on top, but those little arms will soon tire. Take it from an Oil fan who knows. Small skill is a losing bet in the Pacific division. Enjoy the view from the cellar for the next 5 years.
Frankly, you could replace the word Oilers for the word Flames.
We could easily be in the basement for the next 6 years, and I will tell you why.
THe salary cap is going to go up by a significant amount next season, this amount will make it appear that players like Hall and RNH, and yes perhaps even Eberle and Gagner will make there long term contracts look like a great value.
It would not surprise me if all of them demand a trade next year, especially if there is no signifcant improvement in toughness, compete, and defense. Which will not be able to be acquired, if we do not trade two of the four. So it may be back to the same old same old.
As soon as we finish ruining Yaks career, the only place for him will be in the KHL, he will not resign under Eakins, the guy plays the type of game coaches like Eakins dislike.
Remember what these players say to the press, is not what they are saying in thier ‘inside’ voice. Hall used to get excited when he scored a goal…have a look at his facial expression next time you see him score a goal
This is as low as it can go. Every year for the last 3 years I thought it couldn’t get any worst. But this franchise just keeps shovelling more s**t onto the pile. Today they just traded away the best player they’ve had in a decade for absolutely nothing. Where do we go from here?
Hemsky sucks man. Seriously let it go 2006 was a life time ago. Finally hes gone. Mac is doing a great job so far. Out with the old and lazy in with the new
If that’s your opinion of hemsky I can’t wait for opinion on eberle in 6 years since they’re the same player accept hemsky not a little girl like eberle
Hahaa!! Hemsky has one 70 points season in his 12 year career so explain to me how that makes him better than Eberle. You sure are done. I think the Canucks need some fans go cheer.them on
Well if you wanna get technical, hemsky’s had 2 70 point seasons. You’ll see. You’ll be bitching about eberle in 3 years wondering who the oilers are gonna draft top 5 again, and I’ll be watching hemsky playing in the playoffs. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya!
Thats a lame excuse buddy. fyi.hes been part of the problem in Edm. Prior to last night.he had 7 goals in 50+ games. The numbers dont lie. Its not just a coincidence the Oil.have sucked the whole time hes been here
That is not a fair comparison. Put Eberle on the 3rd line playing 14-15 minutes a game with Gordon, and Smyth or Jones or Hendricks or Joensuu, and very little PP time and offensive zone start, then we have a better comparison.
The market has spoken – hemsky is worth about a couple bags of pucks. You might think he is better than eberle but 30 out of thirty GMs in the nhl would disagree…
Eberle is definitely more valuable that Hemsky at this point, but I doubt that other GMs value Eberle as highly as Oiler fans/the organization do. He is defensively challenged, small, and cannot drive the bus. Given time he will hopefully learn to play defence (or at least put an effort into it unlike this season), but he is a complementary player in the NHL that needs others to create space for him. As we have seen this year, take Hall away from Nuge and Ebs and they do not have space and time to operate. In the NHL the big guys can skate, and that makes it difficult for smaller players like Ebs.
“Except” for the fact that Ebs has a 30 goal season and soon to be 3 20 goal season in his first 4 years….Hemsky has never broken 23 goals, and only broke 20 twice….
This team is an emberassment to the city! Edmonton is not made up of losers and inept people like this team reflects!! Move to Seattle oilers, you’re pathetic attempt to be professional is not welcome in this city!!
Trade everyone over 30 (and get ripped off), tank, and wait for the draft.
Why in god’s name were they sellers this year? I thought they were planning on turning it around some day?
Players like Andy McDonald, Andrej Meszaros, and Lee Stempniak are quality guys who fill gaps the Oilers urgently need to address, and could be had for throw-away draft picks. Yes they may be UFAs, and no they might not re-sign in Edmonton. But the Oilers have a notoriously hard time signing UFAs, if giving up a 150th overall pick every now and then is what it takes to get sole negotiating rights, get the guy into your jersey, and potentially sign him to a reasonable contract, then that’s what you do.
The Oilers need to turn the ship around. Instead, its business as usual, the tank is still on, and they’re just going to accumulate picks until the ship turns itself around.
Instead of making excuses about how it was a buyer’s market, the Oilers should be bragging about how they added some quality players to the team that they hope to re-sign and that they’d like to see stay with the organization long-term.
Trading a pick for a player’s rights is pie-in-the-sky?
You do realize that this is EXACTLY what the Oilers JUST did to get their starting goalie, right?
And that is was easily the team’s best move of the season, and they just signed him to a great contract like 2 days ago?
You sound like this is news to you, so let me know if you need me to slow down.
Teams trade picks for players’ rights many times every single season. Because it usually works. It is a relatively common means of acquiring a player in the NHL.
As someone else pointed out on a different thread, the Oil basically traded Hemsky for Fasth, as the draft picks they gave up for Fasth, they got back in the Hemsky deal. And if the Oil are really keen they can sign Hemsky in the summer, again not suggesting they do.
So they gave up Hemsky for 20 something games and got a decent enough goalie on a pretty friendly contract with an option to resign him.
I dont think thats quite accurate. Our draft picks to Anaheim are worth a lot more than Ottawa.s to us given that we will finish around 29th and Ottawa will finish much much higher
You forgot to add the fact that he was playing behind a much stronger team as well. Back-up tenders like Fasth are easy to sign in the off-season and do not require giving up draft picks……
It was a bad deal. Back-up tenders like Fasth can be signed in the off-season for cheap without costing and draft picks. If MacT is sold on Scrivens, they should ride him for the final 20 games and just bring up a tender from the farm as a back up. Why waste draft picks on a 30+ year old tender with limited starting experience?
I have no problem with this deal, going from 20 games a year to 60+ is a big change, I really like what I have seen with Scrivins but the jury is still out.
It sounds like Fasth could possibly be a #1 as well
and if one plays 50+ and the other plays 30that might be the best scenario for next year, after that Fasth is a free agent and then everyone will know where the goal tending is at.
I think it was be best to have the goal tending looked after for next year so the concentration can be the other needs which is mostly defense.
I have no problem adding a tender like Fasth, but an unproven 30+ year old tender with less than 40 starts is someone you sign as a UFA in the summer, not trade picks for at the deadline. MacT could have used the pick in a package for a serviceable NHL d-man instead which would have been more useful for the team.
5.2 million in salary for 2 pretty decent goalies is on par with what most teams pay, actually on the low end of the scale.
Goaltending was a problem with the Oil, but the problem was more the terrible defence and there isn’t any goalie that will make up for the defence. The focus can be now on defence and it looks like MacT made some space in with trading Nick Schultz and Potter getting picked up on waivers.
Hopefully the summer will be when MacT addresses those needs. He seems to be doing alright at slowly fixing the many many things that were wrong with the Oil.
I have no problem adding a tender like Fasth to the team, but those type of goalies can be had for the same price tag during the off-season without costing you two draft picks. If 2015 is as deep a draft as they are predicting it could be, then that 3rd rounder will have decent value.
Alternatively, MacT could have used that pick in a package for a real NHL d-man during the summer instead of a back-up goalie. Which one would be more valuable for the team?
You know this is Alberta right. Albertans don’t like hearing about how Toronto is the center of the universe, nobody does. Besides, out west we all know Alberta is the center of the universe and Edmonton is the capital, so Toronto can eat a big fat [email protected]%.
Considering that Penner only went for a fourth, I thought MacT got decent value in a third and a fifth for Hemsky. If a forward has declining production in recent years like those two have had, then teams aren’t going to give up much to rent them for 20 games plus one/two playoff rounds. Seriously, look at it from the other team’s perspective and ask yourself if you would trade away first/second round draft picks to rent Hemsky or Penner at this point in their careers.
Also, when comparing Hemsky and Fasth, please keep in mind that Fasth is under contract for next year (at a reasonable salary), which boosts his trade value.
Boy are there some short memories, I told a friend in 2003 Hemsky would be a career point a game player, well I was wrong big time.
He never put in the effort in practice, last on first off, most nights little effort,put himself in vulnerable positions way too often which is not tough but dumb.
He got 23% of his goals this year last night which he knew was his last game and was a rare night he looked like a $5million dollar player.
People say he’s not a third line player which I agree with as far as God given talent but he never showed up near often enough, if he played more games like last night he would still be here.
Big Bear, you’re talking about mortgaging the future, AKA exactly what got the Oilers into this mess. I agree that doing it once or twice a year can be beneficial, as you (prickishly) pointed out with Scrivens. But how many bottom feeding teams go out, sell off all their draft picks and pick up rentals on deadline day?
And to top it off, you’re talking about trading picks for players RIGHTS, meaning you’re giving up selections for the chance to talk to a player and hope he likes the money you throw at him. Why the hell would MacT do this at the trade deadline in a season where they’re going to finish last or second last again? This team needs a lot more help beyond getting a couple borderline UFAs they HOPE to re-sign.
Thank God you’re not driving this clowncar, I think you might actually be able to do a worse job than current management.
Booo.
Need text recaps in these low service areas
I find it hilarious how flames fans pump their own tires and talk about how great their pipeline is and how promising their prospects are. They got a ways to go and have no idea what the basement holds for them for the next 6 years. Anyways.. that’s my random rant.
And yet they will probably finish ahead of us in the standings.
Do you know how long us Flames fans have had to listen to Oil fans gloat and gush over your “future all-stars”. How’s that workin for ya these days?
Truth is the Flames system is ripe with some very intriguing prospects. The Heat have been one of the best teams in the A all year, not to mention that a good chunk of our most promising prospects are not even playing on that team (they are in College and CHL).
Oh and tonight by the way, guess who has scored for Calgary to go up 3-0 on the Sens and your precious Hemsky who was supposed to be helping them out? Granlund, Byron and Colbourne – the future.
Come on man, we’ve been through enough these past 4 years. To know that Lowe has a free ride too… Have some sympathy!
You are right. I apologize – and I do have sympathy. I have been showing a lot of it to friends of mine who are Oiler fans as of late.
Just get a little worked up sometimes.
Sorry bud but Granlund, Bryon and Colbourne are no better than Gagner, Cogliano and Comrie.
They might turn into decent, maybe even good NHLers but you aren’t building anything around them.
Calgary has Giordano, Monahan and a whole lot of meh.
I would agree with you that Calgary’s future does not hang on these three – they could make good complementary players. Just using tonight’s example to illustrate that our prospect depth is not as barren as many think.
However I would add Brodie (guys a possession monster playing 1st pair minutes and still above water),Backlund (good 2nd line two-way possession center), with the possibility of Poirer, Gaudreau & Baertschi to your list.
Just a short physics lesson: Sven at 5’11” 185lbs carrying Johnny at 5’8″ 155lbs collide with Jumbo Joe at 6’4″ 235lbs. As long as Sven is carrying Johnny in his little arms there is a good chance Calgary comes out on top, but those little arms will soon tire. Take it from an Oil fan who knows. Small skill is a losing bet in the Pacific division. Enjoy the view from the cellar for the next 5 years.
Frankly, you could replace the word Oilers for the word Flames.
We could easily be in the basement for the next 6 years, and I will tell you why.
THe salary cap is going to go up by a significant amount next season, this amount will make it appear that players like Hall and RNH, and yes perhaps even Eberle and Gagner will make there long term contracts look like a great value.
It would not surprise me if all of them demand a trade next year, especially if there is no signifcant improvement in toughness, compete, and defense. Which will not be able to be acquired, if we do not trade two of the four. So it may be back to the same old same old.
As soon as we finish ruining Yaks career, the only place for him will be in the KHL, he will not resign under Eakins, the guy plays the type of game coaches like Eakins dislike.
Remember what these players say to the press, is not what they are saying in thier ‘inside’ voice. Hall used to get excited when he scored a goal…have a look at his facial expression next time you see him score a goal
SZABADOS!!!
This is as low as it can go. Every year for the last 3 years I thought it couldn’t get any worst. But this franchise just keeps shovelling more s**t onto the pile. Today they just traded away the best player they’ve had in a decade for absolutely nothing. Where do we go from here?
Hemsky sucks man. Seriously let it go 2006 was a life time ago. Finally hes gone. Mac is doing a great job so far. Out with the old and lazy in with the new
If that’s your opinion of hemsky I can’t wait for opinion on eberle in 6 years since they’re the same player accept hemsky not a little girl like eberle
Who said I was an Eberle fan? He should be traded for a PF wayne simmonds type. And if you think hemsky is better than eberle you need help
I don’t think hemsky is better then eberle. I watch the games. I know hemsky is better then eberle. You keep waving your oiler Pom Pom’s. I’m done
Hahaa!! Hemsky has one 70 points season in his 12 year career so explain to me how that makes him better than Eberle. You sure are done. I think the Canucks need some fans go cheer.them on
Well if you wanna get technical, hemsky’s had 2 70 point seasons. You’ll see. You’ll be bitching about eberle in 3 years wondering who the oilers are gonna draft top 5 again, and I’ll be watching hemsky playing in the playoffs. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya!
If Hemsky is better than ebs please inform everyone why Hemskys production is way below eberles
Because he’s been trapped on this pathetic excuse for an NHL team for too long
Thats a lame excuse buddy. fyi.hes been part of the problem in Edm. Prior to last night.he had 7 goals in 50+ games. The numbers dont lie. Its not just a coincidence the Oil.have sucked the whole time hes been here
That is not a fair comparison. Put Eberle on the 3rd line playing 14-15 minutes a game with Gordon, and Smyth or Jones or Hendricks or Joensuu, and very little PP time and offensive zone start, then we have a better comparison.
The market has spoken – hemsky is worth about a couple bags of pucks. You might think he is better than eberle but 30 out of thirty GMs in the nhl would disagree…
Eberle is definitely more valuable that Hemsky at this point, but I doubt that other GMs value Eberle as highly as Oiler fans/the organization do. He is defensively challenged, small, and cannot drive the bus. Given time he will hopefully learn to play defence (or at least put an effort into it unlike this season), but he is a complementary player in the NHL that needs others to create space for him. As we have seen this year, take Hall away from Nuge and Ebs and they do not have space and time to operate. In the NHL the big guys can skate, and that makes it difficult for smaller players like Ebs.
“Except” for the fact that Ebs has a 30 goal season and soon to be 3 20 goal season in his first 4 years….Hemsky has never broken 23 goals, and only broke 20 twice….
Oh did i mention HEMSKY SMoKES CIGS!!!
Take away Taylor Hall from his line and how much does Ebs produce?
This team is an emberassment to the city! Edmonton is not made up of losers and inept people like this team reflects!! Move to Seattle oilers, you’re pathetic attempt to be professional is not welcome in this city!!
And the Oilers go back to the ol’ well.
Trade everyone over 30 (and get ripped off), tank, and wait for the draft.
Why in god’s name were they sellers this year? I thought they were planning on turning it around some day?
Players like Andy McDonald, Andrej Meszaros, and Lee Stempniak are quality guys who fill gaps the Oilers urgently need to address, and could be had for throw-away draft picks. Yes they may be UFAs, and no they might not re-sign in Edmonton. But the Oilers have a notoriously hard time signing UFAs, if giving up a 150th overall pick every now and then is what it takes to get sole negotiating rights, get the guy into your jersey, and potentially sign him to a reasonable contract, then that’s what you do.
The Oilers need to turn the ship around. Instead, its business as usual, the tank is still on, and they’re just going to accumulate picks until the ship turns itself around.
Instead of making excuses about how it was a buyer’s market, the Oilers should be bragging about how they added some quality players to the team that they hope to re-sign and that they’d like to see stay with the organization long-term.
“Oilers should be bragging about how they added some quality players to the team that they hope to re-sign”
Really? And when the UFAs choose not to re-sign here, and we’re out a player AND the pick(s) we gave up for them, where does that leave us?
That’s not a calculated gamble, that’s pie in the sky.
Trading a pick for a player’s rights is pie-in-the-sky?
You do realize that this is EXACTLY what the Oilers JUST did to get their starting goalie, right?
And that is was easily the team’s best move of the season, and they just signed him to a great contract like 2 days ago?
You sound like this is news to you, so let me know if you need me to slow down.
Teams trade picks for players’ rights many times every single season. Because it usually works. It is a relatively common means of acquiring a player in the NHL.
Didn’t feel like enough for Hemsky.
As someone else pointed out on a different thread, the Oil basically traded Hemsky for Fasth, as the draft picks they gave up for Fasth, they got back in the Hemsky deal. And if the Oil are really keen they can sign Hemsky in the summer, again not suggesting they do.
So they gave up Hemsky for 20 something games and got a decent enough goalie on a pretty friendly contract with an option to resign him.
I think they did quite well in the deal actually.
I dont think thats quite accurate. Our draft picks to Anaheim are worth a lot more than Ottawa.s to us given that we will finish around 29th and Ottawa will finish much much higher
thanks – saved me some typing…
Fasth is 31 – has injury issues and has played fewer than forty games.
Anaheim thought he was expendable – worth only a third rounder.
HArdly confidence inspiring…
You forgot to add the fact that he was playing behind a much stronger team as well. Back-up tenders like Fasth are easy to sign in the off-season and do not require giving up draft picks……
It was a bad deal. Back-up tenders like Fasth can be signed in the off-season for cheap without costing and draft picks. If MacT is sold on Scrivens, they should ride him for the final 20 games and just bring up a tender from the farm as a back up. Why waste draft picks on a 30+ year old tender with limited starting experience?
I have no problem with this deal, going from 20 games a year to 60+ is a big change, I really like what I have seen with Scrivins but the jury is still out.
It sounds like Fasth could possibly be a #1 as well
and if one plays 50+ and the other plays 30that might be the best scenario for next year, after that Fasth is a free agent and then everyone will know where the goal tending is at.
I think it was be best to have the goal tending looked after for next year so the concentration can be the other needs which is mostly defense.
I have no problem adding a tender like Fasth, but an unproven 30+ year old tender with less than 40 starts is someone you sign as a UFA in the summer, not trade picks for at the deadline. MacT could have used the pick in a package for a serviceable NHL d-man instead which would have been more useful for the team.
5.2 million in salary for 2 pretty decent goalies is on par with what most teams pay, actually on the low end of the scale.
Goaltending was a problem with the Oil, but the problem was more the terrible defence and there isn’t any goalie that will make up for the defence. The focus can be now on defence and it looks like MacT made some space in with trading Nick Schultz and Potter getting picked up on waivers.
Hopefully the summer will be when MacT addresses those needs. He seems to be doing alright at slowly fixing the many many things that were wrong with the Oil.
Tell that Colorado’s GM.
I have no problem adding a tender like Fasth to the team, but those type of goalies can be had for the same price tag during the off-season without costing you two draft picks. If 2015 is as deep a draft as they are predicting it could be, then that 3rd rounder will have decent value.
Alternatively, MacT could have used that pick in a package for a real NHL d-man during the summer instead of a back-up goalie. Which one would be more valuable for the team?
You know this is Alberta right. Albertans don’t like hearing about how Toronto is the center of the universe, nobody does. Besides, out west we all know Alberta is the center of the universe and Edmonton is the capital, so Toronto can eat a big fat [email protected]%.
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Geeeeeze what a dangle who’d this guy ever play for???…… At least now I know where the other bobble heads got the phrase “Dirty dangle”.
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Disgusted
let us pretend that hemsky got injured last game and he was not traded .sign him in the off season 2.9m/year for 2years,
Shocking most blogs and new outlets get the Hemsky trade wrong.
3rd in 2014 and 5th in 2015. This is correct
Considering that Penner only went for a fourth, I thought MacT got decent value in a third and a fifth for Hemsky. If a forward has declining production in recent years like those two have had, then teams aren’t going to give up much to rent them for 20 games plus one/two playoff rounds. Seriously, look at it from the other team’s perspective and ask yourself if you would trade away first/second round draft picks to rent Hemsky or Penner at this point in their careers.
Also, when comparing Hemsky and Fasth, please keep in mind that Fasth is under contract for next year (at a reasonable salary), which boosts his trade value.
Anyone remember what Feaster said about the Oilers? How we’re “wandering around in the desert with no way out?” Yeaaaah
Anyone else stoked to watch Hemsky become a superstar now that he’s left our black hole of an organization??
Ya a superstar for HC Pardubice….Hemsky is out of shape, and has a worse shot than Gagner
Boy are there some short memories, I told a friend in 2003 Hemsky would be a career point a game player, well I was wrong big time.
He never put in the effort in practice, last on first off, most nights little effort,put himself in vulnerable positions way too often which is not tough but dumb.
He got 23% of his goals this year last night which he knew was his last game and was a rare night he looked like a $5million dollar player.
People say he’s not a third line player which I agree with as far as God given talent but he never showed up near often enough, if he played more games like last night he would still be here.
That was Hemmer under soft Oilers management. Paul McLean will tear him a new one. Watch his career turn around in OTT.
james_dean summed up this post perfectly…only thing i needed to read.
Big Bear, you’re talking about mortgaging the future, AKA exactly what got the Oilers into this mess. I agree that doing it once or twice a year can be beneficial, as you (prickishly) pointed out with Scrivens. But how many bottom feeding teams go out, sell off all their draft picks and pick up rentals on deadline day?
And to top it off, you’re talking about trading picks for players RIGHTS, meaning you’re giving up selections for the chance to talk to a player and hope he likes the money you throw at him. Why the hell would MacT do this at the trade deadline in a season where they’re going to finish last or second last again? This team needs a lot more help beyond getting a couple borderline UFAs they HOPE to re-sign.
Thank God you’re not driving this clowncar, I think you might actually be able to do a worse job than current management.
Bicker all you guys want.
The only point that matters after deadline is that Vancouver is even more likely not to make the playoffs.
**Borat Impression**
‘High-five!’