Oilers vs. Blues Postgame

St. Louis Blues: 7

Edmonton Oilers: 2

I had a pretty cool seat for tonight’s game; David Staples was nice enough to invite a few of us bloggers to take in the game with him, so I finally got to meet him in person.  I was also rather pleased to meet Bruce McCurdy, BlueBelle, and Smoking Ray.

Unfortunately, that was pretty much where the positives ended, as an overwhelmed Oilers’ PK allowed four goals in a 7-2 loss.  Rather than head back to the hotel and write about it immediately, I decided to go out and drink beer.  It seemed preferable.

 

Oilers Three Stars, According To Me

 

1. Gilbert Brule. I’ve decided to choose my three stars exclusively from players who weren’t on the penalty kill, and Brule played fairly well despite his AHL call-up centre and Ethan Moreau on LW.

2. Denis Grebeshkov. Grebeshkov actually did appear on the penalty kill (0:42) but wasn’t scored on and had a few dangerous shots on the night. He also had at least one brain cramp but on the whole was a positive for the Oilers.

3. Tyler Dellow. Yes, it turns out a blogger can win this award. In this particular case, Tyler gets mention for perfectly summarizing my feelings about last night’s game.

 

Random Thoughts

 

The penalty kill stinks.  It has for a year and a half.  We knew it probably wasn’t coaching before MacTavish was fired, since he’s had success previously, and with a new coaching staff we know it’s probably not coaching now – unless Kelly Buchberger’s been handling the duties for both coaching staffs.  In any case, I’ve been told again and again that bringing in some grinders won’t win the team games, but given that the Oilers’ kill rate now sits at 76.6% I can’t agree with that.  Of course I didn’t agree with it in the summer either, so that doesn’t mean Steve Tambellini is going to do anything about it.

At even-strength I thought the Oilers carried the play, especially early on.  They were outscored, but in this case I think that had more to do with bounces than anything else.  The team didn’t play badly five on five.

I was happy to see Devan Dubnyk’s first NHL start in person; I was less happy when he failed to make a single big save all game.  In a 7-2 loss it’s rarely just the goalie, and it certainly wasn’t here, but he wasn’t helping things.

Ethan Moreau’s a dirty player.  He’s also an undisciplined player.  Late in the third he was hit cleanly by the Blues’ T.J. Oshie and knocked to the ice; he retaliated by tripping Oshie, approaching him from behind and cross-checking him in the neck.  It was a gutless, classless, stupid play, and frankly it turned my stomach.  But hey, he made up for it by fighting Darryl Sydor, a vintage tough guy who has participated in (count ’em) three bouts since the NHL lockout.  Last night he wasn’t fit to wear the jersey.

Bruce has more on this over at Copper & Blue, but midway through the second there was a five minute period where the Blues went from being badly outshot to taking over the game entirely.  It was nasty hockey, and the Oilers couldn’t do anything right.

In closing, I’d like to thank the Oilers.  I’ve reached the point now where I’m unable to muster the same sort of anger following a miserable loss as I have in the past.  No, I just look for positives in individual players, and I’m fairly sure it’s because I’ve written off the team.  I have no confidence in the current roster, and I have less confidence in the management team running the Oilers.  When the team first brought Tambellini on board and announced promotions for others, it was heralded in some quarters as an attempt to replicate the Detroit model.  At this point it looks more like they’re replicating the Islanders’ model.  As of today they sit dead last in the Western Conference, and have earned a spot in the draft lottery.  In the long term, perhaps that’s for the best.  A finish that low would certainly give the team an elite prospect, and might be enough to result in the ouster of the current management team.

  • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

    i agree to a point about moreau.

    however, it was good to see someone at least show some frustrations after getting their a$$es handed to them at home. last year, we (fans) were on here and everywhere b1tching and moaning that the oilers got beat 10-2 and showed no emotion.

    was it pointless? probably. however, why do we have to watch everyone take runs and cheap shots at our "soft" players, yet when an oiler returns the favour, it is classless?

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      Bingo, one day we are complaining the team shows no emotion and lets itself get pushed around, the next day we are complaining when we push back. A play like that happens every night somwhere in the NHL.

      Frustration from another lose + Player no one likes anyways doing something questionable = blown out of proportion.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      I get what you're saying, but in this case when you look at Moreau's postgame comments, it sounds like he did it not for his team, but for himself because he was embarrassed by a younger player. He even said "I don't like being hit when it's 6-2", I'm not going to let that happen."…well guess what you gutless wonder, it DID happen, and the only thing you accomplished was to take a selfish penalty that hurt the team you're supposed to be representing.

      He did it for himself, and nobody else. THAT is why he needs to get that letter off his jersey.

        • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

          Why should anger be directed towards Quinn? If anything, I feel a tinge of sympathy for the gaggle of misfits he's been given to turn into a silk purse.

          • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

            did mact get sympathy? nope

            mact was thrown under the bus for not being able to motivate this group…

            now, they are who we thought they were!!!

            ****smashes desk and kicks a puppy****

          • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

            Because he controls who has the C on the team. Everyone whines that Moreau has it, it's not Moreau's decision as to whether or not he has the C – It's Quinns.

            = If Moreau having the C is actually a detriment to the team, then it's Quinn who is at fault for keeping it on him.

          • Dan the Man

            My thoughts exactly! Quinn's not the problem its the little girls on the ice he has to try to teach how to play the game of hockey. And of course the two ass hats in the front office.

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    I'm really puzzled why the teams current position in the standings is so suprising to people. Take away the best forward and starting goalie from any of the 7-11 place teams (and compound it by not having an NHL proven back-up) and you've got yourself a lottery team.

      • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

        Ya, this really isn't that big of a shock. It was going to take everything going right (ie little to no injuries/further development by Gagner+Cogs/little to no regression from Souray/Vish/Horc/injuries to some of the teams around them) for this team to be a 6/7 team. However they've seen a perfect storm of injuries and regression with only a handful of suprises = Lotto.

  • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

    As sad as this might sound, these are all the bad things that need to happen for things to change. I will be honest, I would have been more mad with a win last night than a loss. The intense focus on the bottom 5 is taking over, and the worse this group of Oilers look, the better IMHO. Finishing this poorly I would hope would be what is needed to get rid of Lowe and Tambo so we can hire a miracle management team cuz that is what it will take to clean up this dogs barf of a hockey team!

  • Zamboni Driver

    Honest to god, the Dive for Five is just not enough. With this collection of bozos in the office, unless this team finishes

    DEAD

    LAST

    they have no hope.

    Bottom five will still enable Barry Fraser or whoeverthehell to draft a dead Lithuanian with huge upside, speed who can, in his defence, do that nifty Gretzky puck juggle from the 7Up commercial!!

  • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

    I'm confused, too soft then too dirty. What do we want? Although I hate when he takes stupid penalties, Moreau's grit is why he is on this team.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      If the hit would have been on a skill player and one of JFJ/Stortini/Souray retaliated everyone would be happy, but since it's Moreau and he retaliated on his own behalf people question it.

        • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

          Whaaan whaan whaan.

          The camera was away from the play when the fight broke out, but from what was seen when it panned back, Sydor looked like a willing combatant.

          Also, hard to feel sorry for the poor little Blues – Last year 6'3' 225lbs David Backes grabbed 6'1' 205lbs Shawn Horcoff and started feeding him.

          • Zamboni Driver

            Sydor in there likely to get his ass kicked = heart.

            Ethan Moreau = No class, no brains, no heart.

            And I'll probably skip your deep, insightful, "Oh yeah, but what about them.." argument, as I'm not, in fact 10 years old.

      • Dan the Man

        I posted after the game last night that I didn't have a big issue with what Moreau. I think people would have been calling him out for not responding to Oshie.

        Your the captain of a team that's getting beat badly 6-2 and to add salt to the wound you get absolutely rocked by 20 year old. He needs to respond. He didn't necessarily need to crosscheck Oshie in the head, I probably would have gone with a punch to the face myself but I can't really blame him.

  • Ender

    Jonathan Willis wrote:

    I've reached the point now where I'm unable to muster the same sort of anger following a miserable loss as I have in the past . . . I'm fairly sure it's because I've written off the team.

    Jonathan, it's hard when the team breaks you, but you'll soon see that it's not nearly as emotionally draining when you lower your expectations to zero and put up an emotional wall. Now you can just sit back dispassionately and know that win or lose, your life and your happiness no longer rest on the back of a losing proposition.

    At least that's what my wife said to me . . .

    Hey, wait a minute . . .

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    I wonder if it's more than a coincidence the Oil dive started not only when they returned home, but also when Grebeshkov returned to the line up. I'm not saying it's entirely Greb's fault. But I wonder if the D on the road had a chance to finally learn or buy into Quinn's system? And if the return of Greb has thrown out whatever chemistry and familarity our road D had built up.

    Will Fraser on the Team brought up a good point on last night's post game. The Oil cannot afford the inconsistency of both Gilbert and/or Grebeshkov. Both of whom seems to cause the team a goal a game because of turnovers or bad plays.

    With one in the lineup, the Oil could probably weather a one goal deficit. With both in the lineup, giving up a two goal deficit makes it that much more difficult to overcome. One of the two should be dealt. Boy do I miss a Greene or Smith archtype D-man!

    And why didn't Quinn pull on Dubynk for the third? I know, it's terrible to pull a goalie in his first ever NHL game, and you want to see what he's got. And yes, the D didn't do him any favors.

    But after the Blues got a two goal lead, I was thinking…it's deju vu again. Perhaps if they switch goalies, it would had changed the momentum and avoided another game where the Oil gives up 4 unanswered goals. Instead, they gave up 5.

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      Will Fraser on the Team brought up a good point on last night's post game. The Oil cannot afford the inconsistency of both Gilbert and/or Grebeshkov. Both of whom seems to cause the team a goal a game because of turnovers or bad plays

      It's funny that he points out Grebs and Gilbert, but yet Souray and Lubo do the samething and don't get noticed.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      I'd say the road wins were more lucky bounces and big efforts by 1/2 players.

      The four loses have no more to do with Grebs then the 7-0-2 (or whatever it was) had to do with Stone.

  • I'm a Scientist!

    *picks up the phone and dials the number for the vet*

    Oh, hello Dr. Johnson… yes, i am afraid it is just getting too difficult. Our dog 'theoilers' is not doing well at all…mmhmm…yup…yeah, he is looking sick and slow…yup…limping and broken parts…yup….Oh yeah we had that minor surgery in the summer, but i have a feeling you replaced the old parts with more old parts… mmmhmm, already broken…Doc, i hate to say this, i REALLY hate to say this, but it is just getting too difficult to watch. He can't even play anymore. I think…*sigh*…that it might finally be time to…*deep breath*… put him down…*sniffle*.

    *bites his bottom lip to keep it from quivering*

    Oh Doc, one more thing… how long after putting 'theoilers' down should i wait before i get a new pup? I already have a name picked out…'Taylor'

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    I think this story represents the sentiments of most posters to Oilers Nation and, indeed, Oiler fans in general. Frustration and anger have been replaced by resignation and cynicism as to another in a long line of lost seasons. Let's hope that senior people in the Katz organization are paying attention to the inadequacy of the hockey operations management and eventually act accordingly by replacing them.

    When Katz was in the process of acquiring ownership of the Oilers, I recommended in a post that he should seek help outside the organization from someone like Scotty Bowman in assessing the quality of the hockey operations management. Unfortunately, it appears this didn't occur.

    • BarryS

      As I recall, Bowman, for sure, turned down any question of going anywhere other than to work with his son. People such as Bowman are rarer than 100 goal scorers anyway.

      As for the supposed inadequacy of the organization, where is your proof anybody, and I mean anybody, can circumvent the reputation this city has for being cold, extreme naval gazing, and the cynical fans and media conspiring to run anybody they don't like out of town?

      Can't remember after Gretz, the last player who caused widespread upset when the team sent him out of town in exchange for someone else. It makes me sick at the fans now wishing we had traded players back when they were lined up to help them pack the day the original trade was announced.

  • I never thought this day would come, but the day where I've completely stopped giving a s**t about this team has finally arrived.

    The players on the ice clearly don't care.

    The clownshoes in the front office either don't have a clue how to run a team properly or else their main priority is getting a new arena built so a few rich white guys can get richer and so they're content to ignore the on-ice product while their ulterior motives get satisfied.

    Pat Quinn seems to be the only guy involved with the entire damn organization who seems to give a rat's ass about what happens here anymore, and I'm surprised he hasn't trashed Tambo's office and given him a big "f**k you" resignation letter yet. I know I would have.

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    Jonathan, getting to hang out with you for the evening was the highlight of my night too. I was glad we were able to get some smiles in.

    Like I said, perhaps the Christmas shopping rush had the players distracted to the extent we saw last night. It can be stressful wondering what to get your mother in law right?

  • Until Oilers change upper management – namely Tambellini and Lowe – we will continue to dwell in the abyss of the league . Both put us in this mess and both have no clue how to get us out of it . They can't trade even contract for contract , nor lure players here because they have no idea how to get out of financial and contract numbers bind . Their options are limited because Tams and Lowe's abilities are also suspect and limited . Change will come when the two of them are gone , and very unlikely if they are kept on – the sooner the better !!

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      You know when Lowe handed over the team to Tambs it was a young, exciting team that finished just outside of the PO, he also moved malcontent Pitkanen for proven power forward Erik Cole, supposed cancer Raffi Torres for one of the few bright spots (Brule) and turned a 3rd line center and a stay at home dman into a top 15 dman in the leauge, before passing him the batton.

  • Milli

    That's my last night I'll waste this year. Thank god for the world juniors and the olympics. This team, actually, this organization is a disaster. JW, you are bang on, we have mgmt that will not address the areas we need help, cause last time I checked, it ain't scoring. Last year, this year, it's the PK. It defensive play. It ain't Heatly, man I was pissed at him, but watching lastnight, I couldn't help but think, who'd wanna go to Edmonton, and not cuz it's minus 44, cuz the organization STINKS. I know when the canucks and flames fans come in and don't even bother to throw digs anymore, we've become a joke. I got 1 game left on my mini pack, probably won't be there. Next year, no damn way I waste the money.

  • BarryS

    Food for thought:

    Anyone wonder if the vets on this team think they are irreplaceable because no one else will play here? See, Pronger, Cole, Heatley, etc. etc. Can the "sense of entitlement" stem from the belief "we" owe them because they will play here when so many others will not. Cap or no cap, it sure seems to me we have a lot of self satisfied players here.

    The major down side to the Heatley non-signing, in my opinion, was it confirmed to the vets they were irreplaceable. Given this, for all we crapped on Penner last year, this year, at least, he has so far gone against the I'm safe, I don't need to put out attitude.

    Given the nature of how talent works, it is just possible the Captain has had a classic Dave Dryden pulled on him. As I recall, one spring DD looked like our goalie for several years to come, only to come to camp unable to make the team, not through laziness or lack of work, just his mind/body decided it had had enough and he was done, no matter what his conscious mind told him.

    • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

      Don't guys like Horcoff, Moreau, Staios, Pisani live here year round? Might be a little different then a guy like Heatley who spends his summers in BC.

      • BarryS

        Pisani, I think was born here, the others like the city, lots of players live here off season, choose to play somewhere else, just like players from small towns who play in the US choose to return home during the summer.

        Dosen't alter the fact, if you think no one better than you will come to replace you, human nature says you will be inclined to take something off your game. No competetion for jobs, means no need to play full out every game, and Cap room doesn't even enter the picture, since if no one will take your coin, having coin makes no difference.

        • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

          Thing is those guys are easily replaceable, well except Horcoff. Those guys live and breathe Edmonton. Maybe moving one shows the others that we are willing to break up a core of players. I know that all 4 really do a lot of charity work, but is charity work the reason we keep them around?

          • BarryS

            I agree, talent wise, but the problem is getting someone, anyone, who will come back. Comrie proves the rule, he came back, but only for a year, mind you, but no one else did.

            There is no one over 25, save maybe Horcoff, I would make untouchable, but wanting to trade them and having takers is another thing. And yes, I do think they all have some value on the trade market at some time this year, but life is not a hockey pool, real players are involved and they have a big say in where they will go. So no, in real live human beings they are not easily replaceable, since their replacements have wives, girl friends (both?) families, desires, and on and on which make it not so easy.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            Staios, Moreau and Pisani have no say where they go. This is a business and it is time that management starts thinking like this. Why would we want these guys back anyways they are at the end of their careers?

          • BarryS

            Wish I could believe you, but if they let the other team know they're not coming, why would anybody trade for them. Not saying they would, only saying they have that power and always have had. Nobody trades for someone who doesn't want to come, especially at playoff time.

          • BarryS

            The fact is, most players are felt out about coming during the trade process. Seems to me we hear of many trades, not just involving Edmonton, falling through at the last moment. You don't think player unwillingness might not be part of the last moment fall through? I expect every GM, even ours, knows which players will concent to come, before the trade is finalized.

            The Oilers were blindsided in the Heatley deal, once it was out, it was impossible not to continue on until Heately finally publically nay sayed it.

          • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

            I don't think this happens as much as you are saying it does. You have no backing what so ever for this comment. What trades are falling through? The ones rumored by Eklund and CBC hotstove?

  • On the topic of Moreau, I haven't been one to defend him in the last two years (he's gone downhill due to injuries), but I wasn't at all upset by the hooliganry. I was just happy that someone showed some emotion. I'd rather see him being chippy/dirty than the team just taking their lumps and not caring. Just my 2 cents on that.

    Btw, someone at my work recently got our whole company banned because of his stupidity. "JB", stop being a trolling douchebag so the rest of us can enjoy the site still. Given the organization you work in, I would think you'd be a bit more respectful than that.

  • Original Ogden Brother wrote:

    Bingo, one day we are complaining the team shows no emotion and lets itself get pushed around, the next day we are complaining when we push back. A play like that happens every night somwhere in the NHL.

    Frustration from another lose + Player no one likes anyways doing something questionable = blown out of proportion.

    I complain when other teams do it, too. I've got no problem with sending a message through physical play, but the way to do that is to throw a clean hit – like Oshie did last night, or like Moreau did on Dustin Brown in L.A. I've got all day for that kind of stuff.

    Tripping a guy, coming up from behind him and cross-checking him in the neck isn't pushing back. It's not a hockey play. It's brainless, it's gutless, and it's not a play I ever want to see from either team.

  • @ Ogden Brother:

    I don't know how a guy can go out there, get angry because he was hit and take a stupid penalty and have people mistake it for leadership.

    It was a selfish, undisciplined play. Selfish, undisciplined plays are part of the problem, not the solution.

    • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

      i dont see how you fault a guy for losing it after he got hammered with 5 minutes left in a 6-2 game.

      1)oshie had to know something would happen, everyone who has ever played the game at any level knows what happens when the score gets out of hand.

      2) quinn put moreau back out after the stupid penalty. ~~you would think a guy with like 50 years experience would know that moreau was going to go out and run someone and pick a fight~~

      if its a 1 goal game, then yes, selfish etc etc etc etc. but a 6-2 game and he gets his bell rung?

      have you played the game before?

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      I didn't say anything about leadership, I said emotion.

      Theirs retaliation to clean hits every night, except the retaliation is usually done by someone else, in this case the hittee retaliated for himself.

  • @cableguy:

    I'm not saying Moreau wasn't aggravated. Turgeon aggravated Dale Hunter, but that didn't make Hunter's decision to attack him right.

    It was a selfish play. It wasn't leadership.

    But go ahead, blame the guy who threw the clean hit.

  • Just out of curiosity – if Moreau had injured Oshie, what would this conversation be like now?

    Or, let's say that the Oilers were leading a game 6-2, and Gilbert Brule threw a hit like Oshie did last night. We know he would; he's not the type to let up and we wouldn't want him to.

    What would we be saying if he got injured on a crosscheck after a clean hit?

    "Well, the game was out of reach, he should have known better than to throw a clean hit when the other team was feeling so sad. He brought it on himself."

    Apparently.

  • BarryS

    Jonathon Willis

    So from your article I take it you finally admit your just a small town guy with small town attitudes? It's nice to have opinions and to live in a country where you are free (well as free as the liable laws let you be, to express them, but to be all upset because no one in authority will listen is a little much.

    How much confidence you or I have in the management is totally meaningless in the grand scheme of things, we don't own the team, we watch them. Small towners think they own the team by right of it being in their town, but get real, us thinking this is a big town when really it is a small town in terms of peoples attitudes is a big part of the problem.

    Guess, what, if you had the talent, I'm using the literay you, not the personaly you, to ply your trade anywhwere what's the chance you would chose to ply it in a place where everybody looks over your shoulder and constantly tries to tell you how to do your job? And worse, thinks it is their right to do so, on blogs, in restaurants, at theatres, (witness report on this blog, Hemsky seen at theatre when not playing due to injury, (before his operation), and derogatory comments made.

    Nothing says small town like poking your nose in others peoples personal lives, not talking Tiger Wood's here, and passing comments on it.

    Only point is, small towns get small town teams, big towns get big town teams. What sort of team have we has since lightning struck once in the eighties? A small town team supported(?) by small town whiners.

  • @ cableguy:

    oshie had to know something would happen, everyone who has ever played the game at any level knows what happens when the score gets out of hand

    Maybe we have a different idea of what "blame" means, but I took that sentence to mean you figured Oshie brought it on himself.

    If you meant something different, I apologize for misunderstanding your statement.

    • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

      oshie didnt help the situation at all. i dont "blame" oshie, but he knew exactly what was going to happen.

      no different that if it was brule rolling someone with a 6-2 lead. clean hit or not, something will happen after. it happens in every game, clean hit=fight.

      whether it is right or not is a totally different debate. obviously, nobody wants to condone violence.

      but, boys/men playing sport tend to do things they shouldnt when they get mad. it has happened since the dawn of time.

      i think we are on the same page, i dont agree with what moreau did, but i totally 100% see why he did it.

      it is kinda sad that we have to resort to picking apart this, rather than the team itself that sh*t all over itself again

      • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

        This is what I am trying to get accross as well, the level of violence in the NHL is (debatably) to high, but what we seen last night wraps up within that.

        Was it wrong? Sure, but so are a dozen other plays every night.

  • BarryS:

    I'm not actually sure what your point was. Are you blaming me for the general attitude of the Oilers' fanbase? Are you blaming that attitude for the failures of the team?

    And the idea that it only happens in small towns is asinine. Check out the rumours surrounding the Flyers right now – it's the same crap we see in Edmonton, but it's in Philly. Fanbases are the same everywhere – they always poke their nose into player's business.

    Of course, as a regular reader you'll note I don't post that stuff – if something shows up in a reputable publication, I'll comment on it, but otherwise it's unsubstantiated gossip, and I won't.

    As for my opinion, I don't care that Tambellini and Co. aren't listening. They aren't my audience. But the fact that they failed to address problems that even an amateur like me spotted does bother me. The inability to fix the PK, or bring in a defensive forward, continues to boggle the mind. But it doesn't bother me because they didn't take my advice; it bothers me because it shows that the men running my chosen team lack competence.

    • BarryS

      Just my opinion Jonathan, my take on Tambellini not bring in a defensive forward is that management fell into the same trap that many management groups do, which is to overestimate the talents of the players you have in-house.

      It seems much more logical to me to believe that they looked at players like Pisani, Pouliot, Brule, Cogliano and Moreau, and think that these players would either bounce back from below average seasons or grow into more prominent roles on the team, than to think that Tambellini would be 100% ignorant of the issue.

      Of course, we've seen what has transpired – Pisani and Pouliot have been injured longterm, Cogliano still can't take a faceoff and is playing like he still hasn't gotten over being part of Heatleygate, Brule is still an adventure in his own end of the rink regardless of how improved his confidence is in the offensive side of things, and Moreau has gotten older and not at all better. 5 players they were likely counting on to either improve or return to form, and not one of those bets panned out.

    • BarryS

      First things first, this was not intended to be a personal attack and I apologize if it read that way.

      The matter of getting players to fix spots is more complex than you seem to think it is. The first and foremost problem is geographically, Edmonton is a long way from anywhere. Think about it, would you sign with a team you will spend half the winter on the road with? Would you not wait, or even consider retiring if near the end of your career, before signing someplace where you are either packing to travel, traveling, or unpacking from travel?

      In the sports world, Edmonton is a hardship post, taken for the money and no other opportunity and nothing else. We know better, living here, but try and tell that to some player who plays us here only once a year or so and that in Dec to Feb. Try to tell his wife, who sees it only on pictures of blizzards or 40 below days on the TV. Even Denver is an airline hub and it's therefore not as isolated seeming as Edmonton.

      Philly is a good example, players in Philly have long road trips, what one seven or eight day trip a year? Mostly they play somewhere else, they leave the morning of the game, come back after the game, some hardship. I also doubt their fans post player siting reports on the web.

      Philly is an even better example, Philly is so close to so many other places you could even live in another state and still make all your games and practices. In Edmonton, you live where? That's right Edmonton. Sorry St. Albert, Sherwood Park, et al, you're still Edmonton, no matter what your local politico's try to claim.

      It's a fact Sheldon Souray sees his kids in LA only marginally less than players with kids in Edmonton see their's, his ex's wishes not withstanding. Until teleportation becomes a reality, this will always be the case.

      Even taking a chance on the Islanders is a lot less of a chance and family disruption for players in the East than taking a chance on Edmonton. Fact.

      Until this city can get itself together and make something of itself again, are you listening politicians, voters, taxpayers, rich quys who would rather invest in Phoenix or California, than Edmonton, the team will never be anything but a marginal team, with marginal players, in a marginal market.

      This is not a vailed request for a New Arena, though I support the concept, I am unlikely ever to be in it, seeing as I haven't been in the Rexall since it was named Rexall, but rather a observation nobody seems to want to help pay for things which make the city better for everyone. Are you listening opponents to the expanded LRT? Opponents to building the new Museum in its present location, to the new Art Gallery, to fixing the city subdivision by subdivison, after their's was fixed, of course. Even complaing the streets are snowplowed to much. Good thing I live on a school bus route, or I'd be housebound already.

      You get in proportion to what you pay, and the city as a whole seems unprepared to pay for anything.

  • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

    @ Barry S

    In a long winded kind of way, I think what you are trying to get across is that the team is at a competitive disadvantage to the majority of the leauge, and this I would agree with.

    It should be pretty clear by now that even though the "no one wants to come here" crap is blown out of proportion that of 30 possible destinations, Edmonton is in the bottom 25% for desirability (at best).

    A 52 million dollar performance is likely going to cost 57 million here.

  • Muji 狗

    Moreau was selfish and stupid. It was a douchebag trip/crosscheck and not something I want to see from the team that I'm cheering for (and yes, I'm still cheering for them because they're the Oilers).

    I wouldn't want the Oilers to mail it in if we were leading 6-2 so why should Oshie and Blues? Good on them for continuing to play hard (on the 2nd half of a back-to-back mind you).

  • Muji 狗

    Edmonton is undesirable (hell, I moved to Vancouver), but a winning team (i.e. winning culture, good management, etc.) would do wonders. Detroit is a 3rd world nation and players take hometown discounts to play there. The city doesn't matter; the organization does.

    Plus, some players like playing in a place where there are so many passionate hockey fans.

    • OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

      People always go to the extreme, Sure Detroit A power house for years and years. Great, now we just need to be a top 4/5 team for 10 years and players will come.

      Realistically though, if the team finished 5th/3rd/6th/2nd since the lockout are we all of a sudden a hot spot for players? Doubtful.

      Also, we keep hearing about discounts in Det.

      Hossa took less term but he was a top 10 paid player last year (roughly) he's good but he's not top 10.

      Lidstrom has been great, but he's not the best anymore…yet he's payed like it.

      Datsyuk for 6.7 in the spring of 07, I can't find player rankings for the time, but I'd bet he'd be top 10/15 for salary.

      Rafalski took 6, excellent player but hardly a discount.

      Zetts got a cap cheating deal, but he's actually making 7.75 million. Hardly a discount.

      Cleary is making 3 million

      Stuart/Kronwall are 3.75 and 3.25. Decent but not a discount considering when they were signed.

      Franzen is gettin 5.5 for one and a half good years.

      Hell, the Oilers were a game away from winning the cup and we then seen the biggest exodus since the 80's.

    • Oilman

      You're either the BIG star or BiG loser if you play in cities like Edmonton and Montreal.

      I would play anywhere they would pay me period and make the best of it.

  • Eddie Shore

    Quinn came pretty close to dropping an F-bomb (Brownlee –> that means f*ck) in his post game comments last night. I bet we hear one before the season is over.