What happens with #16?

There will be no debates, at least sane ones anyways, over who the Oilers select first overall at the upcoming NHL draft. They are taking Connor McDavid, but what will happen with the #16 pick?

The Oilers would love to use that pick along with a package of other players and/or draft picks to acquire a veteran NHL D-man.

How realistic is that idea?

It is hard to say because of a small sample size. I believe we can only look at deals made under the salary cap which arrived in 2005/2006.

Here are trades that involved first round picks and NHL players at the draft or days before the draft.

2014:

  • The Canucks traded Ryan Kesler and a 3rd in 2015 to the Ducks for Nick Bonino, Luka Sbisa and the #24th pick (Jared McCann) and #85th selection. The Canucks then traded the 85th pick (Keegan Iverson) to the Rangers for Derek Dorsett. Kesler had a NMC and said Anaheim was the only team he’d go to according to the Canucks.

2013:

  • Vancouver trades Cory Schneider to New Jersey for the 9th overall pick (Bo Horvat). At the time the Canucks also had Roberto Luongo in goal and felt it best to only have one proven starter.

2012:

2011:

  • Philadelphia traded Jeff Carter to Columbus for Jakub Voracek, the #8 pick (Sean Couturier) and the 68th pick (Nick Cousins). The Blue Jackets gave up a lot to get Carter and it didn’t work out. They traded Carter to LA for Jack Johnson and a pick (Marko Dano) eight months later.
  • Chicago traded Troy Brouwer to Washington for the 26th pick (Philip Danault).

2010:

  • Florida traded Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell to Boston for Dennis Wideman, a 3rd rounder in 2011 and the15th pick on June 22nd. Three days later on draft day the Panthers traded down to #19 and took Nick Bjugstad while the Kings took Derek Forbort at #15.
  • St.Louis traded David Rundblad to Ottawa for the 16th pick and took Vladimir Tarasenko. Rundblad wasn’t officially an NHL player,  he was 17th pick in 2009, so this trade doesn’t fall into my category, but I had to mention it because the Senators must have nightmares over this deal.
  • Chicago traded Dustin Byfuglien, Ben Eager, Brent Sopel and Akim Aliu to Atlanta for Marty Reasoner, Joey Crabb, Jeremy Morin, the 24th pick (Kevin Hayes) and 54th pick (Justin Holl). Hawks needed to clear cap space, but Hayes never signed with them and Holl spent his first pro year in ECHL this year after four years of college.
  • Florida traded Keith Ballard and Oreshkovich to Vancouver for Steve Bernier, Michael Grabner and the 25th pick (Quentin Howden).

2008:

  • Los Angeles, Anaheim and Calgary were involved in a three-way trade.
  • LA received the 12th pick (ANA) and CGY’s 2nd round pick.
    ANA received the 17th pick (CGY) and 28th pick (LA).
    Calgary got Mike Cammalleri.
  • Calgary traded Alex Tanguay and a 5th round pick to Montreal for the 25th pick (Greg Nemisz) and a 2nd rounder in 2009.
  • Washington traded Steve Eminger and the 84th pick to Philadelphia for the 27th pick (John Carlson). Ouch, that one has to sting Flyers fans a bit.

2007:

  • San Jose traded Vesa Toskala and Mark Bell to Toronto for the the 13th pick, the 44th pick and a 4th in 2009. The Sharks then traded the #13 pick, the #44 pick, a 3rd in 2008 to St.Louis for the #9 pick, and used it to select Logan Couture. Nice day of trading by Doug Wilson.

2006:

  • Los Angeles traded Pavol Demitra to Minnesota for Patrick O’Sullivan and the 17th pick (Trevor Lewis).
  • Washington traded Brendon Witt to Nashville for Kris Beech and 23rd pick (Semyon Varlamov).

THOUGHTS…

Winning the lottery, hiring Peter Chiarelli and a new head coach will make the Oilers a more attractive destination than ever before. Players who didn’t have the Oilers on their list of places to go, might reconsider now. Not all of them, of course, but a few would, just like Mike Babcock will look at the Oilers differently because of Connor McDavid.

I’ve read a few articles and heard people suggest the Oilers should go after Brent Seabrook. It makes sense to go after him, because he is a proven top-pairing D-man, but if I’m Chicago I’d trade Patrick Sharp before Seabrook. Some feel a package of the #16, Martin Marincin and another prospect or pick could land Seabrook.

When you look at the packages it cost to land Kesler or Carter I’d be surprised if the Hawks accepted that offer. I’d look at moving other players before Seabrook.

Chiarelli will have many teams asking about his pick, and in a deep draft it could have more value than other years. Every year the value of a pick can change depending on how badly a team wants a specific player.

I’m certain Chiarelli will talk to the Blackhawks, Rangers, Kings and other teams who are up against the cap. He will look to mirror what Garth Snow did in October when he acquired Nick Leddy and Johnny Boychuk. Snow was able to re-sign both of them to long-term deals which made those trades look even better.

However, Chiarelli also hinted he won’t rush to rebuild his team. He can be patient and draft a very good player and keep building his team. I’m sure that isn’t his first choice, but it is a pretty good fall back plan. I suspect they will use the pick, or possibly trade it up or down for other picks, but I’d be surprised if they get a top NHL D-man with the #16 as part of a trade.

Which players would you go after if you were Chiarelli, and what package would you offer to entice the opposing GM?

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    • hagar

      A player I think edm should target if it’s a defensman there after is Jacob trouba of the jets. He has size 6-2, can skate and plays a very mature game. He logged over twenty minutes of ice time this year and is a right handed shot I think. He also has some offensive abilities.

      The jets have two other RD namely big buffglien and Myers. Jets lack a game breaker wonder if yakapov would be enough.

    • hagar

      Oh sh’t!! I saw a show on tv just now called “beyond the tank”!! I couldn’t click it fast enough! I was fully expecting to see PC doing a talk show, with Mcdavid as his first guest!

    • HarryB

      I would look at Karl Alzner. He reminds me a lot of Johnny Boychuk in Boston. He just needs a little more opportunity than he has in Washington as thier forth defencemen. Might be hard because of his team friendly 2.8 mill for 2 more years. At 26 he’s ready to take a much bigger role and lead a defence like the oilers.

    • NJ

      Re: Yak in a trade for anyone. No. Just no. Yakupov is worth almost nothing right now except for the value of almost no cap cost and his potential ceiling. There is no point at all in moving him, you BUY Low and TRADE high, not vice versa. Give him a year… Or 2 … Wait until he’s scored 25+ goals.

      Case and point of the above? Eberle. He’s at his ceiling. Consistently a 60 ish point player. You know exactly what you have. I’m not saying trade him, I’m simply saying that you know what is there and he will fetch you what you want. Eberle for Seth Jones? *shrug* maybe I do that trade and maybe Nashville goes for it.

    • Mac07

      I understand the desire to get an established top pairing D Man but I don’t want the Oilers to go “whale hunting”.

      Seabrook at a reasonable price would be great but not for a drastic overpay. Chara at almost any price would be foolish. He is definitely in decline and soon will be in free fall. As good as he was, he is not any more.

      Never forget that draft picks are very valuable assets and as rosy as things look now with Nurse, Draisaitl and the potential McDavid pick, It may be a while before we have an opportunity to draft blue chip prospects.

      UFA signings and solid hockey trades should be sufficient to significantly improve the Oilers Blue Line Corps. Good Luck, for Pete’s sake and our sake too.

      • CMG30

        You and me are speaking the same language.

        We know that the odds of making the playoffs next year are slim so there’s no need to give away the future on declining players. Those types of declining players with leadership are best acquired through free agency. So fill what you can through that avenue, then when you’ve reached the limit of improvements that can be made without giving up assets that’s when you look at making the big trade.

        Think what you want about the previous regime, but there is no question that they had a major handicap in that Edmonton was almost blacklisted as a free agent destination. It was a major factor in deciding on the scorched earth approach to the infinibuild. It’s impossible to overstate how the rights to McJesus, the new arena and fresh blood in management have brightened the future of this franchise… Its a great time to be an Oiler fan!

    • pynetime

      I would argue that it would be possible to get Seabrook from the Hawks for The 16th pick, Mirincin and another piece. The Only reason Chicago would even be considering moving him would be because of salary cap reasons which could mean they’d take the better of the two offers assuming, say, they had a lesser offer on the table for Sharp. Every team in the league is aware of the cap issues in Chicago and I believe that will work against the Hawks.

    • BobbyCanuck

      A lot of us seem to be suffering from the Mactitius, a disease that effects the critical thought process, and makes a person think that any team in the league would be willing to give up actual verified top pairing D-Men or top line(s) players for any combination of:

      Schultz
      Ference
      Nikki
      Maricin
      Purcell
      Roy
      Klefbom
      Yakapov
      Draft picks
      etc….

      Tell you something, to get what we want is going to have to be to trade one or more of Hall/Eberle/Nuge

      So lets just forget about it, let PC try to hit a home run which maybe doubtful.

      Lets fix our pro/junior scouting, build what we can through the draft.

      With an actual NHL level coach, I think our players may be able to take the next step, and the dire need for a few required pieces may be mitigated.

    • pynetime

      pretty obvious we hate to wait until the drafting of #15 is completed. then the gm knows whos drafting to suit their needs and maybe offers the 16 pick with some quality prospects (laleglia, marincin,chase) and an established dman (ference, fayne or Shultz) MIGHT get you a return of a #3-4 dman.

      PC needs to draft mcdavid and then has to decide to put his foot on the accelerator or wait for the farm to grow. either trade a few future first rounders and a core guy for a superstar dman or wait to develop ours.

    • BobbyCanuck

      I understand that the Islanders had a pretty good team and season this year, but can we wait until they do it again once or twice before we’re saying “He will look to mirror what Garth Snow did…” like it’s a good thing?

    • BobbyCanuck

      I hate how people are so quick to trade Yakapov, hes more important to this team then most people think for one our top players would do anything to have more points then yak so the internal competition is high and so the more points our 2 million guy gets, the more our top guys will get.

      I think Yaks work effort and love of the game may have just rubbed off on some of our top guys this year if you ook at how the LA kings play or other top teams in the playoffs, even Calgary made with a bunch of no names, these teams overall play more like Yak then lets say a Nuge or Ebs game, heavy.

      Im thinking most of the people that want to trade Yak on this site are from other citys becuse they see the value he brings to the oilers and their scared, all im saying is keep Yak until the whole team has his work ethnic installed or burned into their brains then we could trade him, then some other team will be the benefactor of a 25 year old Yakapov now thats scary.

    • Zarny

      I am of the belief that the Oilers will keep and use the pick.I for one would like to see them go after Pavel Zacha. My wish would be to move 16/33 to move up in the draft and target either Crouse or Provorov. Crouse would look good on a line in a couple of years with Leon Draisatl. Provorov would suit me tickey boo. His game would be well suited to what McDavid will bring.
      Trading the pick? For who? Under 27 dmen who can play top 4 minutes are like unicorns.And the teams that have them do not give them up for a 16 overall pick.
      I am not of the mind that a team is going to give us any charity at the draft.They’ll be looking to stick us.Especially after PC walks up to the podium and calls Mcdavids name. There won’t be too many GM’s feeling to kindly to the Oilers on draft day.

    • The Last Big Bear

      I am amazed at the number of posters who are suggesting the Oilers go “whale hunting” this summer. If memory serves me correctly, the Oilers have not been overly successful at this and we have barely missed disaster with the Heatly/Clarkson types.

      Show a bit of patience and things will align for the Oilers.