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Size Up The Middle: Can Nugent-Hopkins, Gagner Co-Exist?

Jonathan Willis
12 years ago
The Edmonton Oilers are blessed with two young centres who are bona fide NHL players in the here and now, and who are only likely to get better with the passing of time. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, the first overall pick in 2011, and Sam Gagner, the sixth overall pick in 2007, are both excellent NHL talents and both fit nicely into the age group of the young forward corps the Oilers have assembled.
Unfortunately, neither stands 6’4” and weighs north of 200 pounds. Do the Oilers need to dump one of the two in exchange for an upgrade in size down the middle?
To answer that question, I decided to go back through all the teams to play in the Stanley Cup Finals since the NHL lockout, and check the size of their top three centres. These centres were then ranked by total ice-time and designated first, second or third line. Here’s the list:
TeamSeasonFirst LineHeightWeightSecond LineHeightWeightThird LineHeightWeightAvg. HeightAvg. Weight
Boston2010-11David Krejci72188Patrice Bergeron74194Chris Kelly7219873193
Vancouver2010-11Ryan Kesler74202Henrik Sedin74188Maxim Lapierre7420774199
Chicago2009-10Jonathan Toews74208Dave Bolland72184Patrick Sharp7319973197
Philadelphia2009-10Mike Richards71199Claude Giroux71172Jeff Carter7619973190
Pittsburgh2008-09Evgeni Malkin75195Sidney Crosby71200Jordan Staal7622074205
Detroit2008-09Henrik Zetterberg71197Pavel Datsyuk71198Valtteri Filppula7219571197
Detroit2007-08Henrik Zetterberg71197Pavel Datsyuk71198Valtteri Filppula7219571197
Pittsburgh2007-08Evgeni Malkin75195Sidney Crosby71200Jordan Staal7622074205
Anaheim2006-07Ryan Getzlaf76221Samuel Pahlsson72202Andy McDonald7118573203
Ottawa2006-07Jason Spezza75216Mike Fisher73208Antoine Vermette7319874207
Carolina2005-06Rod Brind’Amour73205Eric Staal76205Doug Weight7120273204
Edmonton2005-06Shawn Horcoff73207Mike Peca71183Jarret Stoll7321372201
Average2005-11First Line6’1"203Second Line6’1"194Third Line6’1"2036’1"200
One point of interest before I get into the size numbers is how ice-time arranges these players. In many cases, the guy centering a team’s second scoring line finishes third in total ice-time – Mike Peca in 2006, Samuel Pahlsson in 2007 and Dave Bolland in 2010 are a few of the unlikely “second” line guys.
Getting back to the main point, the average top-nine centre on a Stanley Cup finalist over the last six seasons isn’t especially big by NHL standards: 6’1”, 200lbs. Pittsburgh’s trio is the biggest on the record here, coming in at a combined average of 6’2” and 205lbs; their opponents in Detroit are the smallest of the group at an average of 5’11”, 197lbs.
The Oilers top three centres today – Nugent-Hopkins, Gagner and Shawn Horcoff – come in at an average of 6’, 192lbs, just slightly shorter and lighter than average. Horcoff and Gagner, listed at 207 and 195 pounds respectively, are both right around the league average; the still-developing Nugent-Hopkins is definitely on the slight side, listed at just 175 pounds. He’ll put on more weight as he gets older, and the Oilers should be right around the average of our group of finalists when he does so.
Looking at the list above, I don’t see a lot of reason why the Oilers couldn’t contend down the road with both Nugent-Hopkins and Gagner on the roster. A slightly older Gagner in his prime might be a solid match for a player like Doug Weight, Andy McDonald, or Valtteri Filppula – he’d be a reasonably good fit as the centre of the secondary scoring line. If Nugent-Hopkins keeps developing as hoped, he might be able to fill the role of a Krecji or a Datsyuk/Zetterberg.
Leaving aside Detroit and Boston – teams that didn’t really have much snarl up the middle when they went to the finals – most of these teams had a hard-nosed guy to complement the two scorers. It’s the role Mike Peca in 2006, Mike Fisher in 2007, Jordan Staal in 2008 and 2009, and Dave Bolland in 2010 all played for their teams. If the Oilers hang on to both Nugent-Hopkins and Gagner, that’s the sort of player they might want to tag to replace Shawn Horcoff when the Oilers captain eventually moves down the line.
Of course, other changes may be needed. Detroit has some beefy wingers, and Boston was famous for the grit (personified by Milan Lucic) and, umm, personality (personified by Brad Marchand) on their wings last season. I’ll be doing this same comparison between Edmonton and Stanley Cup Finalists, only focused on the other forward positions, in the near future.
But for right now, I think there’s an obvious conclusion: the Oilers shouldn’t be in a rush to move Sam Gagner down the line because they’re too small up the middle. Stanley Cup history shows plainly that teams can win with two centres – and in Detroit’s case even three – of below-average NHL size.

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