Gagner traded to Tampa Bay

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Sam Gagner is no longer a member of the Edmonton Oilers. Gagner was dealt to Tampa Bay for Teddy Purcell. ***Update. Tampa just traded him to Arizona.**

Gagner has two years left on a deal that pays him $4.8 million/year. 

Purcell has two years left on his $4.5 million/year cap hit.

Gagner has played 481 games and scored 101-194-295.

Purcell has played 401 games and tallied 75-153-228.

Purcell is four years older, however, he has produced 51 and 65 point seasons.

Craig MacTavish had mentioned numerous times over the past few weeks that the Oilers planned on using Gagner on the wing next season, so trading him for a winger suggests they’d didn’t want to wait and see how Gagner would adapt moving to the wing.

Purcell has a bigger frame, but don’t expect him to be play with an edge. He is not a physical player, but he is much better defensively than Gagner.

Purcell was 2nd best on the Lightning last season with a  53% CF, but I don’t see him as a guy who will face the tough minutes on a nightly basis. 

To me this trade signifies the Oilers didn’t want to wait and see if Gagner could take the next step in his development. 

It is an interesting trade from Tampa Bay’s perspective. They add a younger player, but Gagner hasn’t produced more recently and they don’t need him to play centre. Purcell is a big body and better possession player, so part of me wonders if they make another move. They could buy out Gagner at 1/3 of his contract if they wanted to. It looks like they need to clear some cap space.

***EDIT…Turns out they did make another move. They just traded Gagner and BJ Crombeen to the Arizona Coyotes for a draft pick according to Bob McKenzie**

Regardless of what the Lightning do, the Oilers have added an older player, who is a better possession player, but don’t expect him to me more than a complementary player in Edmonton. That is fine, because teams need solid complementary players to win, but people shouldn’t expect Purcell to be an offensive leader.

WRAP UP

I always enjoyed dealing with Gagner. The past few seasons weren’t easy for him. He was aware of how he was perceived by some fans, and he understood their disappointment. Gagner was always a professional and he never hid from the media, unlike some other players.

I have a lot of respect for Gagner, and I hope a change of address gives his career a jumpstart. While he didn’t produce as much as he or the fans wanted, he always cared. The losing bothered him, and this year was the more frustrating of his career.

Good luck Sam.

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  • SLURVE

    Trade seems like a moderate win-win for everybody; Oilers get a bigger body for the same money, TB saves money, and Arizona gets a much-needed center.

    But I’m still looking at our center depth and hoping MacT still has a plan up his sleeve. A top 4 of RNH, Draisaitl, Arcobello and Gordon does not give me confidence going into next year. In a perfect world Draisaitl would be back in junior and Arcobello would be competing for that 3rd line center spot. We still need a top 6 center.

  • interesting.
    Saw Sam good, amazing and pathetic…..sometimes in the same shift.

    Im gonna miss his cellys. They were always fun.

    I wish him well in the desert with one of the leagues best coaches. Should be an interesting project for Tip.

    As an aside….. I sure wish Kassian had nutted up and dropped the flippers with Gazdic. But alas….. kassian…

  • Spydyr

    My God people.

    Players change in value thats is a given.To even think I am suggesting otherwise is asinine.

    What I am comparing is the cost of a player(his draft position)to the return(what you get back for the player).

    If you continue to trade 6th overall picks for undrafted players you will lose.

    If you hit home runs in later rounds of the draft you will win.

    The Oilers do the former.They are eight going on nine years out of the playoffs.The Red Wings do the later they have been in the playoffs for twenty three years.

    Why is this so hard to comprehend?

    • Zarny

      The problem with your argument is you assume players drafted 6th overall always have more value than an undrafted player which simply is not true.

      If you trade a player drafted 6th overall 7 years after being drafted for an undrafted player who has progressed more and become the better player you win…full stop.

      Where a player like Gagner was drafted in relation to Purcell is completely irrelevant 7 years after the fact. The only value that matters is what they have done on the ice recently.

      The Red Wings also haven’t hit a home run in the late rounds since they drafted Zetterberg in the 1999. That’s 15 years ago. The best player on their roster since 2004 is Darren Helm which is why they’ve slipped from being perennial Stanley Cup contenders to simply trying to make the playoffs.

    • OldSchool

      Once the player is drafted, he has no “cost”

      It’s like money already spent.

      Therefore it doesn’t matter what number the player was drafted at. Ever again, ever.

      This is why people are trying to tell you over and over that they’ll trade you 6th overall Gagner’s for whatever over all Datsyuk’s all day, every day.

      • Spydyr

        Of course you would trade Gagner for Datsyuk.That is my entire argument.

        The Oilers are trading an asset they spent a high first round pick on.The Wings an asset they spent a 6th round pick on.

        The Oilers asset has depreciated in value the Wings has risen in value.

        If you do this over and over guess what team always makes the playoffs and what team never does.

        • OldSchool

          I get what you’re trying to say.

          What i’m trying to say is the asset is the player; the asset is not the spent pick

          that’s right, I just used a semi-colon

    • Jofa

      I’m gonna dumb this waaaayyyy down for you.

      You

      is

      wrong!

      Drafting at any position is a gamble. 1st to 210. The odds improve the higher you draft. The intangibles are hard to quantify. The player you draft today may raise, and it may fall. On a long enough time line the value of every player falls to Zero. It’s not a linear climb, or desent.

      You can not predict injuries. You can not predict mental illness, or substance abuse. Confidence levels rise and fall.

      As long as we are drafting humans, and not buying investments. YOU, are going to be wrong. These are not machines. They are organic and forever changing

      that is why 30 teams, and thousands of scouts can get it wrong.

  • Visually McDavid

    No Penner. No Horcoff. No Hemsky. Now no Gagner? Where is everyone supposed to direct their pitchforks?

    At 6 million dollars a year all of you Eberle fans best be prepared because the malcontents will be coming for your boy.

    I’ll get things started:

    Eberle’s so soft, he’d get beat up at a Bronies convention.

    Eberle’s so small Kate Moss told him “Nothing tastes as good as skinny feel- Damn, you’re a hockey player, would you eat a sandwich or something?”

    Eberle’s so lazy he said “I was going to get the puck, but it was way over there.”

    As a Hemsky fan I will offer you this bit of advice – you will read inane, unfair, ridiculous comments about Eberle on this site and others like it and you will become enraged. However, when punching yourself in the face out of frustration try to avoid the eye, you can do real damage.

  • billythebullet

    Still seems like a lot of people on this thread don’t follow Spyder’s logic. So let’s review Gregor’s thread from June 18th, “What is the Value of a Draft Pick?”

    By the NFL chart:

    Oiler’s number #10 (1300 pts) – MP
    Oiler’s number #33 ( 580 pts) – what became Barbashev

    Blues’ number #26 (700 pts) – Perron

    Blues grew 700 points into a combined value 1800 points that Oilers had to play with on draft day.

    Of course Spyder is correct when considering historical progress of opening valuations, that the Blues capitalized and Oilers stock dropped.

    The critique’s of Spyder are trying to measure current value, or project valuation. Yup, two different things and as was mentioned difficult to correlate these two mappings.

    But, things are actually worse for Oilers by current valuation for a couple reasons. Perron’s contract is not secured after three years, UFA 2016. It is most likely that Perron is hovering around peak valuation when Oilers grabbed him, and MP and Barbashev, while under secured contracts, have more potential headroom. Maybe MP is a write-off and then MacT will have won the trade, but Barbashev could reverse for future valuation — for those enamoured with current and future valuation.

    And I add to Spyder’s comment, that current valuation, Gagner, for salary of $3 million means that at this stage Arizona has leg up on potential based on hit to salary cap with this trade. Assume Crombeen and sixth is a wash.

    Oiler’s still are not managing for the protection of assest valuation over time. It would be one thing if you were Anaheim and you lost the valuation on Kessler trade for purposes of pushing over the top, but we are at bottom and not even pushing for playoffs. This thing has to grow from bottom up.