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Monday Mailbag – Winners and losers from Deadline Day

The Trade Deadline is in the books, the Oilers are playing out the stretch, and it’s another Monday back at work. As far as tough times go for Oilers fans, I think we’ve had our share now and it’s time for a rebound. Fortunately, the Mailbag is here to help turn the ship around and kill a little bit of company time while we’re at it. If you have for next week’s mailbag you can email it to me at baggedmilk@oilersnation.com or DM on Twitter at @jsbmbaggedmilk. Until then, let’s all gather round to learn a little something together.

Nov 7, 2017; Brooklyn, NY, USA; Edmonton Oilers center Mark Letestu (55) fights for the puck against New York Islanders center John Tavares (91) and center Anders Lee (27) during the second period at Barclays Center. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports

1) Tony asks – Looking back at the trade deadline, how do you think the Oilers did? Did any of the trades surprise you?

Jason Gregor:

None really surprised me. If Aberg turns out to be a regular bottom-six forward then they did fine. We won’t know until 2024 if the 3rd round picks pan out.

Matt Henderson:

I was mildly surprised at the Davidson trade because I really like what he brings but also because a third for a waiver wire pickup is actually good work by Chia. Then I was surprised that an incredibly cheap, productive, bruising forward with playoff experience went for the lowest return of all his comparables.

Christian Pagnani:

I liked Davidson a cheap third-pair guy next season, but that’s tough to do with Kris Russell on the books. A third-round pick isn’t bad for a guy claimed off waivers. I don’t mind taking a shot at Pontus Aberg, but the Maroon trade is underwhelming. He’s cheap, skilled, and can play with really good players. That should have been worth more than a third and a throwaway prospect.

Chris the Intern:

Obviously, I would have loved for something drastic to happen – like the Oilers acquiring Karlsson. Other than that nothing was very surprising. I was pretty disappointed with the Maroon return but I mean based on recent history you can’t really expect much more than that. The Letestu return was better than expected, and the Davidson trade was actually a shocker. In a perfect world, we land Maroon in the summer again for super cheap, and Davy comes back too! Then I’ll be satisfied.

Baggedmilk:

I was surprised that they got a better return for Mark Letestu than they did for Pat Maroon. That one blows me away. Chiarelli says he only had one offer on Maroon but I don’t buy it for a second. I think he dropped the ball.

Apr 30, 2017; Edmonton, Alberta, CAN; Edmonton Oilers forward Patrick Maroon (19) celebrates after scoring a goal in the first period against the Anaheim Ducks in game three of the second round of the 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs at Rogers Place. Mandatory Credit: Perry Nelson-USA TODAY Sports

2) Sasha asks – In your opinion, who were the winners and losers on Trade Deadline Day?

Jason Gregor:

Winner for me was Tampa (McDonagh and Miller), Boston (Nash), Winnipeg (Stastny) and Sharks (Kane). The Jets needed to keep pace with Nashville and the Pacific is wide open and Kane should help them. Losers for me. Toronto might regret not adding a D-man. They have a deep forward group and solid goaltending. I thought they would have improved their D, especially with Boston and Tampa improving their teams.

Matt Henderson:

Winner was probably Tampa. Loser was Ottawa. I like what Yzerman is doing and how he manages to pay less than what everyone expects. Ottawa basically told their whole team they were unwanted but still kept them around.

Christian Pagnani:

I like what the Rangers did. They might not have gotten exactly what they wanted, but I don’t think McDonagh had more value going forward in the summer. As for losers, I’m not sure why the Islanders or Calgary didn’t do more.

Chris the Intern:

The losers were probably Vancouver. They got fleeced on the Vanek trade and I still don’t understand why Benning went for it.

I think a couple teams crushed it on deadline day. The Lightning acquiring Miller and McDonough was huge. They paid a hefty price but now their already stacked team is even more stacked. I thought the Knights getting Tatar was huge as well for them. They’re just dishing out their draft picks right now and I’m pretty curious how it will affect them down the road.

Baggedmilk:

Winner is Stevie Yzerman and the Lightning. How did they go from trying to get Erik Karlsson to “settling” on Ryan McDonagh? That’s amazing GMing right there.

Loser has to be Jim Benning and the Canucks. How did he not get any draft picks to help move the rebuild along?

Oct 24, 2017; Pittsburgh, PA, USA; Edmonton Oilers defenseman Darnell Nurse (25) skates with the puck against the Pittsburgh Penguins during the second period at PPG PAINTS Arena. The Penguins won 2-1 in overtime. Mandatory Credit: Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports

3) Brady asks – Darnell Nurse has been one of the bright spots of the season so far. Since he’s due for a new contract I’m wondering whether you would sign him to a bridge deal or something longer term like Oscar Klefbom?

Jason Gregor:

If you could get him to sign for seven years at $4.1 mill I’d do it. I suspect he might want a bridge deal and see him signing around $2.5 million/year.

Matt Henderson:

I think if he was signed to $4M or so for long-term that he could provide reasonably close to that for the foreseeable future. I don’t think defensemen like him get cheaper even if I’m not sure he’ll ever be worth more than Klefbom.

Christian Pagnani:

I have doubts about his offence. He’s on pace for 26 points and I don’t see him as a regular power play guy. I’d bridge him since defenceman usually get paid based on offence. I don’t see him becoming a huge offensive threat where Edmonton regrets signing him to a bridge deal like Montreal and P.K. Subban.

Chris the Intern:

I would go bridge just to be safe. Apparently cap space is super valuable around here so I would save it if we can. I would hope Darnell wouldn’t hesitate to re-sign here once his bridge is over anyways because of McDavid, obviously.

Baggedmilk:

I could see them signing Darryl to a Oscar Klefbom type contract. That would be good value imo. Unless, of course, he has a down year like Klefbom is having right now and everyone wants to run him out of town.

Oct 9, 2017; Edmonton, Alberta, CAN; Edmonton Oilers center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (93) controls the puck against the Winnipeg Jets during the second period at Rogers Place. Mandatory Credit: Sergei Belski-USA TODAY Sports

4) Ryan asks – I read Jason Gregor’s article talking about playing Ryan Nugent-Hopkins on the wing and am wondering why you think Todd McLellan is opposed to the idea? In the past, he’s compared RNH to Joe Pavelski, a player he often played on the wing, so why not try the same thing here? Would he be better with McDavid or Draisaitl?

Jason Gregor:

I believe he didn’t do it earlier in the year because Strome was struggling and they didn’t have a legit 3C. Strome and Khaira look more comfortable in 3C and 4C roles now. McDavid is clearly 1C, and Draisaitl is a better centre. McLellan said today it is something they will look at. once RNH returns. He did say he will play him at centre his first few games back, because he is most comfortable there and he wants him to find his game before asking him to switch positions. But after talking Todd after his press conference I got the sense it is something he would like to see. The four centres playing now, McDavid, Draisaitl, Strome and Khaira, can fit their slot effectively so moving RNH would be much easier.

Matt Henderson:

I have stopped trying to understand McLellan’s player usage. I think I get why he likes Draisaitl and McDavid together. Maybe he likes them so much as a duo that it doesn’t matter if Nuge would also benefit the same way.

Christian Pagnani:

I wonder if he likes the McDavid-Draisaitl combo better. It’s a lost season so now is the time to throw RNH on the wing and see what he can do. Having all three of McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH playing center is expensive, and they don’t have the wingers to run them effectively. I know McDavid and Draisaitl are amazing together, but that’s too much money on one line. Draisaitl should run his own line at $8.5 million. I’d see if RNH and Draisaitl can be a good pair.

Chris the Intern:

Honestly, have no idea. He’s pretty much tried every single person on McDavid’s wing except for Nuge. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TODD!

Baggedmilk:

I’ve been saying he should try Nuge with McDavid since before the season even started so it’s nice that people are starting to come around on the idea… I mean, except for McLellan apparently.

5) Francis in Grande Prairie asks – If this season was a movie title what would it be?

Jason Gregor:

Death by a 1000 Pucks

Matt Henderson:

“One For One: The Peter Chiarelli Story”

Christian Pagnani:

Peter Chiarelli’s Paranormal (Lack of) Activity

Chris the Intern:

Gone but not forgotten.

Baggedmilk:

Pointing Fingers

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  • nijames

    If the Oilers want to resign Maroon it can’t be for more than $1.5 mill a year. Can’t have a Lucic and a Maroon on the same team and unfortunately stuck with Lucic for an eternity.

    • Hemmercules

      Maroon is getting in the 3.5 range I would guess. Depends on how desperate things get at free agency time. He knows better than to come back to the Oilers anyway, I’m sure Hall is filling his ear with reasons not to. He will lock down a decent 3 to 5 year deal closer to home and the Oilers will keep trying to find a place to put Lucic in their top 9 for 5 more years.

  • Rama Lama

    I for one cant understand TM’s player selection and line selection……..it seems that he is very stuck in his own coaching grooove. I know that he is supposed to be a senior and experienced coach but the regression in every part of the team ( PP, P.K especially) is something that only he can account for.

    Me thinks his brilliant assistant coaches are part of the problem. We can’t keep blaming the players all of the time while coaching gets a free ride. Time for a change on the assistant coaches……….TM should be next!

  • ed from edmonton

    Start the whining now about PC being too generous, but I see a 7 year deal for Nurse starting with a 5. The Cap is highly than when Klef signed and that alone suggests Nurse will get something more. Also is we compare what Nurse hs done in his entry level with Klef, no contest. I would also say that Nurse has higher upside potential than Klef. Klef has some has shown some excellent skills but his “no-hit” philosophy limits his upside.

  • RJ

    Like others, I liked the bet on Aberg. He’s a decent player buried on a deep team, and Edmonton is the best place for him to play. And the price was reasonable because Nashville was more interested in freeing up a roster position for players. Zero-pressure trades are the trades Chia seems to know how to do.

    But Maroon’s return should have been better, especially with news coming out that between 5-7 teams were interested in him.

    I get why you’d trade Davidson; a third for a waiver wire pick-up, the team has a surplus of LHD, etc., but I liked him as a 5-6-7 defenceman. From a cap management perspective he makes a lot more sense than Russell.

  • RJ

    After seeing McDavid get $12.5m and Drai get $8.5m, I have a hard time seeing how the Oilers can pay Nurse according to the old paygrid. That $4m price is out of date.

    Expect him to get between $4.5-$5.2m. They could push for him to take less, but when have the Oilers ever gotten a value deal out of anyone?

    • crabman

      McDavid and Draisaitl were both top 10 scoring. both were lottery picks and both had more than one good season. McDavid was paid using Crosby’s, and players like Crosby, cap % as a comparison. And Draisaitl is a big point producing center that is highly desirable player type that is very hard to find.
      I like Nurse but he is currently a stay at home Dman. Physical and skates like the wind. Great player to have but his lack of higher scoring keeps him away from a big payday. He may get there but isn’t there yet. And he won’t be using Draisaitl or McDavid as contract comparables.