Dare to Dream, Oilersnation

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Jason Gregor
3 years ago
I’m a glass half full type of person. I rarely look at “what ifs,” as most come with a negative connotation, and my late father once told me, “Focus on what you can control. We don’t worry if a cow will shit on their hay, even though we want them to shit in their straw.” It is funny what you remember from your teenage years.
I’ll give a point of reference for my non-farming readers. When you put pigs in a pen, they do not go to the washroom on their hay/food. They will go elsewhere. They are quite clean, despite being called pigs, but put cows or horses in a pen and they relieve themselves anywhere in the pen. However, when you have pigs outside, they will eat all the grass, then root in the dirt and that’s why they are open portrayed as dirty. The also don’t regulate their body temperature by sweating, so they must be provided with water or mud to control their body temperature. It is why if you see outdoor pigs they are often covered in mud.
Now that you’ve learned a bit more about pigs and cows, or possibly more than you wanted to visualize, let’s get back on track.
As I noted, I prefer to look for the positive in situations, however, when it comes to projecting NHL prospects I prefer a cautious/realistic approach instead of overhyping a player. Expectations are difficult to achieve, especially when we get too excited about a player’s potential. But sometimes it is okay to think about a best-case scenario.
It is apparent the Oilers need a legitimate goal scorer to play with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl. Ideally, the Oilers will develop two scoring wingers in the future, as acquiring one often costs a lot.
Maybe @Kailer Yamamoto or @Jesse Puljujarvi will be that player, this season or next. We’ll see, but even if they do, the Oilers will need a few more proven goal scorers in the future. The best bets in the organization right now are probably Raphael Lavoie, Dylan Holloway and Carter Savoie. Lavoie is playing for Vasby in the Allsvenskan Division II in Sweden. He has 11-6-17 in 23 games, leads his team in scoring and is tied for third in the league in goals. Holloway scored two goals in two games with Wisconsin before coming to Red Deer for Canada’s World Junior team tryouts. He was named to the 25-man roster earlier today.
Meanwhile, Savoie is on fire in his first season at Denver College. He has 6-2-8 in five games and is tied with four other skaters for the most goals in the NCAA. Savoie has made the jump from the Alberta Junior Hockey League to NCAA look easy. It helps that his Sherwood Park Crusaders teammate, and best friend, Mike Benning is in Denver with him and having the same early success. Benning leads the entire Nation in scoring by a defenceman with seven points.
Savoie’s start has Oilersnation excited. Now more than ever you need something to get you excited, and while it is extremely early, Savoie’s performance has had many texting my show asking how good could Savoie be. It is a great question, but one that is extremely difficult to answer accurately. Savoie has always been a goal scorer dating back to U15 (then Bantam). If a player isn’t a consistent goal scorer in minor hockey, it is extremely rare he becomes more proficient at scoring at higher levels.
As a 16-year-old rookie in the AJHL, he scored 31 goals and 73 points with the Crusaders. Last season he tallied 53 goals and 99 points in 54 games. He knows how to score, and in Denver, he’s been placed on the first unit PP as a freshman,  and he’s tallied four PP goals in five games. He won’t be a goal-a-game scorer in the NHL, because no one is, but could he become a 20-30 goal-man in a few years?
That would be ideal, especially when you consider Edmonton drafted him in the fourth round, 100th overall, this past October.
Comparing players accurately is difficult, because many factors are never the same, so instead of just looking at AJHL players or NCAA players I wanted to see how many forwards drafted in the fourth round make the NHL.
The style of game has changed over the years, so I looked at the 2005-2019 draft classes for what I thought would give us a more realistic look at fourth round success. I only included forwards who have played at least 200 NHL games. I also included players who will play their 200th game this season. And I also wanted to show the 2016-2019 picks, to illustrate how Savoie likely won’t be in Edmonton for a few more seasons at least.
2005Pick #GPG-A-PTS2006 Pick #GPG-A-PTS
Chris VandeVelde9727818-30-48Matt Beleskey11247776-82-158
Jared Boll10157928-38-66
Vladimir Sobotka10654853-118-171
Tom Pyatt10744543-58-101
2007Pick #GPG-A-PTS2008Pick #GPG-A-PTS
Dwight King10936553-56-109Dale Weise11151355-70-125
Colton Sceviour11245459-82-141Derek Grant11926431-39-70
Matt Halischuk11728033-42-75Gustav Nyquist121570146-202-348
2009Pick #GPG-A-PTS2010Pick #GPG-A-PTS
Casey Cizikas9253474-97-171Joonas Donskoi9934861-94-155
Craig Smith98661162-168-330Marcus Sorensen10619730-29-59
Markus Foligno10456575-108-183Tom Kuhnhackl11023218-36-54
2011Pick #GPG-A-PTS2012Pick #GPG-A-PTS
Jean-Gabriel Pageau9643589-95-184Josh Anderson9526765-50-115
Johnny Gaudreau104464151-294-445Cedric Paquette10137747-38-85
Tobias Rieder11443459-79-138Andreas Athanasiou11030384-72-156
2013Pick #GPG-A-PTS2014Pick #GPG-A-PTS
Miles Wood10026848-48-96Lucas Wallmark9716723-33-56
Andrew Copp10435646-64-110Viktor Arviddson112335117-97-214
Tyler Motte12118722-16-38Danton Heinen11622937-70-107
2015Pick #GPG-A-PTS2016Pick #GPG-A-PTS
Austin Wagner9912718-14-32Noah Gregor111283-2-5
Denis Malgin10219238-32-60Connor Bunnaman109211-1-2
2017Pick #GPG-A-PTS2018None yet
Emil Bembstrom1175610-10-202019None yet
Drake Batherson121436-13-19
Basically, we have seen an average of three NHL forwards emerge from the fourth round between 2005-2015. It is too early to say how many will emerge from the 2016-2019 draft classes.
Johnny Gaudreau has been the most prolific by far, while Gustav Nyqvist, Viktor Arviddson, Craig Smith, Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Josh Anderson and Andreas Athanasiou have all had 20-goal seasons. The fourth round has produced some solid players over the past 15 years, so why couldn’t Savoie continue that trend?
Oilers GM Ken Holland will not rush him. I’d expect Savoie to play three seasons at Denver, possibly all four, while allowing him to get stronger, faster and to maintain his offensive confidence.
Winning teams need to develop mid-round picks, and the Oilers are due to have a forward emerge from later in the draft.
@Tobias Rieder was a solid fourth round pick in 2011. He’s actually played more NHL games (434) than @Oscar Klefbom, who was taken the same year. Klefbom is a better player, but Rieder was a solid pick. Chris VandeVelde was selected 97th overall in 2005 and carved out a 278-game NHL career, while the best fourth round or later pick by the Oilers in the 2000s was Kyle Brodziak in 2003. He was taken 214th overall, but ended up playing 917 NHL games.
The Oilers drafting had a good run of mid-to-late round picks between 1996-1999.
Fernando Pisani was taken 195th in 1996 and played 462 games.
Jason Chimera was taken 121st in 1997 and skated in 1,107 games.
Shawn Horcoff was selected 99th overall in 1998 and played 1,008 games.
Mike Comrie was the 91st pick in 1999 and played 589 games.
The problem for the Oilers was the only other players to become regular NHLers those years were Boyd Devereaux (sixth overall, 1996) and Tom Poti (59th in 1996).
The good news for the Oilers, is drafting across the NHL has improved the past decade. We don’t see as many major misses in the first round mainly because teams have more scouts and more video to watch than they did in the 1980s and 1990s.
There is a very good chance Dylan Holloway plays in the NHL. How good he becomes is still undecided, and if Savoie continues to develop the Oilers 2020 draft will look very good in a few years.
In a glass half full scenario, their roster in 2023 or 2024 could have a middle round drafted forward producing on their team. That hasn’t happened since Comrie was selected in 1999.
And Comrie, like Savoie, lit up the AJHL, as a 17 year old when he scored 60 goals in 58 games. Savoie scored 53 in 54 games.
Dare to dream, Oilersnation, dare to dream.


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Day Nine: Pyramid of Giving
Today we will build a pyramid of giving to help the Christmas Bureau. It is a simple donation.
We will have 15 people donate $100
Eight people will donate $200.
Four people will donate $500
And two people, or companies, will donate $1000.
And we will raise $7,100 for the Christmas Bureau. (Tax receipt included).

It goes from 2-6 p.m on TSN 1260. You can text the show between 2-6 p.m. at 101260 and include your name and donation
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